Are people born serial killers/psychopaths?

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I just got done watching a documentary on John Wayne Gacy again that was on Biography ages ago after talking to a buddy about serial killers. I've always sort of been interested in serial killers off and on, especially the psychological aspect and what causes or drives someone to commit such horrible acts. I remember as a child seeing news footage of the Jeffrey Dahmer case with the investigators bringing out the fridge that contained body parts and just being blown away.

Anyways, something that I've noticed I think with every serial killer I've ever researched is that they had traumatic childhoods. So my question is are people born hardwired to be psychopaths/serial killers, or are they a product of their childhood and environment? Personally I think it's a combination of predisposition and environment, but what do you guys think? Also if someone was born with a predisposition of psychopathy but had a good childhood and support could they still turn out to be serial killers?

Also if anyone has anything to share about the psychology of serial killers that I didn't cover feel free.
 
everyone is conceived with love and is pure love

in the womb we start to get sludged with external sources of sorrow, which start to pack on to us and form our ego

it just gets thicker and thicker and we grow older, for some i suppose the process of taking on shit, is very rapid

i suppose a traumatic childhood lends itself to mental illness, which lends itself (with some certain personalities possibly) to just going cray on the world

i dont really believe in some genetic predisposition for being a psychopath, maybe a predisposition for delusion/schizophrenia/bipolar, but not for killing peeps
 
In psychology nature versus nurture is a seemingly unresolvable debate on many aspects of human behaviour. Any trait is not purely attributable to one or the other in my opinion. In the case of serial killers though, I don't believe anybody is born that way, but obviously some are 'predisposed' in the sense that they're closer to being serial killers for whatever reason. I can't imagine 'serial killer' type behaviours have ever been observed in other species, it seems to be a phenomenon exclusive to human psychology, which I think indicates that it's due to an extreme corruption of the mind.
 
/\ How's it going man? I just started posting here again after some time off. But yeah I agree the psychology is what I really find interesting. And along with that is how while I think everyone has had evil or bad thoughts at least at sometime in their life, how most people can control them but others can't like in the case of psychopaths/serial killers.

And that sort of brings me to another question I've thought about, which is could anyone turn out a serial killer under the right circumstances? Personally I don't think so although I admittedly have limited knowledge on the subject. I think someone could turn out to do bad things, but unless there was the predisposition and different wiring I'm not convinced they would become serial killers. What do you guys think?
 
I'll give my own reasoned and informed perspective on this issue. Since serial killers all have complex and disparate dispositions, motivations, modi operandi, backgrounds and childhoods, IQ, etc., I should preface this by saying that I am speaking in terms of the stereotypical, quintessential, or "beau ideal" serial killer, and not anomalous outliers (say, Richard Chase and others).


Serial killers are individuals born with a particular set of genes such that, when placed in a sufficiently abusive, dysfunctional, violent, neglectful, or emotionally austere or caustic environment, develop, as a sort of coping mechanism, abnormal fantasies and paraphilias and proclivities that are almost invariably of a sexual theme.


The theme may be invariable, but the smaller details and minutiae are highly variable. And so, what do Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrei Chikatilo, Luis Garavito, Gary Ridgeway, Wang Qiang, Moses Sithole, etc., have in common? Well, they all murdered people, of course. But they also all had sexual motivations for those murders. Moreover, the majority of their victims—with a small number of exceptions—were all, in some conspicuous fashion, similar to each other. Why? Probably for the same reason that most of the people you've ever dated or had sex with were similar in some manner or another—because that's what you've found sexually arousing or titillating.


But your sexual predilections presumably stopped at merely fucking or fantasizing about fucking that attractive, lascivious brunette you see everyday around town. Perhaps envisaging or engaging in the act of fucking her is enough to cause a penile tumescence; your pudenda's protuberance; an erection, dammit.


Some people are not content or adequately aroused by just the sex, however. Maybe they need further excitement. Perhaps they want that aforementioned attractive brunette to urinate in their mouth or maybe take a few slaps and rough her up a bit.


