Assisted Suicide - How Is It Not A Common Thing?

[t_xeplionhell]

Like, on a fundamental level, they're pretty much just thinking that you would have to be suffering from some kind of delusion to ever want to kill yourself. That you could never want that if you were in a state of mind where you can actually consent to something so serious.

How some of them are convinced of that thinking, is a delusion. How some want to do it because they are suffering unimaginably is an unknown fact for those who don't understand It. We live in a world full of hidden delusions because many share them and a shared delusion can't be seen as a delusion.

 

[t_xeplionhell]

Pseudo-scientific consensus is capable of being the worst kind of seed and a source of delusions. History has proved it, and now it's at its worst stage, while almost nobody is noticing anything of significance, and I'm speaking of people who work in the system not people who use the system, these are utterly clueless, while people who rule the system are mostly puppets of money and bureaucracy.

 

[toe]

Because often wanting to die is a temporary sensation that has solutions other than killing yourself. Making suicide easier still does not make it a better option.

I hate it when people pull out this " it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" axiom. I've been living with serious mental illness for over 40 years. It's not a temporary problem.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

I hate it when people pull out this " it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" axiom. I've been living with serious mental illness for over 40 years. It's not a temporary problem.

Agreed

Yet, assuming there is no awareness in any form after death...then there will no experience or awareness of relief which renders suicide less useful, useless even

 

[Foreigner]

I hate it when people pull out this " it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" axiom. I've been living with serious mental illness for over 40 years. It's not a temporary problem.

I said often, not always.

The laws ensure that maximum help is offered, leaving no stone unturned. Everyone quietly understands that if someone truly wants to die, they're eventually going to do it. But at least interventions can do the maximum to try and prevent it.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

California End of Life Option Act (EOLOA)

Our compassionate team helps terminally ill adults understand and explore their options, including the End of Life Option Act. We offer guidance and support.

www.uclahealth.org

California allows this option for terminally ill adults.
I would wager you don't see that expanded because there are clear ethical issues for other cases.

It is bullshit. I’ve personally known two people hospitalized with cancer that only ended up living a few more weeks and they were fighting like hell for assisted susicide and were denied even upon appeal

 

[fairnymph]

I blame Christianity, which overvalues all human life. Most other religions as far as I know allow for suicide and even see it as honourable in certain scenarios. When I can no longer contribute, I would like to end my life, or have someone end it for me if I am unable to. I don’t want to burden my descendants or society. Vikings would throw themselves off cliffs in such a situation. Suicide can be an altruistic act, and euthanasia especially can be incredibly compassionate. My father developed Alzheimer’s that progressed very rapidly. He spent over a decade living in a shack in Panama, essentially on his own, with no real awareness, just surviving like an animal. I know that he would have preferred a clean death before his mental state had deteriorated to the point where he was no longer remotely himself. I don’t like the idea of government assisted suicide because I can easily see it being misused. But I think that a cultural shift towards honouring suicide/assisted death in the appropriate situations would be fantastic. Maybe this is already happening and MAID in Canada is just it manifesting in an already corrupt government.

 

[princessice78]

I hate it when people pull out this " it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" axiom. I've been living with serious mental illness for over 40 years. It's not a temporary problem.

I have also lived with mental illness my whole life and I do not understand why we are given no choice to be born and can't pick our own time to go. I didn't ask to be here and I should be able to choose when I want to be done. Cuz trust me the last month or so haven't been very good so I would have been in line

 

[fairnymph]

I have also lived with mental illness my whole life and I do not understand why we are given no choice to be born and can't pick our own time to go. I didn't ask to be here and I should be able to choose when I want to be done. Cuz trust me the last month or so haven't been very good so I would have been in line

I personally believe that we are given a choice to be born, but of course there’s no proof of that. Regardless everyone should have the right to end their lives, if they can’t contribute, or once they have paid off their debts to society (since it takes resources to raise people). Sorry to hear you are so unhappy. It is however possible to live a happy and fulfilled life despite mental illness. I hope you get what you want, whatever that is.

