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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

It is interesting that non gay people seem certain they know why people are gay.

Have any of you armchair philosophers considered what the gay people keep telling you?

Certainly some of my partners in life latter went on to raise families and lead hetrosexual lives for long periods of time. Some revert back after the kids moved out. Some just stick to the plan and live out their life desperatly pretending they are happy with making the choice society thrust upon them.

For each individual the choice is made easy or hard by the society around us, we are born gay, some are born with no preference or simply enjoy sex and have no hangups. For the golden gays, from birth to death, all you can do as a society is accept us.

Please stop getting out your grease pencil and editing our lives maybe use it in yourselves because you are the onky thing you can change. I am not you so all your speculation about me can fall to the floor. Learn about yourself and focus on what you can change in the world, you.
 
Lovecraft said:
Why? Plenty of gay men can fight. You're assuming that gay = unmasculine and weak. You'd be surprised.
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Well, technically, the assumption was that there would be an oppressive leviathan to control the means of production (Primarily more soldiers and a heterosexual environment.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.

If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?

Regards
DL
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Nature. 100%. Nurture doesn't come into it even 0.000000000000001%.
God, if you believe in that....I don't. So...just nature.

There. I answered your question with actual knowledge/fact and not just an opinion :)
 
Yourbaker said:
It is interesting that non gay people seem certain they know why people are gay.

Have any of you armchair philosophers considered what the gay people keep telling you?

Certainly some of my partners in life latter went on to raise families and lead hetrosexual lives for long periods of time. Some revert back after the kids moved out. Some just stick to the plan and live out their life desperatly pretending they are happy with making the choice society thrust upon them.

For each individual the choice is made easy or hard by the society around us, we are born gay, some are born with no preference or simply enjoy sex and have no hangups. For the golden gays, from birth to death, all you can do as a society is accept us.

Please stop getting out your grease pencil and editing our lives maybe use it in yourselves because you are the onky thing you can change. I am not you so all your speculation about me can fall to the floor. Learn about yourself and focus on what you can change in the world, you.
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When people (always the straights) think being gay is a choice, I just ask them to tell me about the time when they CHOSE to be straight. Like, if gay people choose to be gay, then obviously straight people also have a moment in their lives when they can actively choose to be either gay or straight and choose straight,
IMO, anyone who thinks it's a choice is bisexual and "chose" to only pursue their attraction to the opposite sex and ignore their attraction to the same sex.

Also, homosexuality exists in all animal species, even though who don't have the intelligence or thought capacity to make such a decision.
 
Yourbaker said:
In the past your posts have been well thought out and well written, almost always on topic so, will I be as nice as I can.

With respect if you change the word homosexual to heterosexual in the first paragraph, you have my early life. There is no measure of choice in being gay, there is always a measure of choice in a persons actions.

Society can put pressure on me to pretend and act. Society cannot put pressure on me to change. My own will and desire to change with all the pressure of society combined failed. I have visited with some men who have gone through conversion therapy and achieved success. The success achieved is always play acting never real root desire change, none of the 100% gay males ever succeed at this, failure of an idea however should not be interpreted as some kind of resistance we blame on the gay male.

I am a gay man desperately trying be straight and not play act straight, searching from the moment I understood I was not normal, this mythical nirvana you speak of that helps people like me is located where?

You are an amazing person with insight into many areas of thought, please take no malice when I say this is a blind spot for you. We all have places where, despite high intellect, we just don't have an actual grasp of the issue.

The only description I could give is imagine a world where population control was so tight straight sex had been outlawed, IVF and hyper selection were used to make a child and all sex was gay except for illegal sex. Imagine yourself born straight in this world, what would you do? How long before you were the play actor wishing you could just be a normal person?

People are able to act outside their genetic imperatives, social pressures can force us to pretend and we can have a reasonable life pretending things aren't really how they are.

The genetic precondition of being gay is not a blame event, we don't have a need to change it. The idea that we need to change it has roots in religions but probably was introduced when a few gay men had become visible in early leadership. Hatred of gays is not a natural thing someone introduced it and along with it the idea that gay was in some way "unnatural". First we declare it irregular then unnatural then unclean next unholy and finally untolerable. This is the religious walk of shame, made entirely of beliefs and imagination.

