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Truelove33

Truelove33

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My boyfriend passed away almost 4 weeks ago. He took his first hit of crystal 3 weeks prior to his passing. In those 3 weeks he hit the pipe hard. But never missed a day of work and slept on average of 6hrs at night (lunesta induced). I’m not educated about what the break down of cost/grams/intake so I’m not sure what’s excessive. Hundy every couple of days? Could use like that cause a healthy person to fatally overdose? Educate me please 🙏🏼
 
Truelove33 said:
My boyfriend passed away almost 4 weeks ago. He took his first hit of crystal 3 weeks prior to his passing. In those 3 weeks he hit the pipe hard. But never missed a day of work and slept on average of 6hrs at night (lunesta induced). I’m not educated about what the break down of cost/grams/intake so I’m not sure what’s excessive. Hundy every couple of days? Could use like that cause a healthy person to fatally overdose? Educate me please 🙏🏼
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Are you sure it was crystal and not crystal laced with Fentanyl?
 
Wouldn’t they have tested the Crystal the found at the scene? And he’d been smoking out of the same batch the night before?
 
Yea I thought this question was initially in regards to opiates, and for that answer I’d say it’s riskier for vets than newbies simply because when that inevitable day comes where a forced tolerance break occurs many times the person will use the same doses they did when tolerant.

As for meth and stimulants in general it’s more of wearing down on the bodily systems until one gives. It doesn’t even need to be a large dose to occur if ones beat on themselves enough through binging.

-GC
 
That's odd, it's very rare for a new user to die from meth. Your boyfriend might have had an underlying health condition.
What was the cause of death? Did he use other drugs as well (including prescribed medications)?
 
He just had a physical a few weeks before his death. 47 physically fit. Worked out took good care of himself. I’m only assuming overdose because I knew he had started using and cops found the pipe. The physical autopsy came back inconclusive. No physical signs of why death accrued. Waiting on the toxicology report. Sheriff said it could be up to 12 weeks. My mind wonders to maybe he was doing other things I wasn’t aware of 🤷‍♀️
 
Can you smoke out of the same stash for days then hit a piece with fentanyl? I would think the whole batch would be contaminated?
 
Truelove33 said:
Can you smoke out of the same stash for days then hit a piece with fentanyl? I would think the whole batch would be contaminated?
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Fentanyl distributes itself unevenly when mixed with heroin, that much I know. So just because one shot was OK doesn't mean the next one from the same baggie won't be fatal.

Also, again with opiates, it's very rare for a novice to overdose. The risk generally increases with long - term use because greater and greater amounts are needed to achieve a high, while at the same time there's a definite threshold to the body's ability to cope with the CNS suppressant effects.

With a stimulant after only 3 weeks of use, I would suspect cardial infarction or seizure, though a post mortem should have picked that up.

I'm thinking your suspicion may be right and he was mixing drugs. Most drug - related fatalities involve use of more than one substance.
 
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If you look at statistics seasoned users are usually the ones who die by overdosing, maybe they feel more experienced and exceed the safe dose level thinking they can tolerate it, unfortunately even if they are experienced the body can't go past certain drug limits.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
As for overdosing in general, there is really no rhyme or reason. There are many factors that play into it. Nobody, even veteran drug users, is safe.
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This is especially true these days with all the fentanyl out there.
A coworker of mine was revived with Narcan (naloxone) a few months ago after taking half of a fake Xanax bar.
And he's a seasoned drug user/abuser.
 
jasperkent said:
This is especially true these days with all the fentanyl out there.
A coworker of mine was revived with Narcan (naloxone) a few months ago after taking half of a fake Xanax bar.
And he's a seasoned drug user/abuser.
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It's actually pretty fucked up and scary if you think about it...

Some dude could sneeze while cutting your drugs and you might receive a fatal dose....

I don't think a lot of people realize how easy it is to cut drugs, and just how potent fentanyl analogues are..... and how easy it would be to fuck up that process.... a speck would kill you...
 
jasperkent said:
This is especially true these days with all the fentanyl out there.
A coworker of mine was revived with Narcan (naloxone) a few months ago after taking half of a fake Xanax bar.
And he's a seasoned drug user/abuser.
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Man yeah I've been narcan'd several times and this shit shouldn't be NECESSARY.
Just gimme a state-regulated legal supply that I can dose safely and correctly FFS.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
It's actually pretty fucked up and scary if you think about it...

Some dude could sneeze while cutting your drugs and you might receive a fatal dose....

I don't think a lot of people realize how easy it is to cut drugs, and just how potent fentanyl analogues are..... and how easy it would be to fuck up that process.... a speck would kill you...
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If your guy is about to serve you 'off the top' ALWAYS suspect foul play. Request a sample from the middle. If he refuses then he's shitting you.
 
i believe the stage a person is most likely to od is relapse after a sustained period of abstinence.. depends on the drug.. but for opiates 2+ weeks abstinence from most opiates will get you there. Naivety can certainly be a factor, esp with the deadly learning curve with modern street garbage.

Almost all the OD’s of my friends and known others occurred in people who were recently clean or really working on it or they were dangerous poly substance od’s from mixtures like methadone and Xanax.
 
My gut says a mixture of opiates and meth. He’d been on percs for a decade but never abused them. Only took half a pill most days. Until he had 3 disc fused in his lower back. Then a year on gabapentin. And then what I thought a year clean.
 
neversickanymore said:
i believe the stage a person is most likely to od is relapse after a sustained period of abstinence.. depends on the drug.. but for opiates 2+ weeks abstinence from most opiates will get you there. Naivety can certainly be a factor, esp with the deadly learning curve with modern street garbage.

Almost all the OD’s of my friends and known others occurred in people who were recently clean or really working on it or they were dangerous poly substance od’s from mixtures like methadone and Xanax.
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I hope he didn’t take a Xanax from my backpack.. low dose of .250 for when I have to give presentation at work.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
It's actually pretty fucked up and scary if you think about it...

Some dude could sneeze while cutting your drugs and you might receive a fatal dose....

I don't think a lot of people realize how easy it is to cut drugs, and just how potent fentanyl analogues are..... and how easy it would be to fuck up that process.... a speck would kill you...
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Could you smoke out of the same bag of crystal and days later hit a piece with fentanyl? I’m not well versed in the subject. Until 3 weeks before he died I hadn’t seen meth since 1993.
 
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