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BDD Social and Info Booth Vs 28 - my dealer told me that this was the last time

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Hahaha good to hear Bronson! I wish I had some more benzos


I'm about to watch some breaking bad, chye chyea!
 
Wow breaking bad has some fucked up shit. I just watched jessies girl overdose in front of Walter while Walter just looked at her
 
you assholes made me pass out. i woke about an hour ago and am considerably fresh after having some dinner and coffee :) was great chatting to you all and glad to hear you enjoyed it bronson. we all had a pretty funny chat going on for a while from memory haha.

i could fall back asleep anytime i want but am going to watch the rest of lethal weapon 3 and take it easy tonight and browse BL a little in between.

catch ya'll on the flip side!
 
Yea breaking bad is boss.

I thought I would try to book an appointment with a psychiatrist to get amphetamine on prescription. Here is what happens when you are completely honest (well except for one part) for a doctors appointment regarding scheduled medication.

Me: Hi, I'd like an appointment, my name is Toz.
Old woman: Sure, what is your issue?
Me: I need amphetamine. (not the best introduction but at least it was honest, amphetamine tends to make me speak before I think)
<awkward moment of silence>
Old woman: We can't help you with that.
Me: You don't believe in the good old prescription pad?
Old woman: It's not that, we like to deal with issues in another way and you haven't even told me why you need it.
Me: Oh sorry, I have ADD and was prescribed it before but am no longer.
Old woman: Do you have journals?
Me: No, do you?
Old woman: No... wait what?
Me: on the computer, isn't it linked to a database you can access?
Old woman: Depends, what's the clinic.
Me: <mentions subutex program>
Old woman: so you have issues with substance abuse?
Me: I'd like to think I've put that behind me.
Old woman: go back to the subutex clinic if you got your medicine there before
Me: No thanks, besides my doctor has moved away.
Old woman: when was this?
Me: about a year ago
Old woman: You have been without medicine a year and now suddenly you need it?
Me: Yes
Old woman: why?
Me: watching tv does not require my full attention
<awkward moment of me chewing>
Me: look, what I meant to say is I'm unemployed
Old woman: really? <voice tone changed from grumpy to condescending>
Me: Yea, I need amphetamine so I can get some energy and get a job, so you see this is my issue
Old woman: Yea, well, we can't help you and we are closing now
Me: Yes of course you are but wait wait wait, I need to know where to turn (only select doctors in this country are licensed to write Rx for amp) in order to get what I need since I feel we are not on the same page here.
Old woman gives me a number to some ADHD treatment center and was sure to point out the waiting time for an appointment will be at least half a year

Next up: Sober, lying and decietfull approach (the one that usaully works). The high but mostly honest approach is not to be recommended when seeking narcotic medication.

Too bad, would have been nice to cut the crap for once. Oh well, in my dreams. Captain obvious is telling me to think before I speak next time.
 
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hydroazuanacaine said:
you think that makes a big difference over oral? you plug even with extended release pills?
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No, only plug with the Morphine IR

*EDIT: About to prep a .05 heroin shot to fix this dope hangover. Found 10mg of oxycodone laying around at this girl's place haha... took it. Hopefully it will help potentiate the smaller dope shot. Still got clonazepam left over too, but I'm still wobbly from last night
 
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Lol yea I know, I basically know I was fucked once I started the conversation with "I need drugs"

Arrogant, yes. But I was honest about my problem, and I do have the diagnosis and need for the medicine, I did not deserve a grumpy distrusting voice on the other end.

Though I guess I could see how I brought that upon myself.

edit after spending 20 seconds to think: yea it was totally my fault probably

edit 2: this thread isn't keeping up with me, time is against me at the moment. Everyone I know is at work mostly and both swedish forums and bl always seems kind of dead during these hours. Well, whatever, I'm having the shadow people over for dinner, they don't talk much but I do, so it's fine.
 
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It's true, and actually it's respectable that you were honest and up front. Frankly if I was a psyciatrist and a person came straight out to me that they have had a prior problem with drug abuse it wouldn't scare me from them, it would put my trust in them, and allow me to work with amphetamines and what not in a much better way. If you get a patient that lies about their past and got a script from me- it would be awful. I don't think because you've had drug problems in the past you should therefore be banned all together from "abusable" medications as in some cases they are actually very good for therapeutic use, and if a person can prove they are more responsible with their medication it's a start.
 
I get so tired of lying all the time. It feels so frustrating that I need to lie to my doctors in order for them to trust me (and often other people too). I can be a great lier when I need to, it's something I guess most junkies develop a knack for, but it's something that I would rather see not be a necessity. Unfortunately, life experience proves to me it is.

Last time I wanted help to get off heroin, I contacted the social services and told them exactly about my problem, thinking it would lead to inpatient detox or subutex maintenance. Instead they tried to use the laws of this country against me, forcing 6 months in a psychiatric clinic due to me being a danger to myself. I ended up getting no help, and having to get a lawyer and go to court to fight this insanity. I won the case, but inside I felt like I lost anyway. When all honesty did was nearly send me to prison, I could not help but think there is something seriously wrong with the world. All it did was cause me anxiety and fear of imprisonment while still having to go cold turkey from the heroin by myself. But I pulled through, no thanks to anyone else. Since that day I will always be VARY hesitant to seek help, and even more hesitant to actually be honest.