So my challenge to the world is try to learn why I am, rather then make me different. I was born in a deeply religious enviroment and eventually found freedom, along with it I found freedom from the pointless exercise of hating on myself.

Long ago I sat until I found my answers and I would say they all happened while I was in the womb. While I could and certainly do love many women and could sexually function as well, I would be fooling them. The terrible desire to change may be able to make me successfully be in a relationship with a woman and have a family even. This just makes the lie so much bigger and the fallout so much worse.

I have a past partner who tried, married had children, lived through the whole thing and left at 50 to be himself.

We don't need fixing, we are not broken. The desire to tell others how to live their life is something I question daily.
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I am not arguing that people do not struggle. However i felt that it was important to mention that from a universal perspective, we all have free will and we all have choice. Whether or not we are aware of our ability to make that choice is in and of itself a dilemma of the human consciousness. Not just with homosexuality but in many areas of life. And again I don’t mean dilemma in a bad way as in saying that the proposed choice to be gay is bad. I’m saying in some cases, we can react towards certain experiences in our lives that causes us to live inauthentic lives and causes us to reject certain aspects of ourselves and adopt certain behaviors that are incongruent with who we really are. And that can have very serious consequences whether you’re gay or not.

People who have certain sensitivities and vulnerabilities are more susceptible to outside stimuli that is produced by social influences such as people that they grew up with or people that they see in the media. That is known psychology. And in this generation for whatever reason there is more sensitivity and more fear and anxiety. And so it gives the opportunity for this influence of social stimulation to happen. And causes abnormalities with sexuality in general. (People will become hypersexualized and just wanna fuck everything with no emotional connection.) Again that’s both gay and straight people that it can happen to.

However there is interesting and unique qualities of homosexuality that is worth consideration and open mindedness to. and that is the fact that the only way to reproduce and to progress humanity through generations is through heterosexual sex. So in that sense you can say that homosexuality is not exactly in alignment with the natural progression of evolution and biology. If there were only gay people, the species would die out and not be able to sustain itself. It cannot even become a species without male and female reproduction. However that doesn’t necessarily mean being gay or having homosexual desires is a bad or negative thing or something that deserves demonization. You may not care about evolution and may feel that we are overpopulated in some ways so it might not even matter. It can create a balance within the evolutionary framework in some way. But only if it is felt authentically and not a byproduct of socialization and trauma.

Another interesting thing is that when it comes to homosexual men specifically, you are limited to anal sex which has been proven to cause more risk for sexually transmitted diseases. Again I’m not classifying it as good or bad or unclean I am just saying there are studies and tests out there that show this kind of stuff that you can look for yourself and that there is consequences to everything even if its a straight guy does anal with a girl. Homosexual males happen to be limited in that regard though so it is something that should be considered instead of just tossed away like it doesn’t matter.
 
I believe people are born with a certain allotment of total predisposition to each sex.

I mean, as far as I know, nobody can just be like (huh, not much lady’s around anymore, guess I’ll just switch to men) unless they were already atleast slightly gay in the first place
 
I would think nature plays the biggest role in this. Have seen countless documentary type things where a person is supposedly "nurtured" to be straight and they end up becoming gay later on. Of course, the examples I'm thinking of from these documentaries were quite traumatic cases wherein boys were raped by supposedly straight Christian men, things like that. Not exactly nurture in the way most of us are used to hearing the term. It's honestly heartbreaking to hear those stories, but as far as one coming out as gay and having been tortured by others, I would think these two things are mutually exclusive anyway.

I had a neighbor who would probably swear up and down that he was straight. Asshole shouted up at his ceiling one night while I was trying to sleep, "---'s Gay FOR MEEEE!"

Started to wonder after that... was I giving off subtle vibes that he could detect? Also started to wonder if perhaps I was gay and perhaps had denied or even repressed the thought. Also, in my plight, started to wonder if those subtle vibes were present everywhere I went, i.e. some kind of insecurity of sorts that I had when it came to defining or redefining my identity. Over the course of the next few years I started to settle in and accept things as they were and not how others had presented them to me (however aloof). Actually I became more comfortable with myself, despite not being gay.

I have to wonder, though... does the impact that bullies have on us really go so far or does their so called power work more like an object striking a tuning fork when it hits us with name-calling and such...?
 
