🤝 Cultural 🤝 Are heroin users the happiest people?

[nznity]

Heroin is probably considered to be the most euphoric opiate. Keeping this in mind, I wonder if heroin users are the happiest people in the world? If they are under the influence every day?

Just wondering!

As a former heavy morphine IV user, I can attest that junkies are the unhappiest ppl there are out there.just think about it, you think someone happy has to use a potent narcotic and euphorant to numb themselves to the fucking core?? and not feel whatever the fuck hurts so much that u have to poke your veins multiple times a day.
Sad as fuck reality. Poor old 25 year old me.
I concur with @deficiT . Most miserable existence there is.

 

[Kellsee]

May I ask why you need this answer?

Are you really thinking that there’s people here that are gonna tell you the answer is yes?

 

[nznity]

Heroin, Morphine and most of the other opioids brought me more joy than any drug I ever used. Assuming I had a life time supply from a known good source (pharma grade) I would be content for the rest of my life. I'd take functional doses during the day then hopefully drift off to sleep with wonderful nod+morphine dreams.

The issue with heroin/morphine isn't the drug itself. It's everything that comes a long with it. Like waking up every morning in full blown withdrawal, spending all your money on it as supply dwindles and cash runs low, the risk that there is no supply at all when you need it the most and the things it makes you do/think about doing to score you next hit when you're in the depths of horrible horrible withdraws.

But if I had a life time supply, say from a Star Trek-like replicator in my home and the ability to formulate an extended release version (of whatever opioid) that would ensure I never woke up in withdrawal I'd be very very happy. At least for a little while. Of all the drugs of long term abuse heroin/morphine itself is probably one of the safest substances you can put into your body everyday. Assuming there is no combination drug like Tylenol in the tablets and assuming you can stay away from the needle. Well that and assuming you're careful not to push the dose up too high too fast to cause an overdose or mixing it with alcohol/benzos/etc that could kill you from respiratory failure.

"Content" is a better word to use instead of "happy". Opioids don't take away pain really they just make you not care about any pain you might be feeling. They don't enhance activities they just make you not really care if you're not enjoying or doing well at activates. They don't give you more happiness they just dull things like disappointment and other negative emotions. In time it's the only activity you want to partake in at all. You become so content you're perfectly okay with laying in your bed all day doing opioids while your life passes you by. You start to no longer care about things like making time for friends/family, having sex, participating in your hobbies, creating things. Your life revolves solely about doing and acquiring more of the drug. Which is why everyone always ends up having a bad time once they've been using for a long time. But those honeymoon days are really really nice. It's too bad they don't last forever. Even if you take long breaks from using opioids there is a bit of magic loss with them. You might be clean for years and use again. Get one of those amazing nods. But a day or two later your tolerance is jacked back up to its old level and even that one-two good days you get returning are never like the honeymoon phase.

Damnnnnn brother. You couldn't have crafted the idea better than that. Morphine was a blessing and a curse in my life, it still is. Feels so bloody good after so many years but has lost a bit of its magic. I needa quit for a while soon. Thx for that paragraph, I identified with it alot. Cheers

 

[Kellsee]

I’ll tell you whats it’s like

It's like spending every single penny you get on drugs.

It's like not getting to eat even if you’re starving because you need a fix more

It's like always having to lie to everyone that loves you
It's like waking up hating yourself because of all the shame and guilt.

It's like having to drink the poison that wants to kill you while never knowing if it’s right now

It's like never going to any family functions because you’re too high…or actually going too high

Its like always being too toxic to be included

It's like crying yourself to sleep every single night because your children are safer with other people

It's like knowing you gotta take a drug test a week before….but fail the damn thing anyway

It's like watching everyone else live while you slowly die.

It's like everythings always on drug dealers time. It’s ok. You’ll wait. For hours.

It's like having to sale all your most precious sentimentals

It's like losing everything you've ever owned

It's like nobody believing a word you said even tho it’s true

It's like being a prisoner inside your own head.

It's like contemplating suicide every single day.

It's like never being scared to die because that's what will feel better.


It's like watching your family cry cause they want you to stop

It's like you’ll do absolutely anything for more. Because you have to. So you do.


Does that sound like happiness to you?

 

[nznity]

I’ll tell you whats it’s like

It's like spending every single penny you get on drugs.

It's like not getting to eat even if starving because you need a fix more

It's like always having to lie to everyone that loves you
It's like waking up hating yourself because of all the shame and guilt.

