ARGH! I dont know where to post this..HELP!..

[dovesmajik]

Tonight, being on yet another fiorocet binge I have found myself to be VERY crowded with questions. Hope fully someone can help me out.
After reading about *PHREEX* tragic loss ofa friend due to those fentynal strips I am curious as to how he CANNOT and WILL NOT blame the drug for her death? I have found that this belief stands firm with most of tha bluelight community. The beief that when a person gits hurt or even dies when theresa drug involved that its NOT the drugs fault, rather its the users. I just dont git this!.
Call me mainstream or old fashion or whut have yoo, but I believe that when a person OD's that it isa appropriate to place blame on the drug that was used. I look at it like this. If *PHREEX*
friend had not used those strips I PROMISE yoo that she would be alive and well today. Take the drug outa the picture and there woulda been no trip to the ER, no forms to fill out, and no funeral for friends and family to attend. I cannot understand how someone CANNOT place blame onna drug when someone OD'S. PLease someone explain this to me.
I kinda figure that im gunna git some responses that imply that drug education is the key. Which I somewhut agree with. I personally believe that taking all the money out of the DARE program and applying it to a drug education plan instead would be a wonderfull step for the US to take. However, I feel that seen as how so many drugs have become underground *such as the fentnyl strips* that it would be nearly impossible to teach ne one about safety. How can yoo educate bout a certain drug when hardly anyone even knows about it? Iunno'.
Lastly, I am personally sickened by the fact that *PHREEX* continues to use these strips after they IMO took her life. I have always been uncertain about the theory of life after death. BUT I must say that if there is, that this poor girl is probably SCREAMING and begging **PHREEX** to stop before he ends up like her. I KNOW that if I was exposed to having to watch my friend die, the way **PHREEX** did his, that I would be COMPLETELY turned off to drugs all together. I have never seen anyone OD and I hope it stays that way. Cuz I know if I did, I wouldnt be tha same person I am today.
BTW: This post was not meant to be a personal attack on *PHREEX*. I just thought that whut happened to him would be a good way to git my point across. *shrugs*
Comments are welcomed

 

[silence]

Because I have No Idea of what you are Talking about and You Mention *Phreex* several times in your post, therefore Im going to move this to "Other Drugs" where *Phreex* can Address this himself...

 

[scepter]

irie

Lastly, I am personally sickened by the fact that *PHREEX* continues to use these strips after they IMO took her life
Have you ever taken an XTC pill? People have died off those. Have you ever smoked a Cigarette? People die off those. Ever get drunk? People died from alcohol. Will you ever eat another fiorocet tablet? People have died off those before. You make many sweeping generalizations in your argument. Fact of the matter is you come from a different place than he does. You are a different person so therefore you will probably never understand why this person makes the decisions they do. I have had many really close people die throughout my life, some because of over doses. To me it is almost as if I have accepted the fact that as there is life so there is death. While death is a great tragedy it comes down to the fact that this person made their own decision to take the drug. I am sure that the man you speak of feels some sort of remorse for what has happened. Maybe they will learn to be more careful, or warn others to do the same. Something good can surely come from this tragic even! It just may not be the good YOU are looking for..
Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” who was it that decided to ingest the heroine that killed my best friend; I can tell you it wasn’t the drugs decision. People know the risks, if they don’t they should have been smart and done some research.

 

[sparklr]

alot of people need to blame something outside of themselves...
you seem like one of these people. *shrug*

 

[fairnymph]

A junkie is going to die sooner or later of an OD(presuming he or she never gets put in jail) no matter what....if it's not one drug it will be another.
What I am saying is, if that girl hadn't died from those strips, she probably would have died from a heroin overdose, or a fentanyl gel overdose, or something else...no one FORCED the girl to do drugs...she chose to do them out of her own free will...and unfortunately this led to her demise. How could the drug POSSIBLY be at fault? It's not like the drug jumped up and attacked her...the girl CHOSE TO TAKE IT.
You are getting distracted from the real issue here. You say that 'If she had not taken THE STRIPS she would have lived..." But the emphasis is wrong. Instead, you should be saying "If SHE had not taken the strips she would have lived..." Who (grammatically) is the subject of that sentence? Who is doing the action? "She" is, not the strips. So "she" is also at fault. And that is all there is to it.

 

[SovietContin]

Why would she have ODed eventually?
I've been using drugs for about a decade and I've only had one situation that even scared me. That was several years ago when the only thing that limitted my drug consumption was how much I could afford to use in a night. My typical weekend usually wound up costing several hundred dollars in drugs.
At any rate, I stopped all that years ago.
Since I have been using heroin steadily for the past year, I have only even ever thrown up twice. My tolerance is so high at this point I probably couldn't even afford to overdose. And quite simply, I don't over-do it in terms of how much I put into my body at once. And I have no desire to. I like to enjoy being high, and quite frankly, passing out inhibits my ability to enjoy the experience and when I wake up even after an hour or two of having nodded out, I don't feel high anymore, therefore it was a waste.
You also have to look at people like William S. Burroughs. I believe he lived to be 83 despite his infamous opiate addictions.
After all these years, it is still my opinion that one must either not care or truly be a moron to overdose.

