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Are some folks just not 'built' for RCs

velmwend

velmwend

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Right, I've had 25i (600ug), 4-aco-dmt (20mg) and 2cb (30mg) during the past few months. The 25i gave me 8 hour flu-like symptons and nothing more. I bought these from a reputable uk vendor. The 4-aco-dmt had very mild effects and nothing more (also bought from a reputable vendor) and the 2CB just felt like I'd had a bong and then I felt sick for 3 hours.

Are some people just s**t with RCs?? I read all these life changing reports and all I get is nausea and disappointment. I just wanna visit another dimension for a few hours and come back feeling like I've been shown a few secrets of the universe...like acid, or shrooms.

Is there *really* any RC that come close to the classics? 8(
 
maybe you just have a hard head to psychedelics. the RC psychs are ime usually a bit gentler on the ego, it sounds like youre looking for a mental ass-kicking. maybe try dpt? dont forget set and setting have a lot to do with subjective effects of these drugs
 
Thanks guys, I've never heard of dpt before. I've taken some pretty strong acid (in the 90s...yep, sorry for mentioning the acid in the 90s, lol) and I want something that is up there, something that makes me feel as if I've travelled and returned with wisdom - the odd imp or goblin hiding up me trouser leg, bit of gold dust sparkling in my hair. Do you know what I mean?
 
4-AcO-DMT is believed to be metabolised to psilocin in vivo. It should be every bit as capable of kicking your arse as shrooms are. If 20mg doesn't do it for you, maybe up the dose. I, and several people I know, have had very profound trips on 2C-D, and I think of it as acid-lite, but tryptamines might be more up your street... ever thought about extracting some DMT? It's not an RC, but it's easily done if you're in the UK, and I guarantee that DMT can take you as far as you want to go.
 
Vader said:
4-AcO-DMT is believed to be metabolised to psilocin in vivo. It should be every bit as capable of kicking your arse as shrooms are. If 20mg doesn't do it for you, maybe up the dose. I, and several people I know, have had very profound trips on 2C-D, and I think of it as acid-lite, but tryptamines might be more up your street... ever thought about extracting some DMT? It's not an RC, but it's easily done if you're in the UK, and I guarantee that DMT can take you as far as you want to go.
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Sounds great, Vader, but I wouldn't know how to extract DMT or know why it would be easier because I'm in the UK. Something to do with mimosa? I can't really be running a lab or anything, I've got kids running about the house :D
 
Well, it's not that the process is any easier, but the materials are easily available in this country, and I know that they are not in many places. There are teks available online, including on BL: The-Big-amp-Dandy-DMT-Extraction-Thread-Second-pull
It might seem daunting at first, but it's really not that hard. You take the root bark of the Mimosa Hostilis tree (available online), add water and sodium hydroxide, mix with naphtha, separate the naphtha back out, freeze it, and the DMT falls out of the solution as crystals. That's really all there is to it, and DMT is a remarkable drug, I've been shown the most amazing things. As in, literally had items displayed to me by entities. If you do decide to try it, there's a lot of information on the web, and I will personally do what I can to help you. I must say that your resistance to these drugs is odd, but I am sure you will find an RC that can do the business. AMT is legal in the UK, and I have had LSD-like trips from it, as have others. Obviously, LSD is a very special drug, and if you go taking RCs expecting them to be LSD you're always going to be disappointed, because they're not LSD, but I have found many of them to be worthwhile.
 
Vader said:
Obviously, LSD is a very special drug, and if you go taking RCs expecting them to be LSD you're always going to be disappointed, because they're not LSD, but I have found many of them to be worthwhile.
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This man is correct. If you're looking for an RC that is an LSD replacement, you're not going to find it. There are some of them that I prefer over LSD (2C-E), but none of them are LSD replacements.

Every drug is its own beast. If you want LSD, you should go buy some LSD ;)
 
Vader said:
Well, it's not that the process is any easier, but the materials are easily available in this country, and I know that they are not in many places. There are teks available online, including on BL: The-Big-amp-Dandy-DMT-Extraction-Thread-Second-pull
It might seem daunting at first, but it's really not that hard. You take the root bark of the Mimosa Hostilis tree (available online), add water and sodium hydroxide, mix with naphtha, separate the naphtha back out, freeze it, and the DMT falls out of the solution as crystals. That's really all there is to it, and DMT is a remarkable drug, I've been shown the most amazing things. As in, literally had items displayed to me by entities. If you do decide to try it, there's a lot of information on the web, and I will personally do what I can to help you. I must say that your resistance to these drugs is odd, but I am sure you will find an RC that can do the business. AMT is legal in the UK, and I have had LSD-like trips from it, as have others. Obviously, LSD is a very special drug, and if you go taking RCs expecting them to be LSD you're always going to be disappointed, because they're not LSD, but I have found many of them to be worthwhile.
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Thanks, vader. I'll look into this. Like you said earlier, I'm not giving up hope on 4-aco-dmt either. Although I've only had mild effects so far, I can see its potential and I've had none of the nasty side-effects as I've had with the 2s. I'm going to try 4-aco-dmt from a new vendor, and up the dose.
 