I know many people here don't call hospitals if they overdose, they don't want this crap. It's horrible from a HR view. Actually it's just fucking horrible in any point of view. I know several people who was forced into these "rehabs" then the first day they are out, they score, OD and it's goodnight for ever.

This angers me and makes me sad. Too bad politicians of this country still share the "us and them" mentailty when it comes to drug users. You don't admit you are an addict in this country, if you do, you will learn quickly why you should not have.

Yesterday I thought about the worst aspect of living in sweden. Someone asked me on aim how I liked living here. At the time I thought it was the weather, but all the snot-freezing temperature and constant darkness pales in comparison to this bullshit.
 
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I know I've experienced it first hand myself. Lying to everyone got me all the meds I wanted until I met my current psych. He listens to the truth, prescribes me what I need when I need and knows I don't abuse my amphetamines. He understands my issue with opiates and has been trying so hard to get me off them but has resorted to just giving me oxy until I taper to a dose I can use bupe with. I find it honorable and respectful of him. As I admitted my prior benzo problem too he also helped me get off it safely and efficiently and it no longer troubles me. You just have to find the right doc I guess.
 
synthetix said:
It's true, and actually it's respectable that you were honest and up front. Frankly if I was a psyciatrist and a person came straight out to me that they have had a prior problem with drug abuse it wouldn't scare me from them, it would put my trust in them, and allow me to work with amphetamines and what not in a much better way. If you get a patient that lies about their past and got a script from me- it would be awful. I don't think because you've had drug problems in the past you should therefore be banned all together from "abusable" medications as in some cases they are actually very good for therapeutic use, and if a person can prove they are more responsible with their medication it's a start.
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I totally agree with you, but here in Sweden practically no doctor or psych would agree with you (publicly anyway). It is almost fascinating that the view on drug users can be so darn old-fashioned in such a developed country as Sweden. There's no big difference between how drug addicts are treated here and how witches were treated in the medieval ages. 'cept maybe the witches were killed, here we just send the addicts to prison for years, deny them medical care and stigmatize them in society.

Telling a doctor here about any kind of drug use, even if it was just a few times during the teens, is the dumbest thing you can do if you want medical attention. It has even gone so far that patients in treatment for addiction (e.g. subutex program) who tests positive on a urine test gets kicked out from treatment! Or that people diagnosed with ADHD who also have admitted drug use are permanently cut off the stimulants. Even though the non-stimulants give no relief. I also read not long ago about a woman who turned up at the ER with extreme opiate withdrawal who got nothing but a ibuprofen and a few condesending remarks and then had to sit in the waiting room soiling herself. The lunacy bear no bounds over here it seems.

And yeah, did I mention that amphetamine medication is only RX'd on a case to case basis and a formal request needs to be filled out and send to the Swedish Medical Agency by the treating doctor with proof of that every other ADHD-medicine out there has been tested and not proven effective. All that just because of the scary name "amphetamine" and no scientific reason at all.

Atleast I hope some of the doctors over here see the lunacy going on, but they still have to play along with the charade because hefty penalties awaits the doctor who prescribes controlled substances too far over the average rate. And in socialist Sweden where people cannot think on their own is it ALWAYS the doctors fault if a patient kills himself with prescribed meds or even merely winds up addicted to them. Patients here are so dumb that it never can be their own fault if they screw up. So I don't blame the doctors. I blame the political system and the legislators.
 
Wow. That sounds ridiculous in Sweden. In the uk we have CD regulation drugs that you have to get special pink slips for and it's registered on the government system as to how much is being ordered into a pharmacy but that's just so that pharmacies don't order excess meds in to sell illegally. The whole system over there sounds outdated, flawed and frankly immortal. Sending a heroin addict away in major withdrawal with only ibuprofen is just insane. In the UK you'd be given at least a tablet or two of bupe but you'd also be registered as a drug abuser on the system which is a downfall to some extent, but doesn't really affect much, it's really so that if you need major surgery they know they will need to use higher doses of IV morphing or whatever.

And the doctors fault regarding addiction I can understand. When I was 15 I was over prescribed diazepam and codeine - luckily I didn't pick up a habit with benzos at that time, but I did hardcore with the codeine. I was never told about the addictive qualities of codeine and wasn't even told until about a year later, when he told me I was an addict. I was like, lol, wtf?
 
JimRaynor said:
I totally agree with you, but here in Sweden practically no doctor or psych would agree with you (publicly anyway). It is almost fascinating that the view on drug users can be so darn old-fashioned in such a developed country as Sweden. There's no big difference between how drug addicts are treated here and how witches were treated in the medieval ages. 'cept maybe the witches were killed, here we just send the addicts to prison for years, deny them medical care and stigmatize them in society.

