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ATTN all BLers: Answering threads which clearly violate BL guidelines

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djsim

djsim

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OK people, this is a classic example of what I have been nicely asking people not to do for months now.
OP asks a drug testing Q, something clearly against the rules. By answering these Qs, which you know are cleary against the BL OD guidelines, you are encouraging this shit to continue, because posters know an answer will get to them before the mods close the thread.

If i took suboxone today 4 mg thursday morning at around 8 ...

OP said:
And got a suboxone piss test by my sub doctor tomorrow will I be positive for suboxone? I"m suppose to take 24 mg a day but thats to much would he be able to tell i wasn't taking that much?
I need to know ASAP i posted in mega thread but no response.
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Doubtful. You will test positive and I highly doubt he will run a detailed enough screen to determine how much you are taking.

BL does not allow drug testing question but I feel that policy is contrary to the harm reduction mission since DT's contribute significantly to the social and economic harm associated with drug use. Therefore I answered but do not expect this to stay open.
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OP said:
word, thanks man. Hope i don't test positive for the heroin on monday haha. But that would be given in another test. Hopefully, i won't get tested at all.
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This has to stop, and from here on in (with a grace period of a week or so), anyone who decides not to inform OP that the Q is against guidelines (and nothing more) will be dealt with accordingly. And please, report the post so mods can close it.

If anyone disagrees with this then let me know (I'll leave this sticky unlocked until the grace period ends in a week). But I really can't see how anyone can disagree with improving the quality of OD material by filtering out that which is not suitable, nor pertinent to harm reduction in any way. If people need want to beat a drug test, then they shouldnt use drugs. If people need pill IDs, they can use pillfinder.com. And if people want to scam doctors, they can simply GTFO cos that is not what BL is about at all.

Thanks for the co-operation.

djsim
 
If every thread that violated some rule were deleted, there would be no threads.

It's not in a recreational drug user's nature to strictly follow rules.
 
Binge Artist said:
If every thread that violated some rule were deleted, there would be no threads.

It's not in a recreational drug user's nature to strictly follow rules.
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That's not true. It's one thing to admit to past use, it's another thing to violate the guidelines. A lot of what is posted here is in a gray area, but bluelight really is about harm reduction. I think a lot of people have a hard time grasping this concept. Yes, we allow some threads about drug use/abuse, but only to promote safer usage.

Some rules are in place to protect users from incriminating themselves. It should be in a recreational drug user's best interest to worry about such things.
 
It's not in a recreational drug user's nature to strictly follow rules.
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Binge Artist is clearly correct. Or has someone legalised MDMA ?

It would be patently ridiculous to assert the opposite - that it *is* in a recreational drug user's nature to strictly follow rules.

The view of many people living in Europe, where we do not have random or mandatory drug testing schemes... is that the USA is heading in a dangerously totalitarian direction. It looks like you're inflicting these tests on hundreds of thousands of people,.. imposing countless job loses and criminal prosecutions.... just so your right wing politicians can look good on TV.. and win some votes.

So with this in mind.. i have to say these words, from "Long-time BLer" - whoever that is, seem balanced:

BL does not allow drug testing question but I feel that policy is contrary to the harm reduction mission since DT's contribute significantly to the social and economic harm associated with drug use.
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'Long-time BLer' actions are clearly guided by his/her own conscience... his/her own best judgement of how the goal of 'Harm reduction' might be best served. Surely, conscience should always be preferred to a slavish devotion to a rule book.

So when a site rule apparently breaches the site's overarching 'Harm Reduction' principle... how is that handled ? Recriminations.. or discussion ? Surely the latter is preferable.

Is there a danger that 'rule compliance' is being pursued at the expense of Harm Reduction ? Perhaps Harm Reduction is a glib rhetoric ... ?

Politely, I'd like to suggest that you: Think about it.

best wishes

zurich
 
It's been clearly defined many times by Mods, Sr. Mods, and Admin - a consensus, you would say - that teaching someone how to beat a drug test is NOT harm reduction, or at least, not the type of harm reduction we work with here at BL - hence the closure of the Drug Testing forum, although all the material with-in can still be viewed (another reason there is no need for these types of questions - it's all been covered ad nauseum). Our goal is safe drug use, not how to use without suffering the consequences in other areas of life. We do deal with certain aspects of life that are directly related to drug use, but not getting a job or going back to prison because of a drug test can only be handle one way in the eyes of harm reduction: by not using drugs.

