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Are there such things as Upper benzos?

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Rachella666

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As in benzos that give you a mood lift because with me they sometimes just relax me to much to the point of depression, also my tolerance is creeping up i'm scared. Thank you.

I remember a benzo called tofisofel or something like that but don't know if they just made it up?
 
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As in benzos that give you a mood lift because with me they sometimes just relax me to much to the point of depression, also my tolerance is creeping up i'm scared. Thank you.
Now is the time to taper/quit I'm afraid to say. The only mood lift I ever used to experience from Benzos was the escape from Anxiety.
I remember a benzo called tofisofel or something like that but don't know if they just made it up?
Found this on wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofisopam
 
the drug you are referring to is tofisopam (1-(3,4-dimethoxyphenyl)-5-ethyl-7,8-dimethoxy-4-methyl-5H-2,3-benzodiazepine). It is not like classical benzodiazepines in that it has anxiolytic action without the amnesic, anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant or sedative properties common to many (thieno)benzodiazepine drugs.

You probably won't find it stimulating in the classical sense, but if you experience bouts of depression while taking drugs such as lorazepam, this might be an avenue for you to explore.
 
Do you mean "upper" as in energetic or just euphoric?

If benzodiazepines are causing depression, maybe you should should look into other anxiolytic drugs all together. I've definitely experienced my share of depression from benzos in the past, usually higher doses... not fun at all
 
im confused, do you mean depression as in CNS depression (drowsiness), or depression as in you just lost a loved one (feelings)?

it is hard to distinguish because it seems as if you are looking for a benzo that will give you energy like an AD, but sorry, there are no benzos like that. GABAergics affect GABA, and GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, meaning it will depress your CNS, make you feel drowsy, but also make you feel less anxious. depending on how you look at the situation, your depression is causing your anxiety, or your anxiety is causing your depression; so it would be wise to figure out the root of your anxiety while you take a drug to take care of the symptoms. however, no true progress will be gained by swallowing some pill, you have to work and be proactive in changing your life through CBT and changing out bad habits for good ones ( exercise, eating healthy, ect..). i relate this to trying to fix an old car that wont run properly. you wouldnt be able to maintain and run the car properly with just a screw driver would you? you would NEED spare tires, jumper cables, screws, bolts, wrenches, engine oil, ect.... same thing applies to your situation, you can't just believe that the pills will do all the work, you need a combination of therapies to help you conquer and control your anxiety/depression!!

in your situation, you might benefit from Wellbutrin + benzo, which is one of the ONLY antidepressant meds out on the market that i personally benefited from, meaning that bupropion helped with depression and made me more optimistic/positive. i have tried other SSRIs, SNRIs, TCAs, ect.. and they all just really suck IMO/IME. they are just marketing schemes to get you to spend money on their drugs. the wellbutrin will give you energy, similar to how amphetamines feel IMO, and give you that extra push to physically get out and do work or chores or whatever...it is one of a kind, and for once, i say good job to the pharm companies for coming out with this drug! (ironic because last year they had to recall all wellbutrin from the market because some of the pills being manufactured were duds, and did not contain ANY bupropion, just inactive materials. sighh)

for you, id recommend a non-drowsy (or at the least sedating benzo), long acting benzo like clorazepate (desmethyldiazepam), librium (chlordiazepoxide), or oxazepam. the first two benzos are only partial-agonists or metabolized into partial-agonists and won't cause as much sedation as a full agonist (aka Xanax or klonopin). the latter, oxazepam, has a unique pharmacology being the slowest absorbed benzodiazepine which will bring on a much smoother, less intense and less sedating anxiolysis. either one of these three would work well with wellbutrin for anxiety/depression, and these 3 benzos are the "least addictive" benzos because of their unique pharmacology, or one could argue they are the least addictive...
 
Anxiolysis without the depression-inducing mental sedation?
Etizolam perhaps; very relaxing with an ability to induce some manner of euphoria, possibly without making you feel as 'heavy' as some other benzos might
 
Sounds to me like a tolerance problem. Take a break, then try again later and see if you still receive the same effects with benzos.

I mean yea, every benzo feels different but they definitely don't stimulate you.... You're supposed to feel relaxed. That's where the mood lift comes from for people who actually experience anxiety.
 
