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WarChild

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Hi peeps!

I read here that in 2004 the Australian Federal Police and other authorities burnt a MASSIVE amount of the trees that were being harvested for their Safrol content, (from memory in Cambodia or Indonesia, one of the two) and this is the reason that since then the availability of MDMA and good MDMA pills has dropped. Is this correct? Does anyone know the full story?


WC
 
Has all the marijuana trees the DEA and other police agencies burned over the years made a dent in quality marijuana supply? No, well perhaps to a small scale for a short period of time.
I can guarantee you plants burned 9 years ago will have no effect on the current supply.
Where there is a demand for illegal drugs, there will be a demand for illegal reagents.
I would attribute the decline in quality to when ecstasy and MDMA became exceedingly more popular than before, leading to more people cutting and using inferior synthesis techniques and cheaper shittier research chems instea of MDMA in their products.
 
You're correct, safrole-producing plants and oils have been restricted more heavily in the late 90's. I would think overharvesting plays a role too.

but it's also true that you can make safrole synthetically. And you can make MDMA "other ways" too - safrole is just really convenient.
 
WarChild said:
I read here that in 2004 the Australian Federal Police and other authorities burnt a MASSIVE amount of the trees that were being harvested for their Safrol content, (from memory in Cambodia or Indonesia, one of the two) and this is the reason that since then the availability of MDMA and good MDMA pills has dropped. Is this correct? Does anyone know the full story?
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I don't think it made a dent in current MDMA availability. I visit Australia often and there has alway been a very pure supply of MDMA available if one knew where to find it. So that tree burning operation just caused more pollution. Safrol is not necessary to make high quality MDMA. Safrol makes it easier but it is not essential.

Case in point...back in the early 1990's I remember the government cut off heroin supplies here in the greater New York City/Connecticut area. So synthetic heroin hit the streets. The users keep using. Apparently some of it was high quality but some of it was junk that killed people. Then supply lines were reestablished and currently the area appears to be awash in strong, cheap smack. So in the end it was a lot of effort by the government and now even more smack is out there then ever...go figure8(
 
Taking into consideration that almost everyone I hear/read online that has smelt their MDMA or confirmed MDMA pills 9/10 people report the typical sassafras/root beer/candy store smell comming off of it... This can only mean 1 of two things.

1) Majority MDMA produced is synthed from safrole, so it is deffintly out there

2) Cooks are adding raw safrole or similiar scent to their MDMA

Even if safrole was non-existant, there are other ways to produce MDMA and always will be
 
MrSpeedyG said:
Taking into consideration that almost everyone I hear/read online that has smelt their MDMA or confirmed MDMA pills 9/10 people report the typical sassafras/root beer/candy store smell comming off of it... This can only mean 1 of two things.

1) Majority MDMA produced is synthed from safrole, so it is deffintly out there

2) Cooks are adding raw safrole or similiar scent to their MDMA

Even if safrole was non-existant, there are other ways to produce MDMA and always will be
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or,

3) cooks are using a similar precursor with the same smells as safrole
 
alasdairm said:
^ which mdma precursor is similar to safrole and has the same "smells"?

alasdair
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isosafrole? :\

Isosafrole is an organic compound that is used in fragrance industry. Structurally, the molecule is related to phenylpropene, a type of aromatic organic chemical. Its fragrance reminiscent of anise or licorice
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I'm not sure, I don't go around sniffing essential oils often but there isn't said to be much difference in the smell of anise oil and safrole so I doubt the layman could tell which precursor was used simply by the smell.
 
There are also some other possiblities - more of a relevant set of facts than a possibilities I guess:

- Isosafrole's smell is almost indistinguishable from safrole's.
- MDP2P's smell is also close enough that trace amounts in the end-product could easily be mistaken for a safrole smell if that's what the smeller was looking for.
 