It's like having to drink the poison that wants to kill you while never knowing if it’s right now

It's like never going to any family functions because you’re too high…or actually going too high

Its like always being too toxic to be included

It's like crying yourself to sleep every single night because your children are safer with other people

It's like knowing you gotta take a drug test a week before….but fail the damn thing anyway

It's like watching everyone else live while you slowly die.

It's like everythings always on drug dealers time. It’s ok. You’ll wait. For hours.

It's like having to sale all your most precious sentimentals

It's like losing everything you've ever owned

It's like nobody believing a word you said even tho it’s true

It's like being a prisoner inside your own head.

It's like contemplating suicide every single day.

It's like never being scared to die because that's what will feel better.


It's like watching your family cry cause they want you to stop

It's like you'd do absolutely anything for more. Because you had to. So you did.


Does that sound like happiness to you?

I shed a tear while reading this... tough memories.

 

[yubacity]

When u first start for a little while yea but quickly becomes a living hell as the years go by

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

It's like not getting to eat even if you’re starving because you need a fix more

This is the most important point you made. That's what opioids do to you. They re-program your brain to the point where they become more important than food and water. The two basic things required to continue living.

 

[Chihuahua gang]

There's a lot of ups and downs. It's never straight through happiness. For brief periods of time you're the happiest person on the planet but there is a come down to that no matter what. Everything euphoric I have ever abused is like that.

 

[Kellsee]

This is the most important point you made. That's what opioids do to you. They re-program your brain to the point where they become more important than food and water. The two basic things required to continue living.

Yes exactly. It’s like your brains a computer and the need for the drug has now been logged in and given it’s on drive as your number one required necessity for survival. I have to say that Ive never done heroin. I’ve never used a needle. I don’t think I’d still be here cause I know I’d love it. But I fell in love with OxyContin then methadone. Methadone didnt help me. Got me higher then hell tho. But I finally got stable on suboxone right before opanas got big. Thank God I never got ahold of one of those

But the lesson here is one of those thats hard to even imagine enough until it’s got you. It’s a dance with the devil. Once you accept it you don’t get to chose when the song ends. And theres not any free trials

Happiness comes down to making a conscientious choice that you are gonna be happy. It’s about being humble enough to really appreciate the moment. It’s about gratitude and grace

 

[Señor Moreno]

I wonder if heroin users are the happiest people in the world?

Yes, they probably are.
Some of them own big amounts of happiness, so big that they can't keep it indoors; they end up being homeless for that very reason, just no room for so much happines.



(Just joking mate, not making fun of the question or anything, just jk)

 

[Púca Rebellion]

I'm happy. But it's only since I realized my country was weaponizing shame against me. This is called "Toxic Shame".

Happiness as the inversion of shame? I guess it’s the idea that true happiness can only be found when you stop hiding parts of yourself, when you embrace the rawness and honesty of your existence, shedding the burden of shame. It's kind of a freedom from societal judgment, not letting others define your worth based on their views. When you stop running from shame, you might just find a deeper form of contentment.

I've loved opiates my entire life, and always will. )

 

[VerbalTruist]

I was miserable when I was using. 14 years free from opioids and ANY day in that time is better than when I was using. There were times when I was using where if I could have eaten a bullet, I would have in a heartbeat.

 

[foodcrisis]

my first reaction was to think this thread was kind of dumb, so i didn't post... but i keep thinking about it.

i don't think most people are really even happy, and it's more someone is content if they are best off... at a point i think heroin is probably going to get boring for a lot of people, so i think it's probably more of a form of relief... i think someone can go through the ups and downs of being addicted, and be just as content as a regular person.... it's more about the person's perspective and nartural chmical balance (some people deal with drugs easier than others or enjoy them more)... this is totally not a cut and dry question, although i think the OP was just looking for experiences and thoughts as opposed to a definite answer.

i rarely ever see people that come across as happy when i go out in public. i recognize people that appear to be content and might be feeling better than others.. but i generally don't see what appears to be happiness. some people come across more interested or engaged with others, but i'm not sure that's a sign of happiness... i think most people that experience true happiness probably have mental disorders similar to bi-polar... in a society like ours, there's always stuff to bring people down. i think how fucked up the world is causes a lot of mental health issues. what we see in society doesn't promote people to be able to feel their best... sometimes drugs help people ignore that and they feel better off. opiates are some people's DOC... i don't see why a drug free person would be better off than a hard drug user, especially opiates where if you have a clean supply you know you aren't at risk... if a person is gambling their life using cut shit then i'd probably guess they probably aren't thinking as well.