Benzodiazepines CAN be stimulating...though only with younger people...GABA is an excitatory neurotransmittor actually. It's why teens/young adults get roudy on benzos/alcohol and adults get "sedated." This is why they're used as date rape drugs; the younger girls get roudy and "easy" when dosed with them, yet can't remember anything because of the amnesiac properties of the benzodiazepines. Getting on my soapbox here, but it's fucking retarded that flunitrazepam, one of the best benzo's out there, is illegal in the US, when temazepam (Normison, Restoril) when it comes to benzos...FFS, alcohol could be considered a date rape drug if you wanna go there.........
 
Now is the time to taper/quit I'm afraid to say. The only mood lift I ever used to experience from Benzos was the escape from Anxiety.

Found this on wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofisopam

When my anxiety was betond the point of coping thats the only time I found klonopin to be an upper....I still try to find that high even tho I'm far past that anxiety!.

What happened to that chick in whereever really pissed me off.......Just sayin
 
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Que?

And ya, I don't even find 4-6mg of xanax sedating at this point in time...fuck anxiety, and fuck tolerance...
 
One suggestion, certainly not medical advice etc. etc., is to look into a novel antidepressant called tianeptine (trade name Stablon). I know of a few people who tapered down their benzo dose easily with the help of tianeptine. It isn't available in the United States but is commonly prescribed in France and as far as I know it is legal to import small personal use amounts. Anyway, it is novel because it is a serotonin reuptake enhancer (though that mechanism of action is disputed to some extent), and also indirectly increases the availability of dopamine in the mesolimbic system. Consequently, it has a mild (though somewhat short lived) anti-anxiety effect that is immediate. It has a short half-life so it typically needs to be taken 3 times a day. I personally have a script for alprazolam, but during the day I generally opt for 12.5-25mg of tianeptine instead b/c it isn't sedating (if anything, it's mildly stimulating).

Anyway, perhaps research it. It has a potential for abuse but very rare (it is unscheduled), certainly much much less than benzos. And if you take it regularly it triggers neurogenesis in the hippocampus corresponding to an anti-depressant effect.

One other option, which I know less about, is clonidine -- certainly not stimulating, in fact sedating -- but I know it can be useful in withdrawing from benzos. If nothing else, try to transition to a longer acting benzo like valium as it will be easier to slowly discontinue.

In my experience, and in what I've seen in friends as well, benzos are fantastic if you take them for occasional anxiety/panic, and just awful if you take them regularly b/c your body basically just produced more anxiety to compensate, so you are back where you started AND addicted AND made to suffer side effects.

Any how, good luck!
 
Sounds to me like a tolerance problem. Take a break, then try again later and see if you still receive the same effects with benzos.

Although everyone is different, I'm pretty sure that generally one becomes tolerant to the sedative effect before the anxiolytic effect (just like with stims one becomes tolerant to the euphoria and to the anorexia before the energizing/activating effects).
 
Although everyone is different, I'm pretty sure that generally one becomes tolerant to the sedative effect before the anxiolytic effect (just like with stims one becomes tolerant to the euphoria and to the anorexia before the energizing/activating effects).

If you continue the same therapeutic dosage that you are prescribed, you don't really grow any tolerance to the anxiolytic effects.
 
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Thank you.
 
Hiya guys, thanks so much fir the replies, i've had a busy week at work but will be back properly tomorrow, when I said depressed I meant as in moody/down, that's the way the xans sometimes make me feel, don't know if I'm regarded as a chronic user but take up to 4mg xans a day, sometimes I throw in an odd old blue or lorazepam to help on a bad day, panadol night or promathezine tabs to help me sleep, I work fulltime too, I have severe OCD and phobias which I won't go to the doc about, told her before and walked out in disgust, was on sertraline for a bit but went off it myself, found it rubbish, can't tell doc about my benzo habit as I don't want it down on my medical record as I'm currently looking to switch jobs and a lot look for a doc report.
 
I find it so odd that people get depressed on benzos. I too experience a good feeling of dissipating anxiety.
 
i tend to mix benzos with a nice uplifting stim (i.e etizolam and ethylphenidate), you feel energetic and a nice mood lift from the stim, all while have the anti anxiety effects from the benzo.

heavily addictive combo tho, can also lead to reckless behaviour and crazy memory loss.. tread with caution
 
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