Aus - Fake drug lobby says highs 'like wine'

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Aus - Fake drug lobby says highs 'like wine'

THE lobby group for synthetic drug retailers says artificial highs are no stronger than two glasses of wine, despite user reports of panic attacks.

The Eros Association's public relations campaign comes only weeks after Sydney teenager Henry Kwan jumped to his death from the third floor of his home under the effects of an LSD-like substance bought online by a high school friend.

The 17-year-old North Shore schoolboy's death prompted the NSW government to extend its interim ban on artificial hallucinogens.

A month before the tragedy, Queensland became the first jurisdiction in Australia to ban any synthetic that mimicked the effects of an illicit drug.

There are now calls for a federal ban.

Eros this week described synthetic drugs as a "social tonic", releasing a survey of its retail members.

"They mostly have a mild psychoactive effect which is generally one where people do not lose control of their personality or consciousness," it said.

It quoted anecdotal evidence estimating that three-quarters of legal products sold produced a "psychoactive effect that is no stronger or more intense than a couple of glasses of wine".

But a 25-year-old Brisbane professional says he will never try legal synthetic marijuana again, after a bad experience with a product known as 'incense', which a mate bought from a sex shop.

"The high didn't last as long as actual marijuana but it was far more intense," he told AAP.

"It was fun at first but after a rollercoaster of emotions I was left with some pretty intense anxiety and panic attacks.

"It might be fine for some but it certainly didn't sit well with me."

Eros chief executive Fiona Patten said Henry Kwan's death was not connected to legal synthetic highs.

But she declined to guarantee products sold legally were safe. Products such as 'kronic', 'skunk' and 'black widow' continue to be sold.

"Without regulation, it's very hard to give any guarantee," she said.

The product Henry took was not the kind sold legally at Australian adult shops.

"That substance was actually illegal, almost completely around Australia," Ms Patten said.

"It was not bought at a retail level. It was bought from a Chinese website offshore and delivered from overseas."

Brisbane-based criminal solicitor Patrick Quinn, from Creevey Russell Lawyers, says Queensland's three-month-old amendment to existing drug laws, which was actually flagged by the previous Labor government,

could see young people jailed for possessing synthetic drugs.

"With that comes the possibility of prison, not just monetary penalty," he told AAP, adding the legal changes were yet to be tested in a courtroom.

Eros says average age of synthetic drug users is 33 in metropolitan areas and two years older in the regions.


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artificial highs are no stronger than two glasses of wine,

Really ignorant premise to be arguing about.
It is nearly impossible to say X is stronger than Y without taking dose and ROA (and many other factors) into account. Mostly futile.
A large dose of water can kill you.
A tiny dose of LSD won't affect you.

Edit: I will specify a "tiny dose of LSD" in the purpose of harm reduction.
I define such a dose as 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000331 grams
 
the medias apprehension in naming the product or substance directly while having no qualms in highlighting others is concerning and of no benefit in ensuring the publics best and safe interest.

...kytnism...:|
 
Edit: I will specify a "tiny dose of LSD" in the purpose of harm reduction.
I define such a dose as 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000331 grams

3.31 x 10^-46 grams is like one quatrillionth the mass of an electron.

For the record.
 
3.31 x 10^-46 grams is like one quatrillionth the mass of an electron.

For the record.

So he's wrong because a molecule of LSD is rather large and can not exist in such a small mass. Boo boo he who is not accurate!

But yeah the new "legal drugs" should not be considered safe especially in random mixes of herbs or powereds. I was unaware there could be a lobby for them.
 
The Eros Association is a sex party/association that are having a big whinge because of new laws banning the sale of legal highs, the eros association has alot to do with sex shops that were selling loads of the legal highs and making big bucks. Afaik anyway.
 
They make a lot of money from these "legal highs" because adult shops are struggling to survive due to the explosion of free porn tubes and such. I don't think it's terrible that they are trying to protect their livelihood by lobbying for less restrictions on drugs. Even though their motivations are pretty much purely financial, I don't think that's such a bad thing if they can get drug laws relaxed.

While I've never used these crappy legal highs, I think if people want to use them, they should be allowed to. I think all drugs should be legal, it should be up to the user to decide if they want to use them or not.
 
