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Arseholes at parties.
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miss apple
Bluelighter
Originally posted by Tarsarlan:
I don't believe in PLUR either, not the easily spouted Drug-Induced Selective PLUR (DISPLUR - acronym courtesy of da kitten) that so many 'ravers' preach... I do however believe in Peace, Love, Unity and Respect... And I do try to uphold those ideals, and if people would stop dismissing them as nothing more than 'tired, hollow and hypocritical' then maybe PLUR wouldn't be so stigmatised...
Tars....PLUR wouldn't be so stigmatised if the attitude expressed in silvamoonchild's post didn't come up so often. It's this attitude and the 'Drug Induced Selective PLUR' which I find hollow and hypocritical, not the ideals themselves.
And I have to admit to being a little offended by your implication that because I find the 'raver' PLUR hypocritical that I don't try and uphold these, or similar values myself. I just don't have a cute sounding name for them that I can preach to everyone about.
Blah. I did have a better post written out but I just discovered that if you accidentaly press 'escape' while you're in this box that your post disappears.
I'm way too involved in this thread. It's upset me much more than it should have. But if this is the way Melbourne ravers think about people who act differently to how a 'raver' should act then I'm not going to fit in at all. I'll stick to my *gasp* Sydney clubs thanks. At least I know I can wear what I want and be who I want and people will accept me regardless. Without preaching about how 'jaded' or 'unplur' I am. I know it's surprising to a lot of you but friendly, nice, happy people exist everywhere...not just at raves.
Tarsarlan
Bluelighter
I don't want to offend you Apples, I know you're more than a decent person, I just wish some people (not just you) would differentiate between PLUR and DISPLUR, rather than just dismissing PLUR entirely...
I know no name is needed to label the ideals in order to uphold them, but there's also no need to for others to ridicule that label and subsequently the ideals themselves (not saying you do that apples, I'm directing this at everyone), because of a few individuals who seem to need drugs to be nice, and who fail to respect others who don't behave the same way...
Much like the word 'rave', the term 'plur' used to be a good one which made people think of the real ideals, but these days, because of the words and actions of both sides the word is tainted... Both those who preach PLUR, then turn around and act arrogant and insulting when you don't look/behave like them, and those who see someone dressed brightly carrying glowsticks and automatically assume they're drugfucked and are only nice when they're on drugs, are at fault... I'm fighting a losing battle trying to remove that taint tho... Hell, even I say 'fuck plur' quite a bit... But really, fuck displur... Peace, love, unity and respect, as well as honesty, compassion, generosity, humilty, etc, etc, etc are all ideals which we should all strive for... If people weren't so judgemental and prejudiced things might be different (and that's everyone, not just certain people from one or the other side)...
*gets off soapbox*
I'm kinda disappointed that you brought up the Melb vs. Syd thing apples, no-one else mentioned different states in their posts, and I can't even see anywhere where interstate differences are even alluded to ('cept for one of sunflower's posts)... I know for a fact the situation is exactly the same in Brisbane as it is in Melbourne, and I highly doubt its any different in Sydney...
*wanders away dejectedly*
[ 28 February 2002: Message edited by: Tarsarlan ]
I know no name is needed to label the ideals in order to uphold them, but there's also no need to for others to ridicule that label and subsequently the ideals themselves (not saying you do that apples, I'm directing this at everyone), because of a few individuals who seem to need drugs to be nice, and who fail to respect others who don't behave the same way...
Much like the word 'rave', the term 'plur' used to be a good one which made people think of the real ideals, but these days, because of the words and actions of both sides the word is tainted... Both those who preach PLUR, then turn around and act arrogant and insulting when you don't look/behave like them, and those who see someone dressed brightly carrying glowsticks and automatically assume they're drugfucked and are only nice when they're on drugs, are at fault... I'm fighting a losing battle trying to remove that taint tho... Hell, even I say 'fuck plur' quite a bit... But really, fuck displur... Peace, love, unity and respect, as well as honesty, compassion, generosity, humilty, etc, etc, etc are all ideals which we should all strive for... If people weren't so judgemental and prejudiced things might be different (and that's everyone, not just certain people from one or the other side)...
*gets off soapbox*
I'm kinda disappointed that you brought up the Melb vs. Syd thing apples, no-one else mentioned different states in their posts, and I can't even see anywhere where interstate differences are even alluded to ('cept for one of sunflower's posts)... I know for a fact the situation is exactly the same in Brisbane as it is in Melbourne, and I highly doubt its any different in Sydney...