 

[staind rose]

well, sovietcontin pretty much responded as i would have. yes, you can OD from opiates. no, being a junky DOES NOT mean you are ever gonna die or end up in jail. i know numerous junkies who live well and take care of themselves while using.
im suprised that you say that fairnymph, if you are going to say that about junkies you might as well say that about anyone that uses drugs is going to die eventually.
and i was going to kill myself about a year ago, decided to try heroin, and decided there was pleasure in this world...anyway. not its not the drug. it is the person, how they use it.

 

[dovesmajik]

Okie first I must state again that my post was NOT a direct attack on **PHEEX'S** loss. Again I just used the situation as an example to git my point across. Wow that rhymed HeH.
I EXPECTED to git this kinda response to my post. The replies that I have read thus far confirms that *most* people of bluelight believe that when a person OD'S the drug used is in no way at fault. I just cannot bring myself to agree with this belief.
**sceptor** said.. *~*Guns don’t kill people, people kill people*~*
Personally I beg to differ. Same as the fentnyl strips, take the GUN outa the picture and I PROMISE yoo that considerably less people would end up dying froma gunshot wound to tha face. Last time I checked, guns dont automatically fire off on their own. They fire off when a PERSON is standing behind them aiming, and then pulling the trigger. This to me is common sense. I must warn yoo that I am and always will be anti-gun. Yeah its true that people kill people. It unfortunately happens everyday. However, if a gun is not involved inna altercation then naturally theres gunna be a greater chance of survival. At least with knives and even straight throwing down the person would have some chance at defending themselves. With guns there is no chance at all.
**sparklr** said...
*~*alot of people need to blame something outside of themselves...*~*
Good point! This actually makes sense to me. Thinking bout it now, I can kinda understand why its irrational to place COMPLETE and TOTAL blame on a drug when a person overdoses. Dont git me wrong, I still believe that the drug is somewhut at fault, but maybe not completely? Take last night for example. Its was my CHOICE alone to go onna fiorocet binge. Noone FORCE fed me those pills. If something happened *god forbid* then yeah I can kinda see how my poor decision making could rightfully be blamed for my death. However,
if those pills were NOT eaten at all last night then there woulda been NO possibility at all for an overdose. I look at it like this. How could a person possibly die ofa drug overdose when there has been no drug ingested? Its impossible!
**FAIR** Much of whut yoo said depresses me..
*~*she probably would have died from a heroin overdose, or a fentanyl gel overdose, or something else*~*
This statement to me is SO sad. How do yoo know this to be true? For all yoo know she coulda gone on and lived a fufilling, happie, and productive life. But unfortunately it was cut short cuz of *yes i'll say it* poor judgement AND the fentnyl strips she used. Your statement suggests that yoo feel that she was destined to die. How can yoo assume this? Please explain..
*~* How could the drug POSSIBLY be at fault? It's not like the drug jumped up and attacked her..*~*
In making this statement yoo may as well say *It's not like the bullet jumped up and inbeded itself in tha teenagers chest*. I hope yoo realize that in order for the above statement to happen there must someway somehow be a gun involved. I am VERY well aware that drugs are inatimate objects and that they are incapable of jumping up anda attacking someone. I have already explained how I feel it IS possible to place blame onna drug and to be honest im feeling too lazy to be typin it up again. *shrugs
*~*So "she" is also at fault*~*
FINALLY we agree I think. Yoo mentiond *also*. So I assume yoo meen that blame can rightfully be placed on BOTH her and the drug? Iunno'.
Comments still welcomed.

 

[tathra]

IRIE i dont understand the point you're trying to get across. if guns didnt exist, of COURSE nobody would die from a gunshot wound. however, people would still be murdering each other in one way or another. putting guns into the equation just gives people a better, more effective option.
now, about the overdose issue... if the drug wasnt used, one couldnt OD on it. DUH. thats an obvious statement. but like above, that doesnt mean that drugs are bad. the way i see it, if somebody's time on earth is up, they're going to die one way or another, OD just happeneds to be one of those ways. if not that, it could be something else. what if they went outside and got hit by a car? its not the car's fault, and its not exactly the driver's fault (unless they intentionally ran 'em over). now, if cars did not exist, its obvious that nobody would die from being hit by a car. in truth, neither the person nor the drug is responsible for an OD, unless it was suicide. shit happens. there's no better way to put it.
its sad that phreex's friend lost her life because of ignorance, as she did not know how strong the powder contained in the strips was, but phreex did the responsible thing and gave everyone a warning about the potency and told everyone to be fuckin careful, with hopes of preventing future deaths.

 

[PhreeX]

She died because she didnt know how to dose the drug, the chemical is NOT TO BLAME and now this thread is being closed...
Look, its the /same shit (I believe) they use in the hospital - they simply get the ose correct...
I would really like it if youwouldemail me so we can continue this conversation..... you have MANY illogical points and I will glady addressthem, but this is not the place for this....
YOU CAN NEVER BLAMETHE DRUG!
Even shit like PMA can be used with care and can make for a good time....