Bakersfield dad accused of biting out son's eye

ActiveA said:
Okay this takes out all my interest in ever wanting to try PCP.
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it does pretty much the same thing as DXM/ketamine. it is a little dirtier/stronger, but if you just compensate by using less, it's quite similar

it is hypocritical, and accepting of propaganda (this stuff may be true, but you can find these situations from ANY drug, including marijuana, and the media will hound on it) to say PCP sucks while having a more positive view towards other NMDA antagonists like ketamine/robitussin/nitrous oxide
 
I've done K and nitros. Neither made me feel violent or gave me mad hallucinations. But on PCP I've felt pretty out of control. And I've seen people do some crazy stuff on it. I cant say I've ever seen anybody do much more than pass out from too much nitros or K. I'm not trying to be hypocritical, just explaining my experiences in the hope that others may benefit from them.

qwe said:
it does pretty much the same thing as DXM/ketamine. it is a little dirtier/stronger, but if you just compensate by using less, it's quite similar

it is hypocritical, and accepting of propaganda (this stuff may be true, but you can find these situations from ANY drug, including marijuana, and the media will hound on it) to say PCP sucks while having a more positive view towards other NMDA antagonists like ketamine/robitussin/nitrous oxide
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This is definitely up there as one of the most disturbing things I've ever read on Bluelight, or in general to be quite honest. I can't even begin to fathom the kind of mental trauma this kid is going to be dealing with for the rest of his life.

Then to add the whole beating his already lame legs with an axe while on PCP? wtf... I wish I could add something a little meatier in regards to that particular portion of this tale, but I can't. wtf.
 
qwe said:
glad to see such compassion for those who get the short end 8)
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They don't get the short end. The two year old child who gets sexually tortured to death gets the short end.

I'm sorry but acts like this display a lack of basic humanity. Something that isn't human and that had displayed itself to be harmfully mad should be put to sleep so that it can in now way continue to do harm.

Furthermore, I'm a freak, I love sex. I've done some dark stuff, however, I just don't understand what makes someone get up in the morning and think Oh I think I'll torture and/or rape and/or murder a child today.

I do not want the sub-human thing that thinks like that on my planet.

Sorry, but I think we should cull this particular perversion out of the human race.

If a four year old turned to me with his face bleeding and said 'my daddy ate my eyes' I'd fucking kill the guy, I would not be able to live with myself if I didn't

Moreover if I could kill him to prevent the act I would.
 
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Huaca said:
Why post this here? Isn't there some psycho killer forum to post this on? This is not drugs in the media.
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Because its in the media and involves drugs, did you read the post?



And qwe, children need to be shielded and protected to some extant. You put the weight and responsibility of the world on a kid and they'll loose what makes them a child.
 
Meejay said:
They don't get the short end. The two year old child who gets sexually tortured to death gets the short end.

I'm sorry but acts like this display a lack of basic humanity. Something that isn't human and that had displayed itself to be harmfully mad should be put to sleep so that it can in now way continue to do harm.
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Im with Meejay, I think to many people focus on the "rights" of criminals, and not the victims.
 
>>They don't get the short end. The two year old child who gets sexually tortured to death gets the short end. >>

they both get the short end. it's called having a (human) mental issue. behavior is controlled by the chemicals that make us think and make us who we are. when these chemicals are out of sync, types of experience and types of behavior that you cannot imagine occur. this does not imply evil, and it occurs NATURALLY in HUMANS

>>I'm sorry but acts like this display a lack of basic humanity. Something that isn't human and that had displayed itself to be harmfully mad should be put to sleep so that it can in now way continue to do harm.>>

see above

>>Furthermore, I'm a freak, I love sex.>>

loving sex does not make you a freak. loving sex is healthy...

>>I've done some dark stuff, however, I just don't understand what makes someone get up in the morning and think Oh I think I'll torture and/or rape and/or murder a child today.>>

well i do understand (partly)

>>I do not want the sub-human thing that thinks like that on my planet.>>

i don't want someone who thinks like you on my planet, but i believe that unless we live and let live, we'll be on a dangerous path towards destroying freedom and destroying the very basic human dignity/respect of allowing other people to live their lifestyle and learn their own consequences and do what they will with their own body

controlling thought/behavior is a dangerous road, and yes it is necessary in cases like this, but only in a compassionate and scientific manner

>>Sorry, but I think we should cull this particular perversion out of the human race.>>

but you think that you yourself is a perversion. it is a spectrum. i think you should go raise your self esteem, read some psychology periodicals, visit a mental ward, whatever. your lack of compassion for criminals even predicts your lack of acceptance of sexuality actually :)

