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100,000 NSW residents to be targeted in 'wasteful, unfair' roadside drug testing

Nearly 100,000 NSW residents each year will be subjected to roadside drug testing that police admit does not look for drugs that are still active in a person's system and critics say is about mass punishment of drug users, not road safety.

Documents obtained by the NSW Greens under freedom of information laws show there is no lower limit of drugs that are detectable in the saliva of people subjected to the roadside oral drug tests, and no proof the tests are effective in preventing crashes.

The offence of driving "with the presence of cannabis, speed/ice or MDMA/ecstasy in oral fluid" is separate to the charge of driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and police operating procedures reveal the tests do not imply a person is impaired by their drug use.

Greens MP David Shoebridge said the testing was a waste of money that undermined the legal system by making it a "de facto criminal offence of having potentially minuscule quantities of drugs present in your system".

"We are talking about inevitably thousands of people who will be losing their licence for up to 12 months and having to pay significant fines when there was no evidence they were a danger to other road users," Mr Shoebridge said.

The tender to provide the test kits is worth $6 million alone over the four years to 2018, the documents show, while lawyers report that courts are having to deal with more and more people caught out by the tests, which carry the same penalties as low-range drink-driving.

Australians are among the biggest users of cannabis in the world, with more than a third of people having tried it and one in 10 using in the past year. Anyone who has recently used the drug faces the prospect of being caught, with the NSW government planning an increase from an average of about 32,000 tests a year to 97,000 in 2017.

Visiting fellow at the Australian National University and health and justice expert David McDonald said the testing was "very odd" compared to similar systems such as those in Britain, which tested for levels indicating impairment and included other, legal, drugs known to affect driving such as benzodiazepines like valium.

"Our system breaches human rights and is a gross waste of public funds," he said. "It's an infringement of our rights ... because, unlike roadside breath testing, there is no body of scientific evidence that shows this roadside oral fluid testing actually improves road safety".

Steve Bolt, from Lismore law firm Bolt Findlay Lawyers, said local court was becoming clogged with drivers picked up by the tests, seeing as many as 74 cases in just one day.

"There is no information provided to the court about the level of THC [the active ingredient in cannabis] present in the person's system and the court is confronted with case after case after case where the person says it was days ago," he said.

In those cases, the person was often allowed to have no conviction recorded, but he said it appeared police were now targeting people previously caught out, who would then lose their licence.

"There is almost zero public transport in our area, and many of them live a distance from the main area where they work and take their kids to school," he said. "I think this testing is completely misguided and a waste of resources".

But Assistant Commissioner John Hartley, the commander of the Traffic and Highway Patrol Command, said the tests were "a strong program aimed at deterring people who take illegal drugs from driving a motor vehicle".

"Between 2010 and 2014, 14 per cent of all fatalities involved a driver or rider with an illegal drug in their system," he said.

And Bernard Carlon, the acting executive director of the Centre for Road Safety, said drug-driving was a serious problem across the state, with one in three tests this year returning a positive result, compared to one in 300 alcohol tests.

"This is why we're stepping up the fight against drug-driving."

This included tripling roadside drug testing to 97,000 tests annually, and rolling out dedicated drug-testing vehicles to every NSW region.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/heal...ir-roadside-drug-testing-20151003-gk0gyo.html
 
Police checking for drugs no longer active in driver's system: poll

Nearly 100,000 NSW residents each year will be subjected to roadside drug testing that police admit does not look for drugs that are still active in a person’s system and critics say is about mass punishment of drug users, not road safety.

Documents obtained by the NSW Greens under freedom of information laws show there is no lower limit of drugs that are detectable in the saliva of people subjected to the roadside oral drug tests, and no proof the tests are effective in preventing crashes.

The offence of driving ‘‘with the presence of cannabis, speed/ice or MDMA/ecstasy in oral fluid’’ is separate to the charge of driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Police operating procedures reveal the tests do not imply a person is impaired by their drug use.

Greens MP David Shoebridge said the testing was a waste of money that undermined the legal system by making a ‘‘de facto criminal offence of having potentially minuscule quantities of drugs present in your system’’.

