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Are opiates the perfect drugs?

s0nic said:
Thank you.
I think that most non-opioid users don't understand where we're coming from. They see opiates as a harmful drug that "fucks you up" like alcohol or something. Most people don't realize that opiates aren't neurotoxic. A lot of the people I know claim they don't like opiates because they say opiates make them too tired, dizzy, or sick. I guess they just never got used to them or didn't want to give them a chance.
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that's not true in my case, i have plenty of experience with hydrocodone and very limited experience with oxycodone, codeine and opium. i have felt all the positive affects you described (except permanently changing for the better) but i still think marijuana is overall a much better drug than opiates (at least for me). when i first tried opiates they did nothing to me, after some experience with them i started getting high (but it was never consistent) and then after that i would feel sick everytime i took them and not get very high. the more i took them the sicker i would get and so i quit. some of the negative affects i got were intense nausea lasting for days after a single dose, a gagging feeling in my throat that would not go away for 2 or 3 days, intense itching, hot /cold flashes that kept me awake all night taking my blanket on and off, dizzyness, general fucked up feeling, insomnia, unpleasant dreams and obsessive thinking patterns, constipation, feelings of weakness, ridiculously fast building tolerance to the high but no tolerance to the unpleasant effects. i certainly gave opiates a chance and i did not find the positive affects (which i admit were pretty good at times) worth the negatives. it just varies from person to person how each drug affects them and whichever they like best they'll think is the perfect drug.


personally i think marijuana is better than opiates.

no nausea, constipation, itching or insomnia and it enhances the senses and alters my mind in much more mind expanding and potentially spiritual/life changing way than opiates.
 
it's the illusion that they are that gets you all caught up (or strung). they are far from perfect. but so cool and free from paronia. even scoring is addictive. and then theres that damn needle...
 
anhalonium9 said:
it's the illusion that they are that gets you all caught up (or strung). they are far from perfect. but so cool and free from paronia. even scoring is addictive. and then theres that damn needle...
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this is true. But when you get so addicted and caught up in your own illusions, and your illusions/delusions are then your reality, they are indeed the perfect drug by far.
 
^ perfect.

Some people have mentioned weed as the perfect drug? How is weed better than opiates? Weed makes me and everyone else i know become retarded. Plus the high isnt even that good at all. Highly over rated in my opinion, especially when put next to stronger opiates. Opiates also give me clarity in my thinking. Youll never hear me use "weed" and "clarity" in the same sentence unless im saying "i have no clarity what-so-ever when i smoke weed"
 
I dunno if i can say opiates are the perfect drug, but for the past two weeks, ive been doing them way too much, i just love them. Its been my fav. drug since i first did it 2 years ago, but tonight since im on em again i took 8 vicodins and 45 minutes later the good feeling is already gone, and im craving some more, so i think its time to slow down alot...
 
Well the more experience you have your drug of choice (mine being opiates), the more learn about what causes the bad shit to happen and what causes the good shit to happen. Then at this point you can either choose to get off with your brain, or get off without it.

It's a plain waste of good opiates to get too deep down into it and have a daily habit for REALLY long periods of time. Whenever i start using too much, i actually start to get more paranoid than just not being on opiates at all. And opiates are one of the best anti-anxiety drugs out there! Plus you start not even feeling the effects after a while, and then are just throwing down shitloads of money to not feel like a dead fish.

It took quite some time, a lot of impatience, stress, depression, blahblah yadda da....but now I only use a few times a week at the most. Sometimes once or twice a week. It makes the experience so much better 10 fold.

It's like christmas day twice a week. And it just feels better to feel like i have a sense of will power.

Let's see if i can say all that bull when i find another super steady, and reliable hook.
 
frizzantik said:
^ alcohol and benzo withdrawl can kill you
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jeez can i say anything on this website without having to approach every idea from every angle????????????????????????????????????

yes duh

but id still throw my vote at opiates having the worst withdrawl. its a hell of a lot harder to become an alcoholic than a h addict.



:D :) :D
 
THE WOOD said:
jeez can i say anything on this website without having to approach every idea from every angle????????????????????????????????????
:D :) :D
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No.

THE WOOD said:
but id still throw my vote at opiates having the worst withdrawl. its a hell of a lot harder to become an alcoholic than a h addict. :D :) :D
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That's entirely subjective. Alcohol being so readily available, cheap, and socially accepted, not to mention the #1 used social intoxicant, seems TO ME, but be more addictive.

And alcohol and benzo withdrawl can easily be just as bad if not worse than opiate withdrawl. Opiate WD only makes me feel really dark and empty, with heavy flu/cold-like symptoms combined with a fever and diarrea. Attached to that, depression from hell, followed the 2nd/3rd days of mild insomnia. The first day of WD is easy to sleep through.

I think the worse part of opiate WD is simply the shock of all the sudden feeling your body and having all your thought processes comeback. It's like a mental and psychical bombardment of the senses.

I'm not sure where im going with this. I'm really smacked up right now and it's 1:30 in the morning.
 
Opiates, the perfect drug for psychological escape, whatever emotional pain your in, by introducing opiates it quickly covers up that state of mind, and your left with bliss. Although the effects only last a few hours, it does a really good job at that. Your simply emcompassed with the euphoric state and you don't care. But it's a bad idea to use it as a escape drug, not a good idea.