 

[Jeanpauldash]

i need one...but like just a fast one not the one you pay for. the government is murdering me with lying and not giving me a surgery...i wont talk about it. theres disease erupting in my body with a tumor they wont remove, are lying about it

 

[Jeanpauldash]

i can hardly walk around, ive got pains all over my body and weird feelings in my brain and skin. my throat feels scratchy itchy and fuzzy and im coughing. why did you make me come here? i dont like it. telling me i have to leave and then telling me to trust some site. why out of state? no. i dont care. theres no excuse for it. the black outs and the debits. no excuse for it. i dont like you either. i dont like any of you, i think youre fucking scum

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I blame Christianity, which overvalues all human life. Most other religions as far as I know allow for suicide and even see it as honourable in certain scenarios. When I can no longer contribute, I would like to end my life, or have someone end it for me if I am unable to. I don’t want to burden my descendants or society. Vikings would throw themselves off cliffs in such a situation. Suicide can be an altruistic act, and euthanasia especially can be incredibly compassionate. My father developed Alzheimer’s that progressed very rapidly. He spent over a decade living in a shack in Panama, essentially on his own, with no real awareness, just surviving like an animal. I know that he would have preferred a clean death before his mental state had deteriorated to the point where he was no longer remotely himself. I don’t like the idea of government assisted suicide because I can easily see it being misused. But I think that a cultural shift towards honouring suicide/assisted death in the appropriate situations would be fantastic. Maybe this is already happening and MAID in Canada is just it manifesting in an already corrupt government.

Would private assisted suicide be better? Even if insurance companies start requiring it for certain patients because that would be better for their profits?

 

[fairnymph]

Would private assisted suicide be better? Even if insurance companies start requiring it for certain patients because that would be better for their profits?

Good question. I’m not sure, but I’d guess it wouldn’t be a huge improvement. I’m VERY leery of insurance & don’t think that it should ever be required. I think we need to bring everything back to small-scale level, ideally family/community. But, I only know how to do that for my immediate community, by forming my own, because all the other options seem awful.

 

[Flynnal]

Assisted suicide, like abortion, to me is a basic human right. No one should be forced to suffer an incurable illness or unwanted medical condition when there are clear and valid options. Sadly, dying is one of those options, and it should be a legal option.

 

[jasperkent]

Assisted suicide, like abortion, to me is a basic human right.

I agree 100%

Obviously, all other options should be thoroughly explored & exhausted. But if I have an untreatable terminal illness, why should the government have the power to decide that I must continue to linger in pain as I die?

That is horrific and unconscionable.

 

[Flynnal]

I agree 100%

Obviously, all other options should be thoroughly explored & exhausted. But if I have an untreatable terminal illness, why should the government have the power to decide that I must continue to linger in pain as I die?

That is horrific and unconscionable.

I would just remove "terminal" in that question altogether, because untreatable and insufferable is really all that counts. Whether something is terminal or not is likely not relevant. In fact, if it isn't terminal it might actually be worse, since if it is terminal then death would occur and prevent any further suffering after that end point.

With what I am suffering from there is no end point. My end point would, sadly, have to be chosen by me and manually carried out. But because it seems I no longer have access to barbiturates (I used to have pentobarbital and vinylbarbital in quantities sufficient enough to realistically kill a horse) since the vinylbarbital was mistakenly put out in a rubbish box when I last moved to a new apartment, I guess I'm screwed.

The pentobarbital I ended up destroying. I was about to drink it back in 2020 (I'm a musician who was terrified I was going deaf, at least in one ear and I guess I probably am) but I changed my mind and down the toilet it went.

When I later went to look for the vinylbarbital I had a sudden epiphany that this backup option was missing. Then I realised that it was lost and gone forever because a box containing other junk was not at my new apartment that I moved into in 2015. Unless by happenstance I find another source I am pretty much at the mercy of the institutions and I know for a fact that they will never help me. They would prefer I use a terrible and/or painful method. Oh yeah, in 2015 I could of invested in Ethereum and made crazy, crazy, crazy money. Oh no, I didn't do that, so stemcells are out of the question, I hear there quite good for treating shit like this but I don't know. Wish I had millions to try and see if they would work. Funny how the government complains about unethical stemcells are when they are allowing people to suffer like this for no good reason.

Indeed it is unconscionable.

 

[fairnymph]

I would just remove "terminal" in that question altogether, because untreatable and insufferable is really all that counts. Whether something is terminal or not is likely not relevant. In fact, if it isn't terminal it might actually be worse, since if it is terminal then death would occur and prevent any further suffering after that end point.