I agree that people should be allowed to use them I just think "as safe as wine" or declaring any drug as "safe" is not wise. If you know what your doing and your product is not randomly sprayed on whatever or mixed in unknown methods with a topical anesthetic then please indulge.

That's cool that they lobby for that sort of thing. Good for them.
 
I think we need to stop this business of pretending people aren't using these products to get high. The laws force people to use these unlabeled random novel chemical cocktail sprayed on whatever. The gov't knows best though. Prohibition is to protect us, if it's legal it's safe! Snort bathsalts; smoke cigarettes and spice; pop benadryl and apap; chug alcohol, robotussin, and coffee; erryday!
 
The drugs they are talking about that these shops sold included synthetic 'noids, but also many more packets of RC's sold under many different names with many differing RC's -

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ZOMBIE drugs being sold as legal highs despite their deadly contents are causing Queenslanders to go on psychotic and naked rampages.

Police fear Schoolies Week teens will risk their lives taking new batches of the potent drugs known as "bath salts" and other potentially killer substances sold online and over the counter.

The illegal drugs are incorrectly claimed to be safe, but have been linked to the leg amputation of a Mackay adult shop employee.

He reportedly went into a violent fit of rage, stripping off his clothes and trashing the store.

"We've had incidents where people have injured themselves severely, stripped naked, trashed premises, ended up with broken legs," drug squad Detective Superintendent Steve Holahan told The Sunday Mail.

"We've had them run through plate-glass windows, attack police cars, self-harm."

Police this week raided adult shops, tobacconists, alternative stores and homes in the southeast, seizing 4.2kg of synthetic drugs with a street value of $147,000 in a bid to stop the supply of harmful designer drugs.

In the most recent suspected bath salts incident this week, a man, 34, jumped over the counter of a Hungry Jack's store at Mt Sheridan Shopping Centre in Cairns, after ordering food earlier in the night.

He had been rambling incoherently to staff members. One told The Sunday Mail: "He didn't make any sense at all."

The man got into a struggle with a police officer called to the restaurant and became abusive before biting him on the arm just after 9pm on Wednesday.

At the watchhouse, police used capsicum spray on the man after he attacked another officer, chipping his tooth.

At least one Australian has died after using "bath salts" and there have been numerous other deaths and incidents worldwide, including US "cannibal attacks" such as a man biting off a chunk of a neighbour's face.

Another man was restrained in a face mask when he tried to bite police officers, saying "I'm going to eat you".

Shipped from China, the United Kingdom and United States, the packets are sold as "legal highs" to teens and adults in legitimate stores such as sex shops and tobacconists and online for as little as $35 a gram.

They are commonly falsely labelled "bath salts", but actually contain synthetic drugs aimed at mimicking methampthetamines or cocaine.

Users have snorted, eaten, smoked and injected the drugs.

"It does cause extreme panic attacks, paranoia, psychosis," Supt Holahan said.

In a bid to cut off the supply, police are using forensic chemist analyses to prove the psychotic potency of the synthetic drugs for evidence in court cases against suppliers and manufacturers.

Symptoms include psychosis, paranoia, violence, agitation, hallucinations, increased body temperature and confusion which can sometimes last for days depending on the dose.

Advertised on eBay, in anonymous "dark web" portals and on fly-by-night websites, the drugs can easily be purchased.

Drug manufacturers routinely alter compounds - a new drug is on the street every week in Europe - to try to get around state and national laws and suppliers are paying for solicitors to argue they are legal.

Police must prove the drugs have a chemical structure and intended pharmacological effect that is "substantially similar" to scheduled dangerous drugs.

Wanted fugitive and software millionaire John McAfee was this week linked to online comments saying he was a "huge fan" of one of the better-known drugs in "bath salts" - MDPV (Methylenedioxypyrovalerone).

Mephedrone and methylone have also been found.

Queensland police seizures of MDPV have skyrocketed, with 63 cases last year compared with eight the previous year.

Police fear a drug recently found in "bath salts" called Alpha-PVP (Alpha-Pyrrolidinovalerophenone) could be just as deadly as MDPV and has already had dire consequences.

A Mackay adult shop employee last month binged on "Hoe" packets from wholesaler "Smokin' Slurrie Incense" and stripped off his clothes and trashed his workplace.

