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This may sound silly, but I'm having trouble snapping out of this. I've recently found myself with a lot of free time and over the past few months have been smoking weed more frequently than I ever have before. Thing is, yes I do enjoy it and yes I like the relaxation and I like the time-you-enjoy-wasted-wasn't-wasted thing but there has almost always been a deeply unsettling realization with these highs, mainly about my relationships with everyone, and, most specifically (and upsettingly) the boyfriend.
There's all this talk about drug-induced altered states of consciousness giving you the ability to access these inner reaches of your mind you wouldn't have been able to sober and all of that, but I just don't know the validity of that and was hoping to get some opinions. Drug-induced thoughts - are they real? Valid? Do they deserve to be dwelt on? How far should you look into them and just where can you leave them at 'oh I was just high', especially when they seem to make so much convincing sense?

I should add that though I do not have any diagnosable mental disorder like anxiety or depression (yet, probably), I have always been of a significantly negative predisposition and do find myself in the throes of unexplained panic attacks and such occasionally. And I'm always looking to get another perspective on things in my life, which is where I thought weed could come in - but is it just pushing me into sadness? Are all those thoughts not real and should I just work on shaking them off?

As I write this I feel like I can answer my own question - yes, weed (or just drugs in general) isn't for everyone - but I've spent so much time circling around those negative high thoughts that I really can't distinguish anymore weather they were 'real' and 'true' or weather I just convinced myself of them and have put myself in this awful place where I just don't even know anymore.

This has been a rambling. Basic question here: what are your opinions on thoughts arising from drug-induced altered states of consciousness, especially if they turn out negative more often than not?

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Just wanted to add that before I started a heavy, concentrated use, boyfriend and I were great. It was just the first initial seed of doubt whilst high that took root and wouldn't leave, and I don't know whether it's the weed that's to blame or if it was self-deception all along that I cracked into with it or just what. Help me, my brain is a whirlwind right now.
 
If these issues started at the same time as your heavy cannabis use, I think the best advice would be for you to take a break from smoking, maybe for a few weeks, and then reflect on how you feel. Yes high thoughts are 'real' but when you're high your mind is clouded, so you should always reconsider them when you're sober.
 
Hi there!

Firstly I would agree with Clocktower, a break from the weed might give yourself some clarity and insight into your thoughts, I would say that any thought you have while high is no less valid than those that occur while sober. Time off of the weed will let your thoughts settle and you can see what is really up, I would also suggest practising some basic breathing meditation when you have a little bit of time to yourself. I find that it does me the world of good (though it works even better after a joint) and I can really look at my life from a different angle.

Good luck!
 
they're as "real" as any other thought, tho are clearly the result of cognition operating in an "inebriated" manner (which means thoughts experienced during such times are not inherently more/less "real", or "better/worse" than sober thoughts, just different)

Whether such changes in cognition are enjoyable or dysphoric, are induced via pot or mushrooms, or are useful/life-changing or recreational/mind-numbing, are entirely dependent upon the set/setting, the compound(s) and the user. There is absolutely no one-size-fits-all in this area.
 
I kno exactly what u mean. I feel the same way. When I'm sober I'll view things one way and when I'm stoned I see it from a completely different perspective. This has been going on for years and just like you I don't know whether my thoughts are legitimate or just completely irrational

What kind of thoughts are u experiencing? Is it like "I wanna murder my family" or do u find urself second guessing your sober decisions when high. An example for me is I'll b pissed about something, get stoned, then realize how stupid the reason was for being pissed. Or I'll do something, get high, and be like "shit I shouldn'tve done that". These are just a few tho, it can vary

Personally I don't know what to make of it. I've been battling for literally years, and I've always wanted to ask a therapist about it but never got around and they prob wouldn't b much help anyway.

Cannibus changes the way your brain makes connections thus changing the way you think and view things. It allows you to view things in a different light and come up with ideas you wouldn't be able to sober. I think a portion of this is just the paranoid ramblings of me being high, but I think there's def some truth to it. You'll just need to decipher that for urself I guess, but to me, it's very common. And I don't have diagnosed medical disorders

I have one theory but it's kinda out there. Your subconscious could be making decisions for you to keep you from getting hurt and fucking up your brain chemistry. Sorta like a learned defense mechanism passed on thru evolution, but when your high your mind is less guided by secret inhibitions and it allows you to see things for how they really are. There's a reason ppl have been smoking weed since like the dawn of time.

My best advice would be any time you get one of those thoughts, write it down. Let's say it's about ur bf, Come back in a day or two when you hadn't smoked at all that day, and see how much sense that thought makes to you. Then keep that idea in the back of ur mind the next few times your with ur bf

I dnt think u need to stop smoking necessarilly, since I'm pretty sure I know exactly how u feel and I'm not insane in the membrane or anything

However I will give more credibility to thoughts brought upon by weed than those of dope or crack, MDMA etc... I almost know for a fact those are the drugs speaking

Damn that was long, if I was stoned I definitely wouldntve spent so much time on that. Think I need to get high
 
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The only thoughts I have when I smoke cannabis is that I'm an idiot and everyone else thinks the same. 8o I've always believed that frequent cannabis use can lead to depression, paranoia and long term mental health problems. I don't touch it.
 