With what I am suffering from there is no end point. My end point would, sadly, have to be chosen by me and manually carried out. But because it seems I no longer have access to barbiturates (I used to have pentobarbital and vinylbarbital in quantities sufficient enough to realistically kill a horse) since the vinylbarbital was mistakenly put out in a rubbish box when I last moved to a new apartment, I guess I'm screwed.

The pentobarbital I ended up destroying. I was about to drink it back in 2020 (I'm a musician who was terrified I was going deaf, at least in one ear and I guess I probably am) but I changed my mind and down the toilet it went.

When I later went to look for the vinylbarbital I had a sudden epiphany that this backup option was missing. Then I realised that it was lost and gone forever because a box containing other junk was not at my new apartment that I moved into in 2015. Unless by happenstance I find another source I am pretty much at the mercy of the institutions and I know for a fact that they will never help me. They would prefer I use a terrible and/or painful method. Oh yeah, in 2015 I could of invested in Ethereum and made crazy, crazy, crazy money. Oh no, I didn't do that, so stemcells are out of the question, I hear there quite good for treating shit like this but I don't know. Wish I had millions to try and see if they would work. Funny how the government complains about unethical stemcells are when they are allowing people to suffer like this for no good reason.

Indeed it is unconscionable.

We’d be able to regrow so much already if it weren’t for all the restrictions on stem cells! Sorry to hear about losing your stash - something similar happened to me.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I would just remove "terminal" in that question altogether, because untreatable and insufferable is really all that counts. Whether something is terminal or not is likely not relevant. In fact, if it isn't terminal it might actually be worse, since if it is terminal then death would occur and prevent any further suffering after that end point.

With what I am suffering from there is no end point. My end point would, sadly, have to be chosen by me and manually carried out. But because it seems I no longer have access to barbiturates (I used to have pentobarbital and vinylbarbital in quantities sufficient enough to realistically kill a horse) since the vinylbarbital was mistakenly put out in a rubbish box when I last moved to a new apartment, I guess I'm screwed.

The pentobarbital I ended up destroying. I was about to drink it back in 2020 (I'm a musician who was terrified I was going deaf, at least in one ear and I guess I probably am) but I changed my mind and down the toilet it went.

When I later went to look for the vinylbarbital I had a sudden epiphany that this backup option was missing. Then I realised that it was lost and gone forever because a box containing other junk was not at my new apartment that I moved into in 2015. Unless by happenstance I find another source I am pretty much at the mercy of the institutions and I know for a fact that they will never help me. They would prefer I use a terrible and/or painful method. Oh yeah, in 2015 I could of invested in Ethereum and made crazy, crazy, crazy money. Oh no, I didn't do that, so stemcells are out of the question, I hear there quite good for treating shit like this but I don't know. Wish I had millions to try and see if they would work. Funny how the government complains about unethical stemcells are when they are allowing people to suffer like this for no good reason.

Indeed it is unconscionable.

Fentanyl is everywhere so there’s that.

I agree with all of your points, especially about terminal illness not being a requirement.

I often wonder about the best method if the time comes. The lack of legal assisted suicide makes this barbaric, traumatic for the families left behind, and the suicide may not work and you will be left a vegetable that can’t even finish the job.

The most humane options I can come up with are

1) fentanyl overdose inside of a filled bathtub; possibly combined with slitting wrists on a non lethal fentanyl dose prior

2) jumping in front of a train.

I know that 1) will be the most humane and least painful. It has a higher failure rate though and potential to survivor with brain damage.

For 2) I don’t know what kind of pain or suffering is felt from instant traumatic injury such as decapitation by train or blowing your head off with a high caliber weapon, there may be moments of extreme pain involved there. But it has the lowest failure rate vs 1)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I blame Christianity, which overvalues all human life.

this is the core of so much of what is wrong with America. Assisted suicide is a big one though. The amount of people that have illegally killed their relatives is staggering. Cops even. I know 4 people personally that have done this for relatives. They could go to prison for decades for having the ultimate compassion.

Shit I found out recently that comedian Doug Stanhope euthanized his dying mom with a massive morphine overdose. He is now open about it since the statute of limitations for his prosecution is over.

One of the most tragic stories was a woman arrested and charged with murder or manslaughter because she held her husbands hand as he shot himself in the head. He was disabled with chronic pain and had his opioids he was on for 20 years cut off cold turkey after the CDC / dea crackdown on prescribing.

I hate Christianity so much it is truly a cancer