‘‘We are talking about inevitably thousands of people who will be losing their licence for up to 12 months and having to pay significant fines when there was no evidence they were a danger to other road users,’’ Mr Shoebridge said.

The tender to provide the test kits is worth $6 million over the four years to 2018.

Australians are among the biggest users of cannabis in the world, with more than a third of people having tried it and one in 10 using in the past year. Anyone who has recently used the drug faces the prospect of being caught, with the NSW government planning an increase from an average of 32,000 tests a year to 97,000 in 2017.

Visiting fellow at the Australian National University and health and justice expert David McDonald said the testing was ‘‘very odd’’ compared to similar systems such as those in Britain, which test for levels indicating impairment and include other, legal, drugs known to affect driving.

‘‘Our system breaches human rights and is a gross waste of public funds,’’ he said. ‘Unlike roadside breath testing, there is no body of scientific evidence that shows this roadside oral fluid testing improves road safety’’.

Steve Bolt, from Lismore’s Bolt Findlay Lawyers, said local court was becoming clogged with drivers picked up by the tests, seeing as many as 74 cases in just one day.

‘‘There is no information provided to the court about the level of THC [the active ingredient in cannabis] present in the person’s system and the court is confronted with case after case where the person says it was days ago,’’ he said.

But Assistant Commissioner John Hartley, the commander of the Traffic and Highway Patrol Command, said the tests were ‘‘a strong program aimed at deterring people who take illegal drugs from driving a motor vehicle’’.

‘‘Between 2010 and 2014, 14 per cent of all fatalities involved a driver or rider with an illegal drug in their system,’’ he said.

And Bernard Carlon, the acting executive director of the Centre for Road Safety, said drug-driving was a serious problem across the state, with one in three tests this year returning a positive result, compared to one in 300 alcohol tests.

With a poll -

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3400364/police-checking-for-historic-drug-use-poll/?
 
Are you at risk of failing a roadside drug test after a wild weekend?

OCTOBER 5, 20153:28PM

A roadside drug-testing unit. Picture: Marc Robertson

EVER wondered if you took a joint or party pill over the weekend whether it would put you at risk of failing a roadside drug test on Monday?
Forensic toxicologist Andrew Leibie has the answer on a saliva tests about 12-24 hours after drug consumption.
“It’s important to know that different tests have different periods of detection,” Mr Leibie said.


“And blood testing is different again but it’s the saliva testing that police do in roadside tests so the drugs are only detected while they’re still psychoactive.”
A roadside drug-testing unit. Picture: Marc Robertson

A roadside drug-testing unit. Picture: Marc RobertsonSource:News Corp Australia
Mr Leibie said the length of time illicit drugs remained in each user’s system varied from one individual to another but that it was “extremely rare” for cannabis or methamphetamine to be detected on roadside screenings days or weeks after being consumed, when the drug was no longer psychoactive.

“It’s hard to talk generally because every individual’s metabolism and health status is different as well as the amount of the drug they’ve consumed,” he said.
“But if we’re talking — someone takes a drug on Saturday night and gets a saliva test on Monday morning — it’s very, very unlikely they’ll get a positive result, but theoretically not impossible.”
A saliva drug test is deemed positive under the current Australian oral drug testing standards (AS 4760) for readings of or above 25 nanograms per milligram of THC (the active ingredient in cannabis) or 50 nanograms per milligram for methamphetamine, including MDMA.

Saliva tests are currently used in various Australian states and territories to detect illicit drugs but are not yet used to screen for many prescription drugs, including benzodiazepines, which can impair drivers.
“Saliva testing is a bit like breathalysers,” Mr Leibie said.

“Generally speaking, cannabis usually won’t be detected after 12 hours but if someone is smoking a large amount regularly it might be up to 24 hours in extreme cases but in most cases it would be normal to not show up after five to six hours.

“For ecstasy and ice, which are all a part of the methamphetamine group, we’re fairly confident saliva testing will detect the drugs for up to 24 hours or 36 hours in absolute extreme environments where there might be confusion or liver damage.