And still others may want to smother her to death, anally rape her corpse with the business end of a blade, cut her from the clavicle up, and then use her decapitated head for oral sex.


Different strokes for different folks, I reckon. But some folks are just very different.


And remember, it all starts out as an adolescent's erotic reverie. But the fantasy builds in intensity and poignancy, and then climaxes with ennui and satiety. Just the fantasy no longer elicits the same excitement as it did in its incipience. And the only excitement now takes the form of enacting the fantasy.


My hypothesis is that psychopathy is not a prerequisite for becoming a serial killer. A random serial killer may or may not be a psychopath. The reason he can murder without empathy is because he perceives his victims as the victims of his fantasies—not real, unfeeling, incorporeal. Just like you may imagine purposely hitting a made-up person with a car. Do you feel remorse? Probably not. It was just a character in your mind who doesn't really exist.

Serial killers, I hypothesize, desensitize themselves to murdering certain types of people through repetitive and incessant fantasy or mock murders. But murdering outside that demographic which populates their fantasy is not as easy, and may be emotionally difficult, as it would for a typical person.


Consider the case of Gary Michael Hilton, the Southern serial killer who murdered hikers but couldn't bring himself to kill a dog, as he loved animals.


That's part of my hypothesis, but it's far too lengthy to type it all out.

And here I'll be honest. Since my preteens, I have found it highly arousing to engage in thoughts of what I'll call "rough sexual behavior". Others may prefer the terms rape or sexual violence, but a rose by any other name still has pain-inflicting thorns, and nothing gets me off more than the thought of nonconsensual and aggressive sex. I dunno why, and I can control what arouses me no more than you or anyone else can—in other words, not at all. But I wonder why similar males with similar fantasies transmogrify from innocuous fantasizers to nefarious and ruthless victimizers. What initiatates this transition from contemplation to criminality? Or, rather what prevents it? It's fascinating, I say.


In psychology nature versus nurture is a seemingly unresolvable debate on many aspects of human behaviour.


Hah! What risible nonsense!


Within the politically correct, incredibly specious, needless and extraneous, self-important, patently leftist, and pseudoscientific domain of the soft sciences, the non-tendentious or politically unsullied observer will quickly notice the regnant and repugnant neo-Lysenkoism that social scientists obdurately espouse like a religion.


The standard social science model is its name, and the asinine twaddle that is social constructionism, Marxist malarkey, post-modernism, cultural determinism, and a farrago of more faustian flummery are its essential components.


In point of fact, there never was nor is there currently a nature and nurture debate. Just some informed natural scientists trying unavailingly to convince a population of pompous academic scientist epigones the errors in their confused and egregious notions of the unimportance of evolution and nature relative to society and exogenous environmental factors.


It seems theists take less umbrage with the theory of evolution than does the quintessential social "scientist" or humanities major.


"Chimps, gorillas, elephants, yeah they all evolved to adapt certain behavior. And, yeah, we can study this behavior via ethology and it can be described with precision via evolutionary explanations. But humans? No fucking way, man.


Because, like, if our behavior did evolve, yah know, and, like, our society is determined by evolved behavior and not vice versa, then, like, how could my egalitarian-Marxist-feminist antiquated 1960's political ideology remain valid? And my awesome math skills I acquired during my Women's Studies courses taught me that if x + y ≠ z, but you want it to, then rhetoric and obscurantism can make it equal z. So, like, if science doesn't corroborate my presuppositions about human behavior, then, you know, like, change the science or just ignore it. "



The soft scientist: an inexhaustible inspiration of side-splitting cachinnation and facile parody.


Any trait is not purely attributable to one or the other in my opinion.


I'm normally not very brusque and so do understand the difficulty with which it takes me to inform you that your opinion means sweet fuck all in science in particular and everywhere in general, especially when it is dead wrong and plain stupid.