>>If a four year old turned to me with his face bleeding and said 'my daddy ate my eyes' I'd fucking kill the guy, I would not be able to live with myself if I didn't>>

i wouldn't be able to live with myself if i killed somebody in cold blood. the guy is probably recieving the help/treatment he needs right now, because there are enough people in the world who are not like you, who accept that people are created by their genes and environment and their mind's interaction with these two elements. when anybody does anything, to them, it feels right, and that means people are sick, not evil. everybody inadvertently causes pain

And qwe, children need to be shielded and protected to some extant. You put the weight and responsibility of the world on a kid and they'll loose what makes them a child.
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i am not putting the weight and responsibility of the world on any kid

of course children need to be shielded and protected! this world is sick in so many ways. children need to have CHILD LIVES, of course that is true

i know i have been focusing on the adult victim in the story, without talking about the child. and i do feel for the child. it is a very sad story. but the reason i have been doing this, is because every time something like this pops up in the news, bluelighters are as bad as any drug warrior shouting "for ze children! stop the evil, put em to sleep like an animal!" so i feel if no one else will, i have to defend this poor guy who has issues himself

i mean, do you have any idea how bad he probably feels about what he did to his own son?! it has been said in this thread that he is "inhuman". well, he is a human, and he is probably living with more remorse/regret than you could imagine
 
qwe said:
>>They don't get the short end. The two year old child who gets sexually tortured to death gets the short end. >>

they both get the short end. it's called having a (human) mental issue. behavior is controlled by the chemicals that make us think and make us who we are. when these chemicals are out of sync, types of experience and types of behavior that you cannot imagine occur. this does not imply evil, and it occurs NATURALLY in HUMANS

>>I'm sorry but acts like this display a lack of basic humanity. Something that isn't human and that had displayed itself to be harmfully mad should be put to sleep so that it can in now way continue to do harm.>>

see above

>>Furthermore, I'm a freak, I love sex.>>

loving sex does not make you a freak. loving sex is healthy...

>>I've done some dark stuff, however, I just don't understand what makes someone get up in the morning and think Oh I think I'll torture and/or rape and/or murder a child today.>>

well i do understand (partly)

>>I do not want the sub-human thing that thinks like that on my planet.>>

i don't want someone who thinks like you on my planet, but i believe that unless we live and let live, we'll be on a dangerous path towards destroying freedom and destroying the very basic human dignity/respect of allowing other people to live their lifestyle and learn their own consequences and do what they will with their own body

controlling thought/behavior is a dangerous road, and yes it is necessary in cases like this, but only in a compassionate and scientific manner

>>Sorry, but I think we should cull this particular perversion out of the human race.>>

but you think that you yourself is a perversion. it is a spectrum. i think you should go raise your self esteem, read some psychology periodicals, visit a mental ward, whatever. your lack of compassion for criminals even predicts your lack of acceptance of sexuality actually :)

>>If a four year old turned to me with his face bleeding and said 'my daddy ate my eyes' I'd fucking kill the guy, I would not be able to live with myself if I didn't>>

i wouldn't be able to live with myself if i killed somebody in cold blood. the guy is probably recieving the help/treatment he needs right now, because there are enough people in the world who are not like you, who accept that people are created by their genes and environment and their mind's interaction with these two elements. when anybody does anything, to them, it feels right, and that means people are sick, not evil. everybody inadvertently causes pain


i am not putting the weight and responsibility of the world on any kid

of course children need to be shielded and protected! this world is sick in so many ways. children need to have CHILD LIVES, of course that is true

i know i have been focusing on the adult victim in the story, without talking about the child. and i do feel for the child. it is a very sad story. but the reason i have been doing this, is because every time something like this pops up in the news, bluelighters are as bad as any drug warrior shouting "for ze children! stop the evil, put em to sleep like an animal!" so i feel if no one else will, i have to defend this poor guy who has issues himself

i mean, do you have any idea how bad he probably feels about what he did to his own son?! it has been said in this thread that he is "inhuman". well, he is a human, and he is probably living with more remorse/regret than you could imagine
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If it was your kid you'd feel the same way as me.

Its fine to have issues, when you act on those issues and harm a child that's when you should be put down in my opinion.

These people made a simple choice: Get help or Harm a child,

Many child molesters and abusers did not get abused/molested themselves and many people who have been abused do not go on to become abusers.

I simply feel that the commission of an act such as this should result in expulsion from the human race.

I think a man like this should be legally defined as non-human by virtue of his choices and actions, therefore revoking his rights as such.

That to me would be the worst of the punishment, knowing before you die that you succumbed to something and consequently gave up your humanity. To be reviled as a monster and utterly redefined in your existence.

Not because of your religion or the color of your skin but because you chose not to share the fact that you are sick but instead indulged yourself at the expense of a young life full of potential.

Judgment according to action.

Just because he didn't mean it and he's sorry doesn't mean that makes it OK. He has illustrated himself capable and willing to commit acts that are unimaginably wrong, that is grounds for removal from the human race in my opinion.

That is how I see it.
 