“What they’re looking for in a saliva test is the active drug — the part of the drug that’s psychoactive that’s causing effect.
“In the urine test we’re looking for the metabolised drug — after the drug has been consumed and your liver has changed the drug and excreted in urine — and that takes time to occur.”
A roadside drug-testing unit on Mount Cotton Rd Capalaba. Picture: Marc Robertson
A roadside drug-testing unit on Mount Cotton Rd Capalaba. Picture: Marc RobertsonSource:News Corp Australia
Mr Leibie said it was not yet known how long new drugs on the market, including flakka and synthetic cannabis, stayed in a user’s system.
“We know these drugs, cannabis and methamphetamine; have a very deleterious effect on your driving performance,” Mr Leibie said.

“No doubt they will have an effect and impact on their ability to drive safely.
“But what we can’t say is that by taking the drugs it means the user is impaired.

“A roadside drug test alone cannot be considered evidence of impairment. Police collect a saliva sample and that goes back to the lab which is built around Australian standards.
“There’s a big push from unions for workplace drug testing to be saliva testing instead of urine is because then the results aren’t about what the person did on the weekend. They’re only about whether or not workers are at risk or going to impact others.”

Mr Leibie’s comments came after NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge slammed NSW Police over the use of roadside saliva drug tests and claimed documents obtained by the NSW Greens under freedom of information laws revealed there was no proof the tests were effective.

“They show there is no lower limit of drugs detectable in the saliva of people subjected to the roadside oral drug tests, and no proof the tests are effective in preventing crashes,” Mr Shoebridge said.
Mr Shoebridge told news.com.au the tests were “a waste of money” that undermined the legal system by “making it a de facto criminal offence of having potentially minuscule quantities of drugs present in your system”.

He said the saliva tests sent by police to labs were screened for the presence of drugs but failed to test for drug levels.
“They’re testing for a trace element sensitivity whereas it needs to be for levels and then we can be a fully informed public,” Mr Shoebridge said.
The FOI documents showed the tender to provide the screening kits was worth $6 million over four years to 2018.

“Despite four decades of police having the war on drugs they haven’t had a measurable impact on society,” Mr Shoebridge said.
“We need to have roadside drug testing that tests for all drugs and for impairment.
“Without that it’s a grossly misguided policy.”

Assistant Commissioner John Hartley of the Traffic and Highway Patrol Command, told Fairfax the tests were “a strong program aimed at deterring people who take illegal drugs from driving a motor vehicle”.
“Between 2010 and 2014, 14 per cent of all fatalities involved a driver or rider with an illegal drug in their system,” he said.
One in three tests this year has returned a positive test result in NSW alone, compared to one in 300 alcohol tests.
More than 30,000 roadside drug tests are carried out in NSW each year, with that number set to increase to 97,000 by 2017.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...r-a-wild-weekend/story-fneuz9ev-1227557783376
 
25 ng/mg of thc is pretty low. Usually the cutoff is 50 ng unless you are dealing with somewhere that is super strict (like getting a job for the feds). Even most probation and everything is 50 ng bc of false positives.
 
Yeah well I'm still unsure if I would pass from being stoned the night before.

So say I have a session with my vape at 9pm and the next morning I drive at 9 am and get pulled over for a rsdt and get saliva tested, will I pass?
 
Not guaranteed but there is a good chance you would. Swab tests are friendliest for weed out of them all. Brush, listerine, peroxide. Usually 12 hours and your good sometimes less but occasionally not.
 
Not guaranteed but there is a good chance you would. Swab tests are friendliest for weed out of them all. Brush, listerine, peroxide. Usually 12 hours and your good sometimes less but occasionally not.

Cheers, I may as well get in the habit of doing that each time before I head out in the car in the mornings. I brush before I go of course, but I might get back into doing the listerine mouth wash as well before I go, what's the peroxide part, is that just found in some toothpastes?
 
I'm just glad they don't test for opiates. I have driven when id probably still be positive for a cannabis test, but in all those cases it'd be only a trace amount.
 
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