So my having 10 fingers and 10 toes is not purely attributable to nature nor nurture? But some combination thereof? And the epidemiology of sickle cell anemia, which is almost exclusively found in people deriving from populations that historically lived in areas coinciding with high prevalence of malaria has to do with nurture? And the fact that—oh, I give up. G.C. Lichtenberg once put it thus:

We have no words for speaking of wisdom to the stupid. He who understands the wise is wise already.
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Jesus Fucking Christ what did I just read?

Any explanation would just be wasted on the same shallow sensorium that caused the conundrum to exist and the question to be asked, in the first place.


If you require simplification, a terse synopsis, different phraseology, or syntax that is easier and quicker to parse, then don't call upon Jesus (with his obfuscation and prolix prophesy—the result of which are an unbelievable 30,000+ denominations of Protestantism alone, seemingly interminable sectarian wars and so forth). But maybe the parlance of Sesame Street's Elmo would be less confounding and easier to digest for you.
 
The labels vary, and I don't fit into the categories very well but I either have an Antisocial Personality (but not a disorder), or I am a psychopath/sociopath (but not a criminal), depending on how the labels are defined. Maybe I'm neither, because I don't have a disorder, nor do I fantasize or commit criminal acts? -_-

The most common thing that I see is Antisocial Personality all being lumped under the umbrella of a "disorder" as the medical categorization, and/or words like "psychopath" having a psuedo-official meaning that tends to include serial crime or even murder.

I developed this personality through trauma. Physical genetics certainly has a role in my personality and perspective. If I had been born into more normal genetics, I may have some different perspectives, or been more likely to blend in. However, even with my genetics, I would not have a so-called antisocial personality, had I not experienced the trauma.

Back to the actual serial killers: Nom de Plume makes a good point about examples of sexually driven violence and killings. It makes a lot of sense that these serial killers experience a level of stimulation from the killing that then becomes an addictive behavior.

Like hard drugs, some people have a genetic disposition towards addiction, and are more likely to become addicts if they give hard drugs a try, but aren't actually born genetically addicted to that high.
 
everyone is conceived with love and is pure love

in the womb we start to get sludged with external sources of sorrow, which start to pack on to us and form our ego

it just gets thicker and thicker and we grow older, for some i suppose the process of taking on shit, is very rapid

i suppose a traumatic childhood lends itself to mental illness, which lends itself (with some certain personalities possibly) to just going cray on the world

i dont really believe in some genetic predisposition for being a psychopath, maybe a predisposition for delusion/schizophrenia/bipolar, but not for killing peeps

You must be religious huh?

So you don't believe in genetic predisposition towards psychopathy?

I'm fairly sure that there have been studies of certain kinds showing that people can be born with conditions leading to a lack of empathy at the very least which could lead to becoming a killer (No I have no sources to site and I could be wrong).

I think it's pretty clearly a combo of genetics and past experiences/trauma that leads this and leads to just about anything happening in life and how much of one or the other leads to anything is probably a case by case basis.

I absolutely believe that there are born psychopaths who have great child hoods.

For example, I have seen specials on Jeffrey Dahmer and he was never abused as a kid and had a totally normal childhood (other than what HE did like killing cats) and he ended up a psycho killer.

Killers are not only caused by trauma, they can be born with predispositions towards sick behavior that develops even under the best of circumstances.
 
The statistic modern medicine has stated is: 1 in 25 people are sociopaths; 1 in 4 have a diagnosable mental illness; and 1 in 10 have OCD.

Pretty scary to think about.
 
The statistic modern medicine has stated is: 1 in 25 people are sociopaths; 1 in 4 have a diagnosable mental illness; and 1 in 10 have OCD.

Pretty scary to think about.




What precisely is scary to think about in light of those statistics? The probability of one's friend being a nefarious and no-good psychopath, or the seemingly commensurate probability of one's psychiatrist being a knavish and naïve statistician?