Previous testing of drugs in the "Hoe" packaging found Alpha-PVP.

He was found by police with a broken and infected leg, with 10 opened packets of the drug.

"We believe at this stage it (Alpha-PVP) is a derivative of MDPV, which is commonly referred to as bath salts only because it has been packaged before it has been imported and labelled bath salts," Supt Holahan said.

"But it is actually a very, very, dangerous drug."

During this week's police raids seizures included bath salts but also other synthetic drugs.

An Ormeau couple were arrested with boxes of drugs containing packets labelled "bath salts" - also from wholesaler "Smokin' Slurrie Incense".

The packets had different names, including "Hoe", "Slut", "Slappa", "Mingah" and pictures of women in lingerie.

Police will allege the couple distributed the drugs across the state and also to New South Wales, including a Nauti and Nice store which sold "Smokin' Slurrie" drugs to a man who later died.

Truck driver Glenn Punch, 44, bought the drugs from the store last month for $150.

He injected it twice with his girlfriend Rachael Hickel after tasting it and believing it was weak.Ms Hickel, who was found with no top on hundreds of metres from her partner, said they thought they were taking a herbal product.

The push of new designer drugs comes as Queensland is hit with an ecstasy drought, with forensic tests finding scarce amounts of the supposed euphoric ingredient partygoers crave - MDMA or methylenedioxymethamphetamine.

Chemists have found more than 20 different types of drugs in pills sold as "ecstasy" this year.

"We're seeing very little MDMA," Supt Holahan said.

"People think they are buying ecstasy.

"There has been a drought out there for some time and people are just pushing other stuff.

"We've got information from forensic chemists where some of these tablets and substances have up to seven different stimulants and illicit substances."

Supt Holahan said people were taking four or five different drugs in some cases, or dosing up to five times on the same drug, because they took time to have effect.

"The dangers are people say I've taken one but nothing's happened. Let's take another one or have alcohol," he said. "People end up taking four or five"

"Certainly a lot of these new tablets, whether they be powder in capsules or pressed tablet form, we've found the majority of them don't contain the so-called illicit substances that people think they are buying.

They do contain chemical compounds, sometimes even poisons."

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I gotta take out these prices!!


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I'm all for drugs being sold and legal and everything, but I'd want to know exactly what I was buying, most of this stuff, if not all, had no ingredients listed.

'Like wine' my ass.
 
indeed. and citing mcafee as a source (when he is six feet under, rip) doesnt deem the story any more credible.

if anything, highlights the complete opposite as mcafee was never a proactive advocate of these substances while alive.

...kytnism...:|
 
If they were legal, they would then be able to put the ingredients on the packages...

I believe they don't put what is in them in order to buy them time, have a reasonable doubt if a chemical gets banned, or temp banned as happened recently, shop owners/police don't simply look at the ingredients and pull them from the shelves. It's not ideal, but I think it's only because they aren't legal that makes them dangerous.

It's like a game of cat and mouse, but it shouldn't be and wouldn't be if they successfully lobbied to get certain chemicals available to responsible adults who want to use them. It's usually kids that do stupid shit like double or triple drop, drink a shitload on them and then go on to do crazy shit. I know that these episodes aren't exclusively done by kids, but certainly it's the majority.

I just don't think EROS/The Sex Party should be labelled as bad because they are looking to make a profit, that would make pretty much the entire world, including every single party in politics deserving of the same criticism.
 
I believe they don't put what is in them in order to buy them time, have a reasonable doubt if a chemical gets banned, or temp banned as happened recently, shop owners/police don't simply look at the ingredients and pull them from the shelves. It's not ideal, but I think it's only because they aren't legal that makes them dangerous.

Yeah sounds logical.
 
Also, what the fuck does the title mean?

"Fake drug lobby says..."

Is that a lobbyist exclusively for "fake drugs", is it a lobby group that is fake? Something else? It doesn't really make much sense to me... they could have been more controversial by saying something like "EROS, the hardcore c** porn lobby group that wants all kids in school to have sex with their teachers say that all harmful drugs are like a glass of a low alcohol content wine".

I suppose that wouldn't fit on their content management system though.
 
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