 

[Jeanpauldash]

A group of people put me with this gross piece of shit making a cliche out with of drug users when I was becoming homeless, anyway, no, I'm not happy

 

[foodcrisis]

my first reaction was to think this thread was kind of dumb, so i didn't post... but i keep thinking about it.

i don't think most people are really even happy, and it's more someone is content if they are best off... at a point i think heroin is probably going to get boring for a lot of people, so i think it's probably more of a form of relief... i think someone can go through the ups and downs of being addicted, and be just as content as a regular person.... it's more about the person's perspective and nartural chmical balance (some people deal with drugs easier than others or enjoy them more)... this is totally not a cut and dry question, although i think the OP was just looking for experiences and thoughts as opposed to a definite answer.

i rarely ever see people that come across as happy when i go out in public. i recognize people that appear to be content and might be feeling better than others.. but i generally don't see what appears to be happiness. some people come across more interested or engaged with others, but i'm not sure that's a sign of happiness... i think most people that experience true happiness probably have mental disorders similar to bi-polar... in a society like ours, there's always stuff to bring people down. i think how fucked up the world is causes a lot of mental health issues. what we see in society doesn't promote people to be able to feel their best... sometimes drugs help people ignore that and they feel better off. opiates are some people's DOC... i don't see why a drug free person would be better off than a hard drug user, especially opiates where if you have a clean supply you know you aren't at risk... if a person is gambling their life using cut shit then i'd probably guess they probably aren't thinking as well.

thinking about people being unable to be happy with cut heroin or maybe i was even implying i don't see how people could enjoy fentanyl from a lot of the reviews i've read... i really don't even know if it's it's possible to go through all that shit and still be happy... i can't really say any specific life style is going to make a person happy... but it seems kind of masochistic to be using cut drugs that you are uncertain of their quality and i don't know if that's true happiness, but i'm not really in these people's shoes... like if you are happy taking years off your life and constantly risking your life, i mean, maybe that's what makes a person happy... deep down, i'd think these people were unhappy, but i guess i don't really know... they could be happy wanting to die... i don't mean to trigger people to start thinking "hey that's me. i am happy". i have to say, i've had "drugs are the only thing that makes me happy" in my head and caused my body harm and did dangerous stuff. i don't have that mindset now. i would never do some of the stuff i used to.. i don't regret it cause i'm still here and don't have any lasting impairment... but some of the stuff i used to do doesn't really seem wise to me. i wasn't really as happy as i could be.... i feel like psychedelics can bring out some true feelings of happiness and like how i said opiates get boring, tripping is usually something new cause you can always use your imagination and get new visuals... i feel like most heroin users are running from anxiety or physical pain, and that's probably not the happiest on earth.

have to add a disclaimer that psychedelics can be hell for some people, and people can use their imagination on opiates too.. i think generally the stereotypes are kind of true though. psychedelic users are really engaged in their trip and opiates are just kind of like going to a peaceful place where nothing really happens. opiates are definitely boring to me. my imagination is not triggered to work like psychedelics, although i've hallucinated on high dose opiates.. if i take that much opiates, i get sick the next day though too unlike psychedelics.

 

[Parabolan]

Hell no, aside from the very beginning of use

 

[chris_p]

The only heroin user I know was a straight A student and now he is dead. Safe to say happiness is not worth it in this case.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

hell no. especially since the H turned into F +

 

[Keif' Richards]

I guess I understand how a person could make an assumption like that. However, I have known very few chronic Opioid users who describe themselves as "happy". Opioids can be a very expansive experience in the earlier stages. It's a way of seeing and interacting with happiness, safety and contentment in a way that is pretty near impossible to do in normal life. I believe this transcendent experience is the reason why people like artists and writers tend toward Opioids. The general trajectory though is that Opioids will drain you of every real emotion you have and basically leave you a husk who's only changeability in mood or motivation comes from your experience with the drug.

I think you can see this experience on display a lot with musicians. Granted, for a lot of these people, Heroin was not the only substance they were using, though this is still an apt point. Richard Manuel, pianist and songwriter for The Band. Heroin helped him with his stage fright and he made some objectively great music while under the influence. However, in the end, he couldn't sing, he was afraid to go on stage and all he really wanted to do was use Heroin by himself. Perhaps in his mind he was still interacting with that transcendence. It's like The One Ring, though I know you're all probably tired of that reference I've been making for 20 years. The Ring makes you all-powerful. It also takes everything from you. Heroin can make all of your problems go away, but it will take everything from you, your soul included.

As someone who used Heroin every day for over a decade, I can say that I was only really happy using it for the first 2 years at the most, while the rest were just me chasing the feeling I had used to get.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

if I could get non cut diacetyl in my budget range id be a pretty happy guy. (or maybe not by the time things were gettin serious the fet hit)