And of these two separate probabilities, which is accompanied by the most frightening and disquieting implication?


The former, wherein we all quail and cower with consternation over concerns of a populous replete with deranged psychopaths lurking around every corner, just waiting to act like deranged psychopaths?


Or the latter, wherein we all quail and cower with consternation over concerns of a populous replete with deranged psychopaths lurking around every corner, just waiting to act like deranged psychopaths?
 
You must be religious huh?

So you don't believe in genetic predisposition towards psychopathy?

I'm fairly sure that there have been studies of certain kinds showing that people can be born with conditions leading to a lack of empathy at the very least which could lead to becoming a killer (No I have no sources to site and I could be wrong).

I think it's pretty clearly a combo of genetics and past experiences/trauma that leads this and leads to just about anything happening in life and how much of one or the other leads to anything is probably a case by case basis.

I absolutely believe that there are born psychopaths who have great child hoods.

For example, I have seen specials on Jeffrey Dahmer and he was never abused as a kid and had a totally normal childhood (other than what HE did like killing cats) and he ended up a psycho killer.

Killers are not only caused by trauma, they can be born with predispositions towards sick behavior that develops even under the best of circumstances.

not religious, my parents are fundamentalist christians, i was forced to go to church until i was 16 blah blah, i am interested in spirituality

yeh, i think its fair enough that its possible to have a genetic predisposition to psychopathy, i guess i just dont feel its going to be as important as environment, i dont really know heaps on the topic tbh, i did used to read all the serial killers wiki pages, and just felt like making a post haha

is psychopathy a mental illness? in my head i think of serial killers as having really bad karma in past lives, and possibly having done atrocious things in past reincarnations, which is kind of like in western psychology could be considered a genetic predisposition to psychopathy.
 
I think you are born with love and understanding but that can change and become totally lacking in a person. THere are 10 traits that are general characteristics of serial killers with the biggest trait of a complete lack of empathy:

1.single white males. Not always the case but in the u.s. that is mostly true
2. smart with an above average IQ.
3. Do poorly in school and having spotty employment history
4.Troubled homes with abuse
5.They themselves have mental issues and some criminal background
6. They suffer abuse and humiliation as kids and almost all kill animals at an early age.
7. From abuse of father they have trouble with male authority or they were dominated by their mother so they have hostility towards women
8. Spent time in institutions as a child
9. Suicidal as teenagers cause of all the early trauma
10. Interest in sexual things and voyeurism.

Source; The Serial Killer Files by Harold Schechter
 
What precisely is scary to think about in light of those statistics? The probability of one's friend being a nefarious and no-good psychopath, or the seemingly commensurate probability of one's psychiatrist being a knavish and naïve statistician?


And of these two separate probabilities, which is accompanied by the most frightening and disquieting implication?


The former, wherein we all quail and cower with consternation over concerns of a populous replete with deranged psychopaths lurking around every corner, just waiting to act like deranged psychopaths?


Or the latter, wherein we all quail and cower with consternation over concerns of a populous replete with deranged psychopaths lurking around every corner, just waiting to act like deranged psychopaths?

If u don't like cognitive psyc aite.

But I was elaboratig.
A sociopath is someone who doesn't know when they have hurt someone. Its not the same as psychopath.

I think that's fairly frightening what humans are capable of within our own lives. Just the depth and scope homie.
 
I thought psychopath and sociopath are pretty much the same thing? I've read stuff on both terms but there seems to be a lot of confusion and disagreement on them. Either way I'm pretty sure a psychopath or sociopath know what they're doing, they just don't feel any guilt or remorse.

An interesting vid I found...

 
^they do know what they are doing, but I believe that sociopaths are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, while psychopaths are not able to form any type of emotions or sympathy towards others which make them more dangerous to be around with.
 
I still haven't read anything that provides a definitive difference between the two terms, and a lot of what I've read is contradictory. The only thing that seems certain is that it all falls under antisocial personality disorder.
 
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