*wanders away dejectedly*
[ 28 February 2002: Message edited by: Tarsarlan ]
Pleonastic
Bluelighter
Yeah, I wouldn't mind hearing where that Sydney vs Melbourne thing came from. As far as I could tell everyone was talking in general terms - that uncalled for swipe at Melbourne has really left me baffled.
Hardicus
Bluelighter
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Ok, i like having a chat with a "random" at a party, but I do set myself a few guidelines.
1. If they are really mashed, i keep the convo short, and have a bit of a chuckle at their expense.
2. If i feel a bit uncomfortable, i leave, freaky people freak me out.
3. If they aren't the sort of person i would normally enjoy talking to, i don't bother.
Normally i'm a very shy person, but if someone comes up to me and talks to me, i'm always polite and i enjoy talking to some people, but there is always awkward silences.
When chatting at a party, you could be just as happy talking to someone, but there's no awkward silences.
My conversations at parties are never based on drug talk though. If the person seems to really be digging the music, i'll leave them alone, but i'm always up for a chat about music and djs and previous parties future parties, and life in general.
Pleo , you say it's fake because that person wouldn't show you the same friendship in the morning. But i rarely even enjoy the company of my best friends on a comedown. If you were really convinced that the person was someone you would like to see again, get their number, and see them another time, somewhere "not-at-a-party."
I'm not jaded, so i still enjoy the whole PLUR thing. Hugs are definately out though, reserved purely for close friends.
Of course, if you're talking to someone who obviously doesn't care, leave them, why waste your time talking to a brickwall. Let them enjoy their night their way, and you yours. Everyone has different ideas on what makes a good night. Don't judge, just enjoy yourself.
That said, if the person is a wanker who is there purely to be mean (Pick fights, make others uncomfortable), then fuckem, i have no patience for hardasses, 'cos they rarely have the balls to enjoy themselves.
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I often go to raves, but i am NOT a raver.
1. If they are really mashed, i keep the convo short, and have a bit of a chuckle at their expense.
2. If i feel a bit uncomfortable, i leave, freaky people freak me out.
3. If they aren't the sort of person i would normally enjoy talking to, i don't bother.
Normally i'm a very shy person, but if someone comes up to me and talks to me, i'm always polite and i enjoy talking to some people, but there is always awkward silences.
When chatting at a party, you could be just as happy talking to someone, but there's no awkward silences.
My conversations at parties are never based on drug talk though. If the person seems to really be digging the music, i'll leave them alone, but i'm always up for a chat about music and djs and previous parties future parties, and life in general.
Pleo , you say it's fake because that person wouldn't show you the same friendship in the morning. But i rarely even enjoy the company of my best friends on a comedown. If you were really convinced that the person was someone you would like to see again, get their number, and see them another time, somewhere "not-at-a-party."
I'm not jaded, so i still enjoy the whole PLUR thing. Hugs are definately out though, reserved purely for close friends.
Of course, if you're talking to someone who obviously doesn't care, leave them, why waste your time talking to a brickwall. Let them enjoy their night their way, and you yours. Everyone has different ideas on what makes a good night. Don't judge, just enjoy yourself.
That said, if the person is a wanker who is there purely to be mean (Pick fights, make others uncomfortable), then fuckem, i have no patience for hardasses, 'cos they rarely have the balls to enjoy themselves.
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I often go to raves, but i am NOT a raver.
Fetish Jester
Bluelighter
The strange thing that happens with my group is that once we all get into it, we stick together and don't talk to anyone else, and no one comes and talks to us... It's strange, we give off an aura of "Don't come near us." The only other people we talk to is other bluelighters. It isn't an elitist thing, I guess it's a throwback to school when we were the group of "fags" who didn't want to play football and drink beer.
miss apple
Bluelighter
I guess I only brought up the Sydney Melb thing cause I'm considering moving down there. So a lot of my thoughts lately have been pros or cons for both cities. This thread disillusioned me a hell of a lot.
It was a mistake to bring up the comparison, but due to the fact that I don't know any Sydney people into the rave scene here I guess I made the mistake without really thinking.
This isn'ta melb sydney thing. It only is in my eyes cause at the moment everything is a melb Sydney thing while I try to decide where I want to make my home
I guess that's why I took this thread so personally
*apples wanders away to try and work out where she fits*
It was a mistake to bring up the comparison, but due to the fact that I don't know any Sydney people into the rave scene here I guess I made the mistake without really thinking.