Keif' Richards said:
All I know is that I turn chicks into lesbians. I'm not sure if this is an effect of nature, coincidence or perhaps some kind of hormone I'm excreting. Hope everyone's having a good day :)
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I had a few relationships that ended just like that, not sure if we're supposed to take this as a compliment for maybe leaning towards androgynous looks and making them realize their preferences, or if we were such a bad experience making them be done with dating guys :LOL:
 
ovenbakedskittles said:
I am not arguing that people do not struggle. However i felt that it was important to mention that from a universal perspective, we all have free will and we all have choice. Whether or not we are aware of our ability to make that choice is in and of itself a dilemma of the human consciousness. Not just with homosexuality but in many areas of life. And again I don’t mean dilemma in a bad way as in saying that the proposed choice to be gay is bad. I’m saying in some cases, we can react towards certain experiences in our lives that causes us to live inauthentic lives and causes us to reject certain aspects of ourselves and adopt certain behaviors that are incongruent with who we really are. And that can have very serious consequences whether you’re gay or not.

People who have certain sensitivities and vulnerabilities are more susceptible to outside stimuli that is produced by social influences such as people that they grew up with or people that they see in the media. That is known psychology. And in this generation for whatever reason there is more sensitivity and more fear and anxiety. And so it gives the opportunity for this influence of social stimulation to happen. And causes abnormalities with sexuality in general. (People will become hypersexualized and just wanna fuck everything with no emotional connection.) Again that’s both gay and straight people that it can happen to.

However there is interesting and unique qualities of homosexuality that is worth consideration and open mindedness to. and that is the fact that the only way to reproduce and to progress humanity through generations is through heterosexual sex. So in that sense you can say that homosexuality is not exactly in alignment with the natural progression of evolution and biology. If there were only gay people, the species would die out and not be able to sustain itself. It cannot even become a species without male and female reproduction. However that doesn’t necessarily mean being gay or having homosexual desires is a bad or negative thing or something that deserves demonization. You may not care about evolution and may feel that we are overpopulated in some ways so it might not even matter. It can create a balance within the evolutionary framework in some way. But only if it is felt authentically and not a byproduct of socialization and trauma.

Another interesting thing is that when it comes to homosexual men specifically, you are limited to anal sex which has been proven to cause more risk for sexually transmitted diseases. Again I’m not classifying it as good or bad or unclean I am just saying there are studies and tests out there that show this kind of stuff that you can look for yourself and that there is consequences to everything even if its a straight guy does anal with a girl. Homosexual males happen to be limited in that regard though so it is something that should be considered instead of just tossed away like it doesn’t matter.
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Sadly I just miss everything you say when you miss the point entirely.

You have happily made your choice to be straight, many bi sexual people choose to be straight. We are not all bi sexual. If you wish to metaphorically remove society from this conversation you can argue black is white or whatever. I am here as a member of society not a monk disallowing myself gratification in search of mythical purity.

I was not born bi-sexual, I was born gay. Some people are not like you.

Homosexuality is completely in alignment with biology and life, chance of being born gay increases exponentially per child. 3rd male child is 90%.

We are so overpopulated on earth now I am surprised it isn't that high for the second male. Nature, god, whatever you believe in makes us this way.

My personal belief follows science very tightly on how gay happens. With accuracy in the 90% range it is easy to see the correlations, being gay I spent half of my life chasing answers and found everything you have written repeated many places by people who believe they have answers sadly those answers are only good for people who, like you, can choose their sexuality. The real answers took a lot more persistence to find.

You are welcome to your opinion of me and people like me, but we will probably not have much conversation about it.
 
Sexuality is defined by society. During times of liberation, everybody gets down and dirty. If that isn't evidence enough, that we're all hound dogs, I don't know what is.

Women are more open about bisexual tendencies than men, but don't (in my experience) label themselves bisexual. They are straight, but they like watching porn with lesbians... Men aren't too far removed from this (if they're removed at all) but they're definitely less likely to admit it.

Most men (with the right circumstance and combination of drugs) will gladly have their dick sucked by another guy. The main concerns - generally - are: (1) will anybody find about it, (2) will anybody find out about it, and (3) will anybody find out about it? With a distant (4)/(5) being: shame and disease.

The reason teenage boys will fuck anything and everyone is because that is the natural state of man. We are horny little monkeys.

A blowjob is a blowjob.
 
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