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BBC 3 Thurs 9pm - How ecstasy Works 13/1/2011

Chemical Samile said:
The guy who commented on mandy being a gateway drug was Prof Parrot, the guy Prof Nutt stated on BBC Hardline as having a completely wrong view on MDMA =D

I think Prof Parrot is simply flying the 'all drugs are bad' flag :\

Aye, I also thought the dude in the program was at least aware of BL...

On the whole I thought it could have been a lot worse - particularly liked the fact it focused a lot on the benefits of the drug in a medical setting for therapy.
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You're joking aren't you! I went for a piss and made a quick cup of tea and missed it. I wouldn't have known if my wife hadn't mentioned it
The positive bit that is
 
i am watching tghe repeat now on bbc3 whilst pillin, makes it a lot harder to watch might have to catch it on 4od
 
missing old pills said:
You're joking aren't you! I went for a piss and made a quick cup of tea and missed it. I wouldn't have known if my wife hadn't mentioned it
The positive bit that is
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I guess 'a lot' was a slight exaggeration.

But it did cover the potential medical benefits of MDMA, something that I wasn't expecting from a BBC3 program about drugs.
 
Chemical Samile said:
I guess 'a lot' was a slight exaggeration.

But it did cover the potential medical benefits of MDMA, something that I wasn't expecting from a BBC3 program about drugs.
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ok fair one. It's taking too fucking long though 10 years for America how long for our boys and girls they've fucked up with their fucking evil wars
 
OK I just finished watching it.

Actually overall you have to congratulate Pioneer productions for making a pretty good documentary. This massively, massively exceeded my expectations.

They gave a genuine and plausible account of why extacy is desirable to take, almost an advert for MDMA. This must have been pushing the envelope for them because I've never seen anything like this before.

The girl and guy they used were actually pretty sound in the end, both had their heads screwed on. Unfortunately they did feed the young, reckless stereotype a little bit, mitigated slightly by the other older people taking MDMA later on.


I was impressed that they didn't scaremonger about neurotoxicity to the brain. I was further impressed that they didn't dwell on the comedown and the increased anxiety etc in the following week.

Negatives:

Polydrug usage: The guy they interviewed about his son dying. I feel for him but that whole segment was given way too much weight and basically should have been omitted entirely because it represented one in a 100,000 MDMA users. I'm sure they kept it because that Bristol guy had exceptionally good delivery and sounded good on camera.

Leah betts -- they didn't highlight that she didn't even take MDMA (it was MDEA) and didn't put the real risks into perspective. Fair enough water intoxication is a real risk and should be covered.

The guy with the pill store said 50 deaths a year at height of extacy but again provided no reference to how many people in total were taking extacy and probably didn't exclude polydrug use

It really concerned me that they didn't talk more about the fake pills going around. He referred to them as "CPP". Without a basic explanation how how users can test their gear this amounts to scaremongering. I was disappointed that the young users didn't discuss how they do quality control.

I was also disappointed that they didn't explore the distinction between MDMA and Extacy, i.e. talk about how many years ago pills actually contained other drugs (MDEA, MDA, Speed).

Like evad said -- suggesting that MDMA leads to other drugs is bollocks. That parrot guy they interviewed is clearly an idiot
 
there was a dissproportionate amount of time spent on that kids death that had fuck all to do with mdma, at least his dad seemed like a smart enough guy rather than a rabid "ban this sick filth" type. I was mostly surprised it showed a couple of non-idiot kids going out, using responsible amounts of MDMA, having a fun night and reflecting intelligently on their experiences without just editing them to make them look like cunts. certainly a bit better than standard bbc3 dross but still a fair bit of dross.
 
Another thought on stereotyping -- it fed the stereotype that only young students that goto illegal raves take extacy. What about people that goto normal clubs to listen to dance music in general?

In a way this is a good thing and may have been by design because it doesn't increase hysteria.

I'm sure my parents would be totally ignorant to this shit. When they ask me about NYE plans or something I would say that I'm going to a "concert" rather than a club, I'm sure their minds will illuminate with an image of the Spice Girls or AC/DC. Extacy is only associated in the public mind with all night raves with music that most normal people would think is rediculous. Perhaps this is why they didn't feel like they had to stigmatise it that much.

Even if they asked me directly "Do you take extacy", you could just use the stereotype to your advantage. "Don't you think I'm bit long in the tooth for that kind of thing?!".
 
erm, i was ment to be on that doc. they was desperate for me to be on it, and u can see why. it would of given an even more balanced view of things, showing a 39 year old man whos been doing it for 22 years on there, unfortunatley i changed my mind, as i have other things to take into consideration, ie i have familes and stuff i wouldnt want to embarass, even if i dont care about myself or what people think.

this is why your only ever going to get those stereotype people on those programmes who dont give a shit what people think.

as for the doc itself, i would of been reasonably proud to be a part of it, as it was exactly as the producer told me it would be, its a science documentary, about how the drug affects the body and mind when you take it, nothing less, nothing more. they stuck to there word. it would of been wrong of them to not show some of the negative freaky things that have happened in the past, it showed every side including the positives.

i have no problem with the doc at all
 
Sorry too drunk to read through all the comments, read dee_dee's post though, my friend was on the short list to appear on the show but removed himself at last minute (mostly from persuasion from ourselves, funny to see who they recruited though plur)


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yeah i was talked out of it to by friends who werent happy about it as well. if i didnt have other people to think about i would of done it for sure, but it wouldnt of been fair on me being recognised and people like my parents and stuff who are from an older generation. personally i dont care what people think of me but i do about my family when there neighbours start gossiping and all that, its a different story then entirley. i am not a selfish person, which is why as i say your only going to get those completley stereotype young people who wouldnt give two hoots about anything like that or anyone else, they just see it as five mins of fame, not a science programme
 
ecsplosiv said:
Another thought on stereotyping -- it fed the stereotype that only young students that goto illegal raves take extacy.
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that guy was about as far as you can get from your average free party atendee haha

What about people that goto normal clubs to listen to dance music in general?
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what, you mean like the main girl in the docu? haha
 
captain codshit said:
The only thing i paid attention to was the stash...WHOA!!!!! GEEZ SOME SNOWBALLS BRAH! =D
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That massive filing cabinet thing full of swedge was the greatest thing I've ever seen. Think about being able to have a look through all your favourite old classic pills & pick the exact ones you want for a night out. Definitely had those speckled mitzis before haha. Brought back some memories.

Overall I was actually shocked at how little they attacked ecto, all the stuff about the medicinal uses of it was really positive & even they people filmed on nights out weren't made out to be total cunts. I loved how the bird curled up in bed at the end still with her hood up & sunglasses on, done that many a time. That'll be me when I make it home Saturday afternoon. Quick joint then roll up in bed for a while.
 
ecsplosiv said:
Leah betts -- they didn't highlight that she didn't even take MDMA (it was MDEA)
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Source?

Those Apples were great MDMA. Everyone rushed out to buy them when Leah died.

Watched first 25 mins. As stated, didn't make me want to kick the TV as much as I thought it would. Have to turn off when Paul Betts comes on though, it's the law in my house.
 
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