Thanks guys for the help. Yeah, I'm definitely taking a break from smoking to kind of come around. Wolfmans_BrothEr, these thoughts are never as drastic as murder but they just generally take me on a negative spiral and lead me to believe things like he's not right for me, and the ways in which he's not, and how no one will ever fit the bill, and going back into childhood experiences to validate this ridiculously negative thought and ending with a kind of resigned acceptance that I'm doomed to loneliness.
...So yeah no more weed for me

Sigh - sucks when your mental condition forces you to be straight-edge
 
They're only your real thoughts if you think them in your own voice. If it doesn't sound like you thinking, look the fuck out.
 
^protip right there! yeah when they sound funny and are always asking for destructive acts, you should prolly tell someone you're outta the driver's seat >;]
 
I don't think they're necesarily true thoughts, but maybe just thinking in the opposite way. just to get the other picture, when sober we're blinded by our egos. but being high and paranoid isn't really the 'right' point of view. it's like getting high and thinking 'everyone knows!!!' when in reality maybe one person noticed and they only did because they smoke too.
 
Hey! I think that your thoughts that you have while high are real, and you are developing into a more acutely aware individual. When two different beings of consciousness send language-encoded sound signals to each other, there is a hell of a lot more going on behind the scenes than just the meaning of the words. I think you are beginning to pick up on peoples subtle energies, like what their true desires are. A lot of the time this can be a negative experience, because people have selfish motives, or they like to express dominance over others (usually because they show up on this planet not knowing shit, so they dominate others to feel more secure about their control over life). You are leaving your old happy-go-lucky, limited view of reality that some people stay firmly blanketed in their entire lives. It doesn't seem real because most people don't accept this or are aware of this, and the reason is that these things are hard to accept at first and easier to block out (but well worth it in the end).

I encourage you to pursue these thoughts, because it is you who is having them, not the weed. I also encourage you to question everything, don't limit yourself to the realm of social relationships. You'll quickly find out you're being manipulated and brainwashed everywhere. The weed is just helping to slowly reveal you to yourself. It definitely has merits sometimes, depending on the individual - it isn't always just a fun filled escape. It turns out in life that we're not who we originally thought we were, we're something beyond a bunch of labels like names and job titles and personality characteristics that are slapped onto us by people in the system. This type of behaviour is discouraged by the masses - aka drugs being illegal and demonized - basically because the government/people in control don't want you to know that you're brainwashed. They want everyone to conform to the same worldview to facilitate control.

You mention heavy use. For myself, heavy use means a half ounce to an ounce of high grade pot per week. If you're not there yet, and that seems unreasonable... this could be where you're headed. At that point it turns into abuse. While heavy abuse has been beneficial for my own spiritual transformation, it has been detrimental to both my body and mind. I have been heavily addicted at times, running into pretty severe withdrawal symptoms (puking up any food I try to eat for days, complete inability to sleep for a few days). At other times - during rough spots in my life - I have abused pot extremely heavily instead of facing my problems. These are all things to watch out for, Mary Jane can really screw you over if you don't keep an eye on her.

It sounds like you are doing ok, I'd stay true to your thoughts and it sounds like you might be smoking just a tad bit too much pot for your present self.
 
I'd say intoxicated ideas need a second times thought sober in the knowledge that you were intoxicated and were likely not thinking logically or were over-analysing.
Also as a lot of other say, take a break or just smoke less. If you've got a lot of free time as you say then find a hobby or just DO (idk clean your house, start exercise, do chores anything that is just activity) rather than getting stoned all the time, when you do things with your time other than getting high it makes the times when you do get high all the more rewarding.

Just tone it down, and maybe talk to your boyfriend about these thoughts it might just help.
 
laugh said:
If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?
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i'm sure you meant that tongue-in-cheek, but never understood that.. why wouldn't it? Is it supposed to be deep or something, like "what is sound if not heard by a human?" or somethign? meh.
 
bmxxx said:
i'm sure you meant that tongue-in-cheek, but never understood that.. why wouldn't it? Is it supposed to be deep or something, like "what is sound if not heard by a human?" or somethign? meh.
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haha flex, meh
 
Anything you think is your thought. It seems like there are those who want to call their drug consciousness "not real" in order to artificially distance themselves from what the drugs are showing them.

Then of course there is the existential side... are thoughts and reality "real" at all or just a magnificently orchestrated illusion?
 
this is why i only smoke weed while on some benzos, no deep introspective thoughts and negativity etc i can ctually just enjoy every moment of getting high

but to answer your question, yes they are real, just rethink it when you sober up the net day, you'll end up laughing to yourself about how daft them thoughts were and that when your stoned everything is magnified
 
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