If it was your kid you'd feel the same way as me.
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you don't know me well enough to say this. i believe i know myself well enough to say that this is not true. we are all human, we've all experienced extremes of positive and negative emotions

Many child molesters and abusers did not get abused/molested themselves and many people who have been abused do not go on to become abusers.
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while this is true, there is still a definite link between lack of positive affection and touching, and violence later as adult

eg, you can look at the studies james w prescott and his predecessor (forget his name but hes a pretty famous psychologist) as well as Dr Spock's books. Prescott was doing studies with rearing monkeys and had some fascinating findings, they are online, i suggest you read up on them. you might have more compassion for criminals

at the methadone clinic, i was waiting in line for my dose, picked up some health info pamphlets cuz i was bored... so if you want a couple scientific findings/stats to back up my claims, here ya go!

90% of incarcerated male felons have child abuse histories

95% of arrested teen prostitutes have records of abuse, often sexual

13% of all violence can be firmly linked to past child abuse

source: 27-year study by national institute of justice, national institute of alcohol abuse and alcoholism, national institute of mental health... "nurturing today"; family development resources; summer 2000

Just because he didn't mean it and he's sorry doesn't mean that makes it OK. He has illustrated himself capable and willing to commit acts that are unimaginably wrong, that is grounds for removal from the human race in my opinion.
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with your opinions, you really would have fit in quite well in medieval europe. assuming no one burned you first
 
I believe that he's reached a point and done an act so brutal and violent that he warrent's either death of to be never released from prision. His crime is so extream that the risk and consequences of him re offending despite the best treatment are too great for the rest of society. I don't care if he is extreamly medicated and seem's to be the nicest person in the world walking around, if the doctors are wrong he could snap and do it again.
 
static_mind said:
I believe that he's reached a point and done an act so brutal and violent that he warrent's either death of to be never released from prision. His crime is so extream that the risk and consequences of him re offending despite the best treatment are too great for the rest of society. I don't care if he is extreamly medicated and seem's to be the nicest person in the world walking around, if the doctors are wrong he could snap and do it again.
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if he actually does become rehabilitated (doubtful,with our prison system) he wouldn't be more dangerous than pretty much any other citizen, especially those who like alcohol or have mental issues (aka everyone)
 
Meejay said:
That to me would be the worst of the punishment, knowing before you die that you succumbed to something and consequently gave up your humanity. To be reviled as a monster and utterly redefined in your existence.
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I suppose, putting myself in his shoes for a moment, that the knowledge that I'd eaten my son's eye out would be far worse punishment then anything you could do to me, and I don't even have any children. But I could imagine. I have to say that I agree with qwe, and have to give you a lot of respect man. If only most of society had even half as much compassion/empathy as you do, we'd be heading down a much better road.

Btw, I had a pretty strong knee-jerk reaction upon first reading this article, and it was only after reading the replies and thinking on it for a while that I found myself in agreement with qwe.
 
WhenShallIBeFree said:
Thats pretty irresponsible. Shouldn't get high if your trying to raise children.
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maybe you shouldnt get high on PCP while taking care of kids sure, but are you saying toking on a joint or popping some vicodins or ritalins would really interfere with your ability to take care of someone?
 
Ilfirin said:
I suppose, putting myself in his shoes for a moment, that the knowledge that I'd eaten my son's eye out would be far worse punishment then anything you could do to me, and I don't even have any children. But I could imagine. I have to say that I agree with qwe, and have to give you a lot of respect man. If only most of society had even half as much compassion/empathy as you do, we'd be heading down a much better road.

Btw, I had a pretty strong knee-jerk reaction upon first reading this article, and it was only after reading the replies and thinking on it for a while that I found myself in agreement with qwe.
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No I don't think so, because there's too different ways you can treat someone like this.
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OPTION 1:

You can give them the excuse:

Oh your sick its OK we'll make you better you poor thing.

and he can say he's sick and he's a poor thing and he can blame it on his sickness and live with himself
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OPTION 2:

You can cull them from the herd:

Your actions prove that you are no longer human and as such have lost all rights as such, you will be put down within the next 72 hours.

No excuses, no recourse, the state is not putting down a legal human being so it is not committing hypocrisy by murdering while saying it is wrong to murder.
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which would be worse to the perpetrator?


It is utterly wrong when someone commits a crime against a child to take them in and say "there there pumpkin" it is irresponsible. They made a choice to vent their sickness on a child and it is the responsibility of the human race to protect our children.

If someone hurts a child WE as the human race have a DUTY to our children to see it NEVER happens again.

you don't know me well enough to say this. i believe i know myself well enough to say that this is not true. we are all human, we've all experienced extremes of positive and negative emotions
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So you'd rather see your child raped then commit violence to protect them?

I think that's probably untrue weather you know it or not now.

In my experience atheists become at least agnostics in foxholes.
 
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