No drug is perfect, it all has its negatives, and positives, just like how everything is like a double edged sword. I'd take opiates over weed, simply because weed causes paranoia, opiates dosn't do it at all. Then again you could smoke weed all the time, but can't use opiates. Both drugs has its limitations, but each is unique.

When I first tried opiates which was 10mg hydorcodone, it was bliss, nothing really beats the feeling described as a state of well being, calmness, warmness, numbness, as well as the euphoric bliss produced by it.
 
THE WOOD said:
but id still throw my vote at opiates having the worst withdrawl. its a hell of a lot harder to become an alcoholic than a h addict.
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Everyone who's been there will tell you that benzos have the worst withdrawl. I remember reading a post where negrogesic (mod of OD) said his heroin habit was a joke compared to his diazepam habit. That sure as hell makes me think before I mess with benzos. I try to only use benzos as a tool to ween myself off other drugs. When I use them under this context I dont really enjoy the feeling I get from them as much so hopefully I wont ever get addicted.
 
^^ I'll have to disagree. Psychedelics are like that, not opiates. Opiates just make you "comfortably numb". They don't open your mind or give you very much enlightenment.
 
MagicHours said:
^ perfect.

Some people have mentioned weed as the perfect drug? How is weed better than opiates? Weed makes me and everyone else i know become retarded. Plus the high isnt even that good at all. Highly over rated in my opinion, especially when put next to stronger opiates. Opiates also give me clarity in my thinking. Youll never hear me use "weed" and "clarity" in the same sentence unless im saying "i have no clarity what-so-ever when i smoke weed"
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the affects vary from user to user, the weed high is a totally different high from opiates and i like it much more. weed combined with some beautiful music in a nice setting gives me a feeling of "aliveness" and spiritual well being that no opiate could touch. weed has a sense of a humor, i've never laughed my ass off for 5 minutes straight on opiates. weed's mindfuck gives me the ability to introspect and look at things another way, without the hard edges of a more powerful psychedelic. it has improved my life in all sorts of ways that opiates never could, it's served as a great aid when i was beginning meditation and allowed me to reach states of spiritual ecstasy far greater than any opiate high. weed enhances, taste and sensation while opiates tend to dull it out. opiates just don't come anywhere close in my book, but i understand why some people would like them better. it all depends on what you're looking for in a drug and how each drug affects you. to me weed combines the best balance of psychedelic, narcotic, stimulant and depressent affects.
 
^^^^Pretty much agree.

Opiates feel so good and since they dont have an acute comedown/hangover like other drugs they can be very deceiving. The hangover does come however, when you wake up one morning and cant get out of bed without a fat rail of OC.

The "honeymoon" period when you first start getting high is great. No withdrawal/hangover. This period does NOT LAST LONG! Soon you will be very sick without your fix.

Benzo withdrawal does seem bad but I have never had a problem with this class of drugs and only used them recreationaly or to help me get off dope. I do know people that have had seizures and panic attacks from abruptly stopping benzos, but they made a speedy recovery compared to my opiate withdrawal. Maybe their tolerance wasnt so high?

Do benzos lend themselves to intense psychological cravings after the physical withdrawal, like opiates? In my experience benzos have much less abuse potential then opiates. I've never craved diazepam and we used to get grams of pure powder. One little fingerprint would knock you on your ass (at first).
 
opiates can open the mind. Since you become so numb, you become more and more lucid in thought. This can lead to profound psychic effects. Not to mention the realness of opiate dreams.
 
yeah i never really did opiats much but this last weekend I did them a ton and gotta say the rock.. Good feeling except the itchy-ness. I prefer weed but i had methadose and oxicontin and they treated me well. Lasted great amount of time
 
cannabis sativa, thats great, but how many pot-heads do you know actually smoke weed for the purpose of expanding their minds? All the pot-heads i know are more into, if you will, 'stomache expansion,' or the munchies. Pack down as much food as you can, watch Cartoon Network and fall asleep laughing to Dexter and Dee Dee. You are a rare case of weed smoker, and in your case, yes, weed is the perfect drug. But as i just said, your type is rare.

Ive had more mentally beneficial opiate experiences than ive had with weed. Actually, ive never had an experience with weed that has expanded my mind in any way, shape, or form. I just dont see how its possible. I do see, however, how it is completely oppoisite for me. I come out of being stoned feeling a lot less intelligent than i was about 4 hours ago. Opiates, they make me more accepting, careless, and happy, which does carry on into being sober (for me at least) which i consider pretty beneficial to my life, and a lot better for the people around me because i am much less moody.

Whatever floats your boat i guess, but still ill never understand how whats floating yours seems to sink mine.
 
Opiate would be a perfect drug if it had no withdraw symptoms...and no way of getting addicted...but ofcourse, all drugs have their flaws..."Perfect Drug"...Comes close, IMO
 
Opiates may not make me smarter... but they definitely make me more creative. The trouble is I'll come up with the perfect idea for a photo/story/painting but be content with the idea itself, the project can wait 'til tomorrow. It sucks when the "project" becomes your life. But I always go back, yes I do.

My favorite thing to do on opiates is talk and smoke cigarettes and occasionally sniff cocaine. Primarily talk though. That and nod.
 
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