Telling a doctor here about any kind of drug use, even if it was just a few times during the teens, is the dumbest thing you can do if you want medical attention. It has even gone so far that patients in treatment for addiction (e.g. subutex program) who tests positive on a urine test gets kicked out from treatment! Or that people diagnosed with ADHD who also have admitted drug use are permanently cut off the stimulants. Even though the non-stimulants give no relief. I also read not long ago about a woman who turned up at the ER with extreme opiate withdrawal who got nothing but a ibuprofen and a few condesending remarks and then had to sit in the waiting room soiling herself. The lunacy bear no bounds over here it seems.

And yeah, did I mention that amphetamine medication is only RX'd on a case to case basis and a formal request needs to be filled out and send to the Swedish Medical Agency by the treating doctor with proof of that every other ADHD-medicine out there has been tested and not proven effective. All that just because of the scary name "amphetamine" and no scientific reason at all.

Atleast I hope some of the doctors over here see the lunacy going on, but they still have to play along with the charade because hefty penalties awaits the doctor who prescribes controlled substances too far over the average rate. And in socialist Sweden where people cannot think on their own is it ALWAYS the doctors fault if a patient kills himself with prescribed meds or even merely winds up addicted to them. Patients here are so dumb that it never can be their own fault if they screw up. So I don't blame the doctors. I blame the political system and the legislators.
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And I have always viewed Sweden as a Progressive country....
 
pally pete said:
And I have always viewed Sweden as a Progressive country....
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When it comes to drugs and harm reduction, it's one of the worst countries in Europe. Possibly the worst. We have 1 needle exchange located in the most southern part of the country. That's it. Someone was at least thinking in the right direction when last year 11 november they revised the laws about buying/having needles and syringes. Up untill then buying them was a no go at pharmacies. Well, that sounded good, untill the Swedish counterpart to FDA (läkemedelsverket) decided to add that if in case of suspected drug abuse, no needles and syringes can be sold. So basically now we are able to buy them legally, though the pharmacies won't sell them still unless you have a prescription or manage to bullshit them somehow (many riddiculous reasons I read that people try to sell). Well, some will sell thankfully due to abolishment of state control of all pharmacies. Thank god for those only looking for profit in this case. Still, at least 50% or so of pharmacies are still owned by the state, and the people that work there have always denied my purchases. Importing rigs is a criminal offense also still, unless you have a valid medical reason to use them yourself, which is also riddiculous since there would be no reason at all to import medical supplies to sweden if you are sick here, medicine and treatment cost a total of ~300 euro a year tops. After that the state pays everything.

This is frustrating me, had only it been legal to import and buy syringes at pharmacies, it would have saved me alot of money and veins. This is the most basic harm reduction thing in my eyes and they almost got it right but then fucked it up. I knew it was to good to be true when I read about it on the net. I wonder what the point was, reviewing an old law which only benefit would be harm reduction for drug users, and then saying that it applies to everyone but them. Where is the logic in this I wonder?

Why even bother...
 
I posted this on a thread in the homeless section but I don't know if it will get any responses, so I hope you don't mind if I ask this here as well (don't know where to post :( )
Where can I ask about codeine usage? (Specifically about using every day/every other day) There doesn't seem to a thread on codeine and the OD social just got deleted, but I don't think my questions are worth a whole new thread.
Thank you!
 
synthetix said:
The whole system over there sounds outdated, flawed and frankly immortal. Sending a heroin addict away in major withdrawal with only ibuprofen is just insane. In the UK you'd be given at least a tablet or two of bupe but you'd also be registered as a drug abuser on the system which is a downfall to some extent, but doesn't really affect much, it's really so that if you need major surgery they know they will need to use higher doses of IV morphing or whatever.
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The system is a catastrophy in every way possible yes. The woman i spoke about did eventually - 18 h later - get a decent amount of bupe and an apology when the "chief doctor" found out about her. But still was the initial "treatment" closer to the norm than something unusual. The doctor who judged that an ibuprofen was treatment enough got no reprimand whatsoever.

And the doctors fault regarding addiction I can understand. When I was 15 I was over prescribed diazepam and codeine - luckily I didn't pick up a habit with benzos at that time, but I did hardcore with the codeine. I was never told about the addictive qualities of codeine and wasn't even told until about a year later, when he told me I was an addict. I was like, lol, wtf?
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Yes, it can go that way too, and then the responsibility lies on the doc ofcourse. But regarding things like anxiety and pain should be the patients own decision on how large a risk of getting addicted it is worth taking for adequate analgesia or anxiolysis, after the doc has explained the potential consequences as thoroughly he can. In Sweden it is the doc who decides how much analgesia a certain patient needs. And as he is afraid of losing his doc license if you get addicted he'll rather prescribe too little than too much. And take a guess where people in pain turn to relieve it when the health care system won't help them?

This rule about that no doc is allowed to Rx controlled substances much over the average is also causing alot of innocent people unnecessary suffering. Because when the doc just has that many prescriptions to write, guess who he writes them to? The people who know exactly what to say to get what they want, and are neither ashamed of lying or nagging. I'm refering to the addicts. The normal swedes on the other hand who are honest, afraid of making the doc suspect they are addicts and not accustomed to the easiest ways to talk your way into narcotics often just have to suffer through whatever pain they may have.
 
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