Are you created in God’s image?

[Gnostic Bishop]

I try to peer into a deeper meaning behind what was said. I admit I do not know the Bible very well, and don't consider myself a Christian by the standards of others. My religion is also Islam, but not Mohammedan, in that I accept some things as true... Perhaps even the totality, but imperfect. Its hard to explain. I think its all "in Gods image"... Things must eat. How moral is it that I eat this chicken? How 'moral' is it that the human race exists in the first place?

I don't think we can put 'God' on human standards, and it doesn't mean that we need to necessarily follow what earlier people interpreted as God. Or even what another now does. I've seen God, seemingly, make some crazy jokes. I've traveled down the rabbit hole, or into the illusion (?) so far that it seems to break down, and all I'm left with is choice. Choice to love, or give up- find myself in nothing. But my words are so imperfect... "Nothing" leads me to love, sometimes. (Also, it becomes a joke... Seemingly, at times)

While there is a lot of other data, and instructions- God tested Abraham in asking him to kill Isaac... They say, but this was a test (or Abraham was just sort of what some may pass as 'crazy' now and his rational mind won in this case). I don't think things are so clear cut and dry, as we seem to interpret them as. I want to see the reasons things are wanted or instructed in these books, and I often do, no matter how harsh... But... I don't agree, and will defy this God, for a different God. That higher 'moral' God, most of the time.

I think it is impossible that we are not "in the image of" the one true God. But the Old Testament and whatnot are just some words of some people... Not to write it off, but we all have our own choices- our own words, and minds to make them, as dangerous as that may be...

Jews have always strove both for and against God.

Do you think the testing of Abraham might have bee a Jewish test of their God?

Did Abraham not say that God would supply a sacrifice and did God not pass the test by doing so and proving his worthiness?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

OP why do you start posts that will create arguments? this is not your 1st probably not your last and you will probably want to argue with me about some religious crap! god dident say any of the above things because it is a story made up by men who in my opinion were probably gay Pedafile,s trying to figure out how they could get away with there Pedophilia! Well congratulations sick fucks it worked!

1Thesalonian 5;21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

How do you prove if what you are thinking is correct if you do not either internally or externally argue them?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I answered all your questions. Do you want me to clarify? Are we made in God's image? Yes.

Could you do like your God did, harden Pharaoh's soft heart, --- that was ready to let the people go, --- just to be able to kill the first born of Egypt, thousand upon thousands of children, just to show your strength?


Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

For God so loved the world...actually I think this might have been a bit of showmanship for the sake of humanity.

In modern channelings "Jesus" insists he felt little pain on the cross as he was able to leave his body (should be a small thing for him) and was held in God's arms the whole time...it was a pre-agreement between them.

Come to think of it, why would God make one of his most precious suffer?

Not much of a sacrifice if one does not suffer.

It is a special distortedChristian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, ---their God condemning them, and then turning anddemanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. Abribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insaneview of love, IMO.

Would you express your lovefor humanity or those you love by having your own child needlesslymurdered?

Or if convinced that asacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step upyourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

[rickolasnice]

So, as a start, which of these were legit orders from God and which were not?

Judges 21:10-24
Numbers 31:7-18
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Judges 5:30
Exodus 21:7-11
Zechariah 14:1-2

And how does this work with a belief in a peaceful, loving God?

 

[rickolasnice]

"Why have you forsaken me?"

Him saying that, is that a lie?

I'm sure he suffered... I'm pretty sure at some point, even he lost faith. How would it be a sacrifice, if he didnt feel pain, and if he wasn't broken at some point?

Suffering can bring strength. We suffer, to learn.

It translates to: "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?"

Implying he was not God.

 

[Ninae]

In the most intelligent channeling I've read from Jesus he says all his loved ones (who also were very high consciousnesses/great healers) were around him at the time of his crucifixion and bathed him in healing energy the whole time so he wouldn't have to feel any pain.

But there was one moment when they saw him raised up on the cross they felt such horror they faltered for a moment, so he was suddenly penetrated by all this pain, and that might have been when he cried out as that wasn't supposed to happen.

Either way, come to think of it, human beings would draw the same conclusions whether he suffered or not. They would just assume he died a painful death on the cross so why put a blameless soul like that through it for no reason? It might not even have been the original plan that Christianity would develop the way it did, with the focus of him being a sacrifice for our sins.

He always states he didn't intend to start any religion, just to show us the way to our own spiritual elevation, the religion that was created after him was all our doing. So maybe he was just supposed to be a great teacher and example for us all to follow. But when the time came he agreed to go through that but would be relieved from the suffering of it.

http://www.whoneedslight.org/page/482381728.html

This is a very interesting read.

I sent it to my family priest and he replied "Those were grand and great words but one must also keep in mind that Jesus was also only a human". Don't know what I think about that as someone who appears as a "human" can be so many things. Though while we are in human bodies we are all alike in that sense.

 

[rickolasnice]

You do read some whacky shit, Ninae

Where did Jesus say he didn't intend to start a new religion? As far as I can tell he didn't (mean to start a new religion).. He was merely playing the prophet the ancient Jewish texts wrote of.. he was trying to change the ways of Judaism and the Jewish people.. but I don't remember Jesus explicitly saying he never intended to start a new religion.

The religion that was created after (or before.. highly debatable imo) was started by Paul..

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

You do read some whacky shit, Ninae

Where did Jesus say he didn't intend to start a new religion? As far as I can tell he didn't (mean to start a new religion).. He was merely playing the prophet the ancient Jewish texts wrote of.. he was trying to change the ways of Judaism and the Jewish people.. but I don't remember Jesus explicitly saying he never intended to start a new religion.

The religion that was created after (or before.. highly debatable imo) was started by Paul..

I do not like the woo that she is into but on this issue I think she is bang on.