This isn'ta melb sydney thing. It only is in my eyes cause at the moment everything is a melb Sydney thing while I try to decide where I want to make my home
I guess that's why I took this thread so personally
*apples wanders away to try and work out where she fits*
SiLvAmOoNcHiLd
Bluelighter
Originally posted by -Thoth:
It tipifies why most people out of their neon cliques don't adhere to this tired and hollow ideology...
tired hollow ideology... i am of the opinion that an ideology (ideas that form the basis of a political or economic theory) is what one makes of it.
i do beleive in what PLUR represents. i'm prepared to live my life loosly around it. it can't be tired when it has genuine fresh people who beleieve in its cause. it will never die.
i admitted that yes, my comments may have sounded bitchy (and i meant no offence to the person who initially made those comments) but it was my gut reaction.
u do realise that by making that post you illustrated many of my points raised. but thats beside the point.
i'd like to make peace--- i don't care for animosity between two strangers.
**offers hand** to thoth.
SiLvAmOoNcHiLd
Bluelighter
Originally posted by *sunflower*:
SiLvAmOoNcHiLd:
Jesus, yours is the kind of post I would expect from someone who still uses alternating caps.
oh yeah. thanx. lets box someone in and judge them on what underwear they wear next. jeeesus. RESPECT. look it up
SouL^ReapeR
Bluelighter
i agree with SiLvAmOoNcHiLd
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i beleive that plur is essential for the continued increase in social development. if we all just stayed there with our own friends, and didnt meet new people and hug everyone once and a while. for pete sake, show some love, have some fun, enjoy yourself, and try and be happy and help others be happy.
if you are not there to have a good time, then sit in a corner, and shut up and stay away from everyone else. i hate it when i go to a rave, and i say hi to someone, and they look at me all weird and then walk away,. it hurts, and it pisses me off.
so PLUR ON!!!!!
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i beleive that plur is essential for the continued increase in social development. if we all just stayed there with our own friends, and didnt meet new people and hug everyone once and a while. for pete sake, show some love, have some fun, enjoy yourself, and try and be happy and help others be happy.
if you are not there to have a good time, then sit in a corner, and shut up and stay away from everyone else. i hate it when i go to a rave, and i say hi to someone, and they look at me all weird and then walk away,. it hurts, and it pisses me off.
so PLUR ON!!!!!
miss apple
Bluelighter
good on you *sunflower*
*wipes brow* and here I was thinking - What a mean bunch of anti social pricks - I should just keep hiding and not introduce myself to Bluelighters ever! 
Hahah!
Being very shy and introverted naturally, I still find it quite uncomfortable for a stranger to come up to me and start being all 'lovey'... no matter how fucked I am!
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Hahah!
Being very shy and introverted naturally, I still find it quite uncomfortable for a stranger to come up to me and start being all 'lovey'... no matter how fucked I am!
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SiLvAmOoNcHiLd
Bluelighter
Pleonastic
Bluelighter
Someone posted this in the Main Social forum. I thought it was apt to put it here too...
Reading through the thread the thing i noticed the most is that (when not attacking each other) everyone seems to be so generalistic...
Why do you all have to fit ppl into boxes?
I have had experiences with ppl at parties that have been unpleasent, but i don't think it's because of the drug they were on or the "type of person" they are... That particular person was either too mashed, rude, or too full on and maybe only at that moment. So i refuse to judge someone else who may approach me by what has happened in previous experiences! We are all VERY different and that's what makes meeting people interesting.
I met my closest friends who i party with all the time now in a "random at a party" situation where they came up to me and we had a conversation. If i had taken the attitude that they would be more "annoying randoms" then i never would have had the wonderful times i have and still am having with them.
Except everyone for who they are, and don't pre-judge them so u dont find out who they are. As hard as it is and admitadly i don't always stick to what i am saying.. i'm not perfect.. but i try to give everyone a fair go.
I think physical contact like hugs should be kept for an appropriate moment tho, not when u first walk up to someone.
My personal thoughts only. No one is expected to convert to my way of thinking. Hope u can see some relevant points in what i am saying tho.
Why do you all have to fit ppl into boxes?
I have had experiences with ppl at parties that have been unpleasent, but i don't think it's because of the drug they were on or the "type of person" they are... That particular person was either too mashed, rude, or too full on and maybe only at that moment. So i refuse to judge someone else who may approach me by what has happened in previous experiences! We are all VERY different and that's what makes meeting people interesting.
I met my closest friends who i party with all the time now in a "random at a party" situation where they came up to me and we had a conversation. If i had taken the attitude that they would be more "annoying randoms" then i never would have had the wonderful times i have and still am having with them.
Except everyone for who they are, and don't pre-judge them so u dont find out who they are. As hard as it is and admitadly i don't always stick to what i am saying.. i'm not perfect.. but i try to give everyone a fair go.
I think physical contact like hugs should be kept for an appropriate moment tho, not when u first walk up to someone.