In fact, I would go so far to say it is our duty to impress the severity of the consequences of drug use upon our members. What better way to help someone be safe with drugs than to tell them the truth about what will happen when they do?

Yes, we all love drugs and want to be high 24 hours a day and all that crap, but certain drugs can ruin lives. It is NOT BL's fault that Americans are so "totalitarian" about drug tests. I agree, random drug tests are a pain in the ass, but hey, they happen regardless. We (BL as a whole) can't control that. We are also not an American forum, so I don't see what America's policy on drug tests has to do with anything to begin with.

Look, we're not going to let this turn into a debate about the validity of drug testing questions on BL. Actually, it's not a debate at all. djsim has pointed out something that every moderator on this site hates. The difference now is that we are going to be more strict about it.
 
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I disagree in specific cases where someone asks questions that cannot be answered by Google searches and do not ask about how to violate a law (or cheat the tests).

I'm not saying I plan on continuing to answer questions like these, just that you asked for people who disagree to let you know. No disrespect intended.
 
thank you djsim, we really needed this....i'll do my part and i hope all are other members do the same :)
 
Mango- go back to the page where you found this thread, and read down about 4 threads... It'll say GUIDELINES and POLICY'S-- Or something like that. Shit. I just read the title 5 seconds ago, and can't friggin remember it...
 
mango salsa said:
I am new here, how do I find the "rules" section in this forum?
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The rules of each forum are stickied at the top for all to see.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=374203


I think if if every Bler used that 'report' button more often this wouldn't be such a big problem. Granted, I dont spend as much time in OD as I do the other fourms, but I still report any and all posts that break the rules, I suggest everyone here get more aquainted with that button.
 
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^i second this notion.

unlike some idiots were saying a little while ago, reporting a thread is not "snitching". OD forum has rules that have to be followed, the rules are there for a good reason. if this site can't cater your questions or queries there is plenty of cyber space out there to help.
 
zurich said:
Binge Artist is clearly correct. Or has someone legalised MDMA ?

It would be patently ridiculous to assert the opposite - that it *is* in a recreational drug user's nature to strictly follow rules.

The view of many people living in Europe, where we do not have random or mandatory drug testing schemes... is that the USA is heading in a dangerously totalitarian direction. It looks like you're inflicting these tests on hundreds of thousands of people,.. imposing countless job loses and criminal prosecutions.... just so your right wing politicians can look good on TV.. and win some votes.

So with this in mind.. i have to say these words, from "Long-time BLer" - whoever that is, seem balanced:



'Long-time BLer' actions are clearly guided by his/her own conscience... his/her own best judgement of how the goal of 'Harm reduction' might be best served. Surely, conscience should always be preferred to a slavish devotion to a rule book.

So when a site rule apparently breaches the site's overarching 'Harm Reduction' principle... how is that handled ? Recriminations.. or discussion ? Surely the latter is preferable.

Is there a danger that 'rule compliance' is being pursued at the expense of Harm Reduction ? Perhaps Harm Reduction is a glib rhetoric ... ?

Politely, I'd like to suggest that you: Think about it.

best wishes

zurich
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I see where you are coming from and this is why I have left the sticky open to debate - rather than closing it and leaving it there, because I'm a mod and I say so - because we are a community who work together in the best interests of the vast majority of members involved.

But I cannot see how helping someone beat a drug test is harm reduction. It can be argued either way I suppose: help them beat the test and they keep their job, or better yet, close the thread so the consequences of their drug use gives them a wake up call.

Yes this is a gray area, it never is black and white with anything. But I didn't make the guidelines. The guidelines are in place to ensure the high quality of BLers who have vast knowledge which serves a greater purpose. When BL starts letting people off the hook for breaking guidelines, standards slip, and that's when the people who care about what BL stands for start caring less. Then as we lose good ppl to slipping standards, what do we have?

The rules are there for good reason, and it is for that very reason that BL is the best place on the internet for harm reduction. Even when the media does us in a story (not always by name), they generally always point out that not all drug forums are about cooking meth and such.

And as someone said above, just cos we use drugs doesn't mean the rules need to be broken. In fact, BL is here to dispel that myth altogether and show that the dangers of drugs shelled upon us are only due to the harm imposed by prohibition. Let's all show that drug users aren't immoral junkies as those in power would have you think; they are doctors, pharmacists, PhDs, students lawyers, and possibly even your brother or sister.

Anyway, that's enough of that for now. Let the opinions keep coming in
 
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