I think Jesus was telling the Jews who had become literalists of their own myths to return to thinking of them as myths and to stop idol worshiping their God.

I take this view from expanding what he did in that story where the Jews were going to stone a man for picking up sticks on the Sabbath.

Jesus taught that the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath. If we expand that, I see Jesus saying that God was created for man and not man for God.

Man is to make God and give him appropriate attributes. God is not to be seen as creating man.

That thinking matches what he says here in this first link on the supremacy of man as God. Adlibbing here --- Have ye forgotten that ye are son's of the most high God and Gods in your own right.

The thinking show is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taughtby Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethrento Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, thenyou will begin to know the only God you will ever find.

Regards
DL

 

[rickolasnice]

No yeah I agree with that bit.. just not the part where she says Jesus always states it..

And the whacky shit was aimed at

"In the most intelligent channeling I've read from Jesus he says all his loved ones (who also were very high consciousnesses/great healers) were around him at the time of his crucifixion and bathed him in healing energy the whole time so he wouldn't have to feel any pain.

But there was one moment when they saw him raised up on the cross they felt such horror they faltered for a moment, so he was suddenly penetrated by all this pain, and that might have been when he cried out as that wasn't supposed to happen"

 

[Ninae]

I do not like the woo that she is into but on this issue I think she is bang on.

Well, if you read that channeling I linked to, you can see that he pretty much brings up every point you always complain about with regards to Christianity, and literally mirrors your views, so if that doesn't make you happy, I don't know what will.

 

[HypGnosis]

^ I tried reading that link...I scrolled down as far as the Cheesy picture of Jesus then soiled myself. I then had to meditate away my laughter in order to approach it again. I got as far as the point where Jesus himself plugs this Kathryn lady's book, and for the sake of my sanity could look no further.
I'm not saying the resulting information is not to my personal liking (if it conforms with Gnostic Bishop's teachings/preachings ( ), them I'm probably on board.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Well, if you read that channeling I linked to, you can see that he pretty much brings up every point you always complain about with regards to Christianity, and literally mirrors your views, so if that doesn't make you happy, I don't know what will.

It does. I thought I indicated that by my agreement with you. It is your foolish literal belief in a real Jesus on a real cross surrounded by ghosts that is the turn off. If your theology needs woo to express itself then it is not worthy. You have added to the scriptures and they tell you not to do so. If the writer had wanted ghosts in that myth he would have put them in.

Regards
DL

 

[Ninae]

That's your loss, she's one of the most gifted channelers out there, it just takes her a bit to get to the point.

And, yes, she does plug her book at the start of every channeling, which can be annoying. But then again, she gave up psychiatry to work as a full time spiritual teacher and we're getting all this information for free, so I guess she's trying to still make a living somehow.

Anyway, that's a more superficial way of seeing it, it's the quality of the content that really counts. If she can inspire me and bring me some new knowledge she can plug her book (which no one will buy from such a prolific free channeler anyway) as much as she wants. And I love hearing her radio shows with all the channelings from "Heaven" (just less smalltalk, please).

This was a particularly freaky one:

[video]http://www.blogtalkradio.com/channelpanel/2013/08/23/removing-all-dark-entities-from-the-planet[/video]

Don't know if it's all true, would be nice, but most of her messages are more standard Ascended Masters channelings.

 

[Ninae]

It does. I thought I indicated that by my agreement with you. It is your foolish literal belief in a real Jesus on a real cross surrounded by ghosts that is the turn off. If your theology needs woo to express itself then it is not worthy. You have added to the scriptures and they tell you not to do so. If the writer had wanted ghosts in that myth he would have put them in.

Regards
DL

This also makes me laugh, as you like to focus so obsessively on the dark side of Christianity, while I like to use it in a more constructive way or focus on what of it is of value.

And I don't know how you, with all your posts so full of doom and gloom, can complain about me being so much about "Woo". Especially when it should be apparent I have quite a liberal outlook on things, and am no Puritan in any sense. I just think it would be good if we could manage a minimum of purity.

Most of this is just in your imagination, anyway. Other comments I've made on the subject were inspired by her other channelings and I haven't invented any fantasy world. I have to question your literal connection to reality, though, and when did I bring ghosts into it?

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Ninae

"In the most intelligent channeling I've read from Jesus he says all his loved ones (who also were very high consciousnesses/great healers) were around him at the time of his crucifixion and bathed him in healing energy the whole time so he wouldn't have to feel any pain."

A disembodied consciousness is analogues to a ghost. You can get into semantics if you like but you will do it on your own.

Regards
DL

 

[Ninae]

Well, that's your personal view. I don't see a disembodied soul as a "ghost", just a consciousness without a physical body.

Or don't you see his consciousness as having lived on after his death? And he wasn't even dead yet at the time. So that was an unnecessary objection, again.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Pffft.

Regards
DL

 

[swilow]

Well, if you read that channeling I linked to, you can see that he pretty much brings up every point you always complain about with regards to Christianity, and literally mirrors your views, so if that doesn't make you happy, I don't know what will.

Do you really believe that some random person claiming to be Jesus is going to satisfy GB? I feel like he is more focusing on addressing reality; you can see the problem there I think.

I dunno, I am pretty much always going to dismiss claims of divinity by people. Throughout history, these claims have been made and not once has there been any other corroborating evidence.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Do you really believe that some random person claiming to be Jesus is going to satisfy GB? I feel like he is more focusing on addressing reality; you can see the problem there I think.

I dunno, I am pretty much always going to dismiss claims of divinity by people. Throughout history, these claims have been made and not once has there been any other corroborating evidence.

I would be more inclined to listen to our friend if she was not promoting what has turned into an immoral religion.

You will note that she does not praise the beliefs and only give story lines. IMO of course.

Regards
DL