My personal thoughts only. No one is expected to convert to my way of thinking. Hope u can see some relevant points in what i am saying tho.
dr seuss
Bluelight Crew
...whoa...
australia chill the fuck out... when did all this pent-up anger come out the woodwork?
i mean, dayum... i go to parties, mainly sober now. and if someone wants a hug, they're gonna get a great big hug from me, and a handshake as well. i'm not wary of people, sober or fucked up. i think there is quite a division apparent between ravers and clubbers, and to be honest with you, what sets *us* apart from the rest of society is our openmindedness... at least i'd like to think so. clubbers / ravers always tend to view ourselves as being better or more enlightened; this is largely due to our drug intake but what's enlightened about reverting to tired cliches, ever-so-prepubescent cliques, and geographical divisions?
if someone comes up to me, and they're not scary, and they want a hug - well dayum. i'd love to still be on my honeymoon, but the party's drawing to a close for me. and that's going to happen to this random as well... if i can make their night a lil better then i think i will. what goes around, comes around.
peace
australia chill the fuck out... when did all this pent-up anger come out the woodwork?
i mean, dayum... i go to parties, mainly sober now. and if someone wants a hug, they're gonna get a great big hug from me, and a handshake as well. i'm not wary of people, sober or fucked up. i think there is quite a division apparent between ravers and clubbers, and to be honest with you, what sets *us* apart from the rest of society is our openmindedness... at least i'd like to think so. clubbers / ravers always tend to view ourselves as being better or more enlightened; this is largely due to our drug intake
but what's enlightened about reverting to tired cliches, ever-so-prepubescent cliques, and geographical divisions? if someone comes up to me, and they're not scary, and they want a hug - well dayum. i'd love to still be on my honeymoon, but the party's drawing to a close for me. and that's going to happen to this random as well... if i can make their night a lil better then i think i will. what goes around, comes around.
peace
Dr Seuss: god dayum (love that) I totally agree... Fuck responding to any particular post in here....
'Chill Winston.
Christ people, every one of us here is intelligent (argue that as you will on a case by case basis ) and looking at all this is making me shiver.
PLUR is a lovely ideal, but I dont think it would be possible to meet someone thats even slightly close to using it as a backbone by which they live... Its just not possible unless your entire possesions amount to a Combi Van and 500 kgs of dope with a bucket full of acid... Ya get me?
Secondly, why do we need to typify everything because we just cant. The only way we can comment on a 'scene' is to make huge sweeping generalisations about the 'type' of people we meet. But we are all individuals and so a generalisation cannot be applied without someone rebutting it indefinately...
I only say all this because I can see this as one discussion that will end up with:
"You have friend? I have friend! My friend put bomb under your car - blow you to fucking sky!!!"
Agree to disagree or something, pleace love n mungbeans, cyas on the dance floor and if I run up and hug you, hug me back, or say 'no thanks' and ill go 'cool'
'Chill Winston.
Christ people, every one of us here is intelligent (argue that as you will on a case by case basis
) and looking at all this is making me shiver. PLUR is a lovely ideal, but I dont think it would be possible to meet someone thats even slightly close to using it as a backbone by which they live... Its just not possible unless your entire possesions amount to a Combi Van and 500 kgs of dope with a bucket full of acid... Ya get me?
Secondly, why do we need to typify everything because we just cant. The only way we can comment on a 'scene' is to make huge sweeping generalisations about the 'type' of people we meet. But we are all individuals and so a generalisation cannot be applied without someone rebutting it indefinately...
I only say all this because I can see this as one discussion that will end up with:
"You have friend? I have friend! My friend put bomb under your car - blow you to fucking sky!!!"
Agree to disagree or something, pleace love n mungbeans, cyas on the dance floor and if I run up and hug you, hug me back, or say 'no thanks' and ill go 'cool'
THCPuffNStuff
Bluelighter
Personally i can't stand assholes at any place.. people who feel a need to pick fights, to ruin a nite by feedin their machismo etc. really don't belong anywhere.. but by the same respect people who subdivide themselves from the rest, who generate their own 'cool groups' and purposefully exclude themselves from outsiders so as to create a buffer region between themselves and the perceived randoms aren't too fantastic themselves. Admittedly its fairly human for us to want to be one up on the general public, to expound our hardcoreness and authenticity and therefore have greater claim to an ideal than that of a newcomer but it would be nice to feel welcome every now and then as a random. i'm very grateful for the kindness of some during certain events and have approached pplz more for company than anything else. not everything in life has to have an economic value (that is will this person be a lifelong buddy from my encounter or will he/she disappear once the come-down begins?) and often it is good to enjoy what it is, the brief and enjoyable company of a stranger. Well thats my 2c @ 2am..