Heroin Back on the Subboxone/heroin merry go 'round

[BlueHues]

Exactly 4 weeks ago I moved back to the good ol' east coast from the midwest where there was hardly any H to speak of.

I moved in with my friend who had a huge dope habit and ended up using enough to get dopesick in approx 1 1/2 weeks. Man, why do opiates have to give you such horrible WDs?! I know I'd get completely addicted anyway, but it really makes it suck 10 times worse!

I've been through this shit before and I never seem to remember quite how weak, sore and shitty being dopesick makes me feel!

I always go back into it thinking I'll play around and not get a habit again, but it happens so quickly now, and the sickness comes on just as strong as if I'd been using it daily for a year!

I'm staying with my family now who knows what I'm going through and over 72 hours I've taken 8mg of Sub over the last three days in 2 mg doses, I feel a lot better right now!

I have 4 8mg subs, and I guess I'm wondering if it's better to taper quick and suffer more now, or grab some more sub and go slow?!

My goal is to get through this as quickly as possible without being completely out of commision for a week!

Any ideas? sorry if I put this in the wrong place...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I don't have any ideas as to how to get back to normality as quickly as possible, but I will give you some advice. You have to want to be done with heroin for good to truly get off of it. You have to know that re-using heroin is going to lead you directly back to not just addiction but god awful withdrawals.

You need to psychologically memorize what you're going through, and you need to remember that using heroin means withdrawal, not euphoria. Any sort of high or pseudo enjoyment you will get out of heroin will be gone as quickly as you can blink your eyes, and you will be stuck in the withdrawal for what will seem like an eternity until it passes.

As Marilyn Manson said, "When you want it, goes away too fast, times you hate it always seem to last".

 

[KillSurfCity]

this has worked for ME...but everyone is different. i have gotten clean in under a week this way:

took one whole 8mg sub strip day one of quitting opiates. day two, one more strip. day three, nothing. day four, 1/2 strip. day five, 1/4th strip. day six, 1/6th strip. after that, nothing. i had miiiild withdrawals (about how you may feel on the evening of the first day off, which sucks and is a terrible feeling when you can't get more) for maybe 3 days after and then i was over it.

of course...that was years ago. i'm jammed, right now. hahahaha :D

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Good to hear from you Hues, sorry you got sucked back into this vortex of shit.

I'd go for the quick taper If I were you. Every time I get on subs and stay on them a while, I always regret it and wish I would have just come off of them earlier. You'll suffer a little more in the short term because you aren't drawing it out and able to lower your dose more gradually, but you'll thank yourself in the long run because getting off suboxone is such a pain in the ass.

In a positive light, at least you're out of the boring ass Mid West. Haha.

 

[lilmizer]

a) the midwest isn't all that boring... at least in my estimate. filled with sexy females who gravitate towards the badboy exdopefiend eastcoast image i exude. <g>
b) the midwest isn't entirely dry theres tons of heroin in columbus, cleveland, chicago, st. louis, kansas city, denver the list could increase ad infnitium.
c) the question is can you handle a quick taper on the subs or will you revert back to use on days 7-12 after a quick 5 day taper as these are the days you will be feeling crappy. I actually am in a similar predicament as you currently (day 8, pushing through after a 5 day taper.) I'm not sick or anything but anxiety/insomnia/muscle aches are noticable, and i'm a pussy for any of that shit. But I continue to push on as i know longrun this is the best option... by day 14-ish i'll be right as rain. And i have to go to Newark,NJ bi-weekly so as to placate the powers that be (urinanalysis/outpatient 'treatment.') The decision is yours. The post acute withdrawal is a bitch from a long comfortable sub taper, and have driven me back to using time and time again. Prepare to push through the bullshit; if you cant hack it though the long taper is obviously a preferable option to re-indulging in the the diesel train.

-lm

 

[down508]

if you stay on the sub your cravings for heroin will be less intense. if you use it to detox you will be back where you started before the h and will have to use your judgement to avoid using h again. do you want to get off opiates completely? or do you want to be on management and reap the benefits of less cravings and the blocking effect?

if you choose the latter go to a doctor asap, there's no sense in paying street prices for your subs and going through dealers while risking jail when you can easilly get them cheap from a doctor who will manage your dose, give you an outlet to speak with about your cravings and all that (my doctor is someone I look up to and respect and I actually feel like I don't want to disappoint him by relapsing). suboxone has its shortcomings but when used correctly under the supervision of a doctor it can be a powerful tool.

 

[Spadez87]

"I've been through this shit before and I never seem to remember quite how weak, sore and shitty being dopesick makes me feel!"


Its the same for any of us drug addicts even if we are clean for a long long time. Im Addicted/physically dependant to Benzos again for the 3rd time. Im only 25. I was on for 2 years straight the first time, 1.5 the second time, and now ive been on them again for 5 months. My point is no matter how shitty and close to a grand mal you may come its easy to get back into using. im back at the point where a few months back i told my buddy and a girl we know to hotwire my truck becuase if i didnt come back from somewhere i was going i wanted them to leave me there. i thought i had lost my keys i think, and The keys were in my hand apparently they tell me. I dont remeber any of this by the way. Its all what they told me a few weeks later.


im tapering down and this time im going to make myself remeber how awful these w/ds are and the stupid shit you can do when doing stupid amounts of any drug. im thinking about leaving notes around place like in my drawer or other random spots that say how fucked the w/ds are in detail once im off them again.

best of luck in getting clean again, staying clean and learning your lesson. I can't seem to.