^ Said almost the same thing I did, haha.

wouldn't have thought that about MDP2P though, from what I know speed (often made from P2P) can have a VERY strong scent that differs greatly from MDMA. Maybe it's that MD ring that gives it that particular aroma?
 
Seeing that synthetic precursors are readily available as well as Safrole, My money would be on the fact that such a large percent of the population is aware of MDMA now compared to the 90s when it was first really hitting the market. Now we hear about it on the news, in school, and on the street. With more and more of the population becoming aware of 'ecstasy' I would guess the amount of users goes up. I believe the RC market has had a hand in feeding most of the 'ecstasy' game I saw a report a while back stating 80+% of the 'E' in a particular country or the world is not actually MDMA. I relate this to price, BK-MDMA can be up 10 times cheaper than MDMA, these dinosaur RC chemist in China definitely have a monopoly on the game. Keep in mind most customers dont care if it is an RC us here on bluelight probably have a different perception.

I actually just saw this posted by folley on pill reports this is what im referring to when I say it is not the availability of safrole that is the question it is the availability of research chemicals that are so low in cost that are putting the classic clandestine cook out of business " It's a shame really, the people who press these nasty pills can get like 20x the bulk for the same price as the good shit, which means they can press 20x more pills."

I would guess it is just as easy if not easier to get Safrole today then decades ago. Let alone Isosafrole will be even easier soon enough.

Everyone is talking about smell, what about color, can isosafrole still produce an amber crystal? Or would they need to use a dye?
 
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Isosafrole and MDP2P are downstream products derived from safrole . Not to get too elaborate, but almost certainly someone making MDMA from safrole would need to convert it to MDP2P or isosafrole or both in some order.

If you think isosafrole and MDP2P are "easier to get" than safrole you are smoking something funny. Both of those compounds are locked up tighter than a Virginia pedophile.

Judging purity from color and smell is a no-no. ideally MDMA and the other MDxx drugs are colorless and odorless. Any idiot can add brown coloring and aniseed extract to a cathinone and make "killer molly". If your MDMA is brown and smells like root beer, chances are your cook is an idiot who is stamping your product to shit, or just not bothering to purify anything at all.

Even the crudest acid/base purification on the finished MDMA would remove a large amount of color and smell.
 
alasdairm said:
^ which mdma precursor is similar to safrole and has the same "smells"?

alasdair
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Ali, didnt you know? Smell has everything to do with precursors and MDMA synth
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Folley said:
isosafrole? :\



I'm not sure, I don't go around sniffing essential oils often but there isn't said to be much difference in the smell of anise oil and safrole so I doubt the layman could tell which precursor was used simply by the smell.
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haha quality come back
 
Folley said:
I doubt the layman could tell which precursor was used simply by the smell.
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i doubt an expert could do it which is precisely my point. you can not make assumptions about these substances from their aromas any more than you can tell what's in a pill by what's stamped on it.

maybe it's awesome mdma which started as safrole or maybe it's methylone which was kept next to a box of liquorice...

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alasdair
 
... I was making assumptions? Funny, I thought I was showing Mr. SpeedyG that there were more possibilities than his proposed two.


I was trying to make a point that smell is not a reliable indicator of well.. anything. How could we even know if the majority of MDMA is made from one route or another if you can't even tell the original oil's scent from one another?
 
Folley said:
How could we even know if the majority of MDMA is made from one route or another if you can't even tell the original oil's scent from one another?
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Exactly this. ^

sekio said:
IIf your MDMA is brown and smells like root beer, chances are your cook is an idiot who is stamping your product to shit, or just not bothering to purify anything at all.
Even the crudest acid/base purification on the finished MDMA would remove a large amount of color and smell.
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And exactly this. ^

The rumors running around about synths and scents and filthy product these days are terrible, and that one not-so-secret site down the road is making it so much worse, because so many people seem to assume that because someone sells drugs in a slightly more technical setting than the traditional salesperson, they MUST know what they're talking about!
 
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