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barbiturates vs. benzodiazepines

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Which do you think has more recreational value, and which effects do you find most favorable i.e. euphoria or anxiolytic properties. Also within these two categories which are the most euphoric/recreational substances?
 
Too much variation there fella, depends what your after, Mondays I might prefer a good barb and a movie, but Tuesday I might have to clean the house, so a bit of xanax is preferable, it depends what your wanting from your buzzzzz?
 
IME The benzodiazepines are safer and probably more useful:

Diazepam is probably best for anxiety, long half life - not really 'abusable'.
Flunitrazepam really does beat the other benzos in terms of euphoria in my opinion.
Trizolam (Halcion) is just a blackout - not fun
Midazolam is quite fun with some whisky !
Of course Temazepam isn't bad. I would rate that second behind flunitrazepam for euphoria.

The barbs should be treated with more care, certainly with alcohol !

Pentobarbital and Secobarbital have a much better euphoria, tho you are lucky to find these.

Phenobarbital can give a pretty good euphoria with alcohol, tho be fucking careful!

Overall, I would go with flunitrazepam and alcohol.

Hope this is useful.
 
Alright well perhaps i'll break it down by category, which is the most:
euphoric:
anxiolytic:
drowsy:
energetic:
long lasting:
"clean" high:
produces the strongest "rush":
 
Jeez

Well it's really important to understand that everyones different, I know a guy who takes a couple of klonopins and he's off, and another can munch em like m&m's

Then you gotta take into consideration the route of administration..

You don't really get a "rush" with any of them, if you chuck a few Valiums under your tongue you'll feel pretty good for a bit..
Could be more help if I knew what you where after, I mean have you got some and wanna see what they do?what? chuck some names out and if I done em, I'll tell you about em!
 
Euphoric: Barbiturates - Short/Intermediate acting.
Anxiolytic: Barbiturates - All.
Drowsy: Barbiturates - All.
Energetic: Both can cause this paradoxical effect.
Long lasting: Both have long lasting types.
Cleaner high: Benzodiazepines
Produces the strongest rush: Barbiturates - I.V. Short acting/Intermediate acting.

Barbiturates are far superior in effectiveness, but with way less safety profiles in their usage.

Phenobarbital is still used for anxiety in patients who are allergic to benzodiazepines and vice-verse.
 
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i have some Butalbital and xanax, however, i feel pretty confident in my ability to find some of the more exotic types, sorry this is such a broad question i just have very little experience in these types of drugs and am hoping to start of with some of the best.
 
^^ Oh lol I didn't read it like that, thought he wanted a fucking list of particular drugs lmao!
 
Butalbital can't say i know anything about that one, unfortunatly.

And xanax, not really my cup of tea, didn't do much, but some people love the stuff! Take a couple and top up here and there, your tolerance will vary a lot, so just start low, and work up till you can feel it..If you want a rushy feeling, empty stomach, and snort them, just after you wake up, for added perk have a grapefruit for breakfast!

Be careful though, they can be addictive as fuck, specially if you got access to large quantities!
 
thesomoan said:
i have some Butalbital and xanax, however, i feel pretty confident in my ability to find some of the more exotic types, sorry this is such a broad question i just have very little experience in these types of drugs and am hoping to start of with some of the best.
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Butalbital is such a minuscule high. It's not just butalbital in those tablets, the caffeine will deplete most of the sedation of the butalbital...

It's good if you are not tolerant to other GABA-a type drugs...
 
when coming home from a long day at work, specifically a day that just hasn't gone my way, first a couple hits off a spliff. That gives that nearly instant weight off your shoulders feeling (which is euphoric only in that I feel better than I did 10 mins before). Then before bed I take clonopin to help me keep my mind clear of all the crap that made my day bad and help me fall asleep (hopefully).

A year back or so I was helping a friend move, which turned into an all night affair. Of course it became one of the craziest wind/rain storms I had ever seen while living in Chicago on the night we were moving. But a few xanax, and i didn't much care any more. made it a lot easier to just get through the rest of the night, get all the crap moved and then relax once we finished.

Note, I knew the kind of dosage I was taking, in that situation, taking too high of a dose could have been dangerous.

So from your list I guess I use xanax or klonopin or just benzos in general for axiolytic, euphoric (in the benzo sense), and long lasting effects.
I have no experience with barbs to compare them too though
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Euphoric: Barbiturates - Short/Intermediate acting.
Anxiolytic: Barbiturates - All.
Drowsy: Barbiturates - All.
Energetic: Both can cause this paradoxical effect.
Long lasting: Both have long lasting types.
Cleaner high: Benzodiazepines
Produces the strongest rush: Barbiturates - I.V. Short acting/Intermediate acting.

Barbiturates are far superior in effectiveness, but with way less safety profiles in their usage.

Phenobarbital is still used for anxiety in patients who are allergic to benzodiazepines and vice-verse.
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I am pretty sure that the benzodiazepines are superior anxiolytics then barbiturates. There have been studies that prove benzos are just as effective, if not more effective than any barbs as anti-anxiety agents. This is one of the main reasons why doctors began to script benzos over barbs (the other reason was the lethality/overdose issue, of course).

Barbiturates are superior hypnotics, that's for sure, but benzos have the edge as anti-anxiety agents.
 
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barbiturates(except phenobarbital or the Floricet formulation, in which good benzos like temazepam or flunitrazepam are a bit better) are better than benzos.

fast acting ones(my favorite is secobarbital or "reds") are more euphoric and relaxing than a benzo. they also feel more intoxicating.

the problem is that they're quite dangerous in overdose and are dangerously addictive. the lethal dose of a strong barb is often not much higher than the normal theraputic dose.

secobarbital, amobarbital, pentobarbital, and other barbs really are only beat by methaqualone as far as recreational effects.
 
kokaino said:
I am pretty sure that the benzodiazepines are superior anxiolytics then barbiturates. There have been studies that prove benzos are just as effective, if not more effective than any barbs as anti-anxiety agents. This is one of the main reasons why doctors began to script benzos over barbs (the other reason was the lethality/overdose issue, of course).

Barbiturates are superior hypnotics, that's for sure, but benzos have the edge as anti-anxiety agents.
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Money and safety is the reason why barbiturates got played out.

Barbiturates are more powerful CNS depressants than any benzodiazepine.
Higher CNS depression (GABA-A P.A.M.) by default is more anxiolytic...
Plus, barbiturates operate a completely different way than benzodiazepines.

Once more, most barbiturates are under-dosed today if you do get one for anxiety.

It takes at least 100-200 mgs of phenobarbital to get a proper anxiolytic response. 300 mgs is used for sedation. Note: it is not as potent as Secobarbital, Pentobarbital, Allobarbital or Talbutal, but it last fairly a long time like the first an original barbiturate Barbital. That is why it seems like a high dose.
Most doctors will prescribe Epileptic doses for anxiety, which are lower than both the hypnotic and anxiolytic doses for phenobarbital.
 
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^ I concur. 200mg of phenobarbital will floor you down. Very potent stuff.
 
pally pete said:
300mg.

is that too little?
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O.K.

Next questions are...
...What is your tolerance like? (Benzos included, they do have cross tolerance.)
...Do you get paradoxical reactions from GABA-A (P.A.M) drugs? (This makes anything, not just the barbiturates useless.)

You cannot blame it on the barbiturates. There is human error somewhere in your treatment. Or, you lied to your doctor (Tolerance, not telling him is lying.) and did not receive the proper dose.
 
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