^This man, too, is correct, 2C-E is a very powerful psychedelic, and very worthwhile, and possibly as good as LSD. The phenethylamines, though, tend to be more tactile and interpersonal and visual for me, whereas the kind of transcendent moons-and-stars trip you describe is something I would associate with tryptamines.
EDIT: Just seen your post, yeah, IME the 4-subbed tryptamines are easier on the body than the 2Cs. 4-OH-MET is also an ally of mine, I think it merits exploration. The last time I really had a bit of fear in a trip, it was on metocin, and I am sure that if you experienced what I did that night, your hunger would be sated.
 
^^^I disagree 2ce IMO sucks has a bad body load and isn't even close to an LSD trip. 2ce and 2ci suck bro. Assuming that what i had really was 2ci and 2ce. Fuck both these compounds if my source was legit I spent a good hour puking and dry heaving on both of these
 
You're entitled to your opinion, everyone reacts differently and has different preferences, I think 2C-I sucks too, but 2C-E has always been a wonderful ally to me. Of the (dozens of) people I know IRL who have taken 2C-E, there is not one person who did not enjoy it. YMMV.
 
velmwend said:
I'm going to try 4-aco-dmt from a new vendor, and up the dose.
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Up the dose AFTER an allergy test, yes? The same compound from another vendor could be different. Careful! Other than that, nothing to add...

Best of luck travelling the nether world!
 
Vader said:
The phenethylamines, though, tend to be more tactile and interpersonal and visual for me, whereas the kind of transcendent moons-and-stars trip you describe is something I would associate with tryptamines.
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I like/agree with that observation. Mescaline is a good example of this i think. This is a phenethylamine and brings a fair bit of an MDMA type warmth to the psychedelic experience. I only mention this example as mescaline can easily be brewed up from dried san pedro, available from any online head shops. Not only is it like a classic, it IS a classic! Right here right now.
 
Aye, I think after my experience with 25i (I thought I was dying on 600ug) and 2cb, I'll deffo be sticking with the tryptamines. Gonna work my way through the 4's and see where I end up. And have a go with that mimosa tek. I was well on my way to trying ketamine until my normally trusty vendor decided to disappear. =D Cheers guys,
 
Swarm said:
I like/agree with that observation. Mescaline is a good example of this i think. This is a phenethylamine and brings a fair bit of an MDMA type warmth to the psychedelic experience. I only mention this example as mescaline can easily be brewed up from dried san pedro, available from any online head shops. Not only is it like a classic, it IS a classic! Right here right now.
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Yeah but be prepared to drink several cups of gnarly slop to get there!! Maybe there's an extraction process that makes it easier, I don't know.

As far as "research chemicals" go. There has to be some out there that are good in their own unique way. Many of the classics pretty much were RCs in the beginning. Research to your hearts content! Call me old fashioned, but I'm stickin to what I know from here on out. I've had some weird experiences with those things. Of course, there's so many of them out there, so IDK...
 
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Everyone reacts differently, and phenethylamines can be nauseating and overstimulating for some people, but I prefer them to acid. In my opinion 4-aco-dmt is classic as it gets, literally food of the gods type bullshit. I'd give 4-aco another chance if I was you because it sounds like what you're looking for.
 
Reputable UK vendor you say? 4-AcO-DMT and 2C-B are illegal in the UK, so if this was a vendor masquerading as a legal RC vendor, you've been lied to, and I'd highly question your source. That said, we can't go into vendor discussion here, it's up to you to verify for yourself if your vendor is legitimate.

Edit: I misread, you can ignore that bit, after re-reading it sounds like only the 25I was obtained in the UK.

Are you on any medication? Lots of medicine can interact badly with various drugs and cause these sorts of reactions. If you get normal reaction from acid and shrooms then obviously it's not that, but you mention taking acid in the 90's so I had to consider the possibility that you haven't taken them in a while and have since gotten on SSRIs or other medication that can lessen the effects of psychedelics.

Along with that, 600ug of 25I is weak for a lot of people, and during the come up I also get flu-like symptoms, so it might have simply been too little. If the 4-AcO-DMT was fumarate as most is, then 20mg might not be enough for the full blown trip you're looking for - try 25-30mg, and work your way up as necessary from there. 2C-B at 30mg should be pretty enjoyable though - unless you took all these drugs in rather quick succession, since you should allow at least a week between trips due to tolerance.

I'd also like to say +1 to everything Vader said.

Just remember that we don't allow "What should I take?" threads, so we can't really tell you what to take, but to answer your question - yes there are.

My all time favourite drug I've tried so far is aMT, alpha-methyltryptamine. It's partly regarded as an RC, though it's been around since the 60s (Ken Kesey tried it and referred to it as the Rolls Royce of psychedelics) - it's legal in the UK, and personally I prefer it to MDMA, LSD, DMT, etc.. just because of its unique combination of monoamine release like MDMA, and psychedelic effects similar to LSD. It's like a candyflip in one drug! :D
 
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