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Apprehensive about a nexus flip. Should I, or shouldn’t I?

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one4truth

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Question about the nexus flip. To preface, I have a solid 22 years of MDMA use in my pocket, but only a few experiences with 2CB. I don’t have any questions about the molly in itself. Rather I am wondering how the molly affects the 2cb come up. I have seen a number of people comment on the nausea aspect when coming up on 2cb, though that has never really been an issue for me with doses ranging from 5-15mg HCL taken orally. What bothers me with the 2cb come up is the restless agitation. It always has a dirty feel too it like it’s about to release all this euphoria but never gets there. I am apprehensive to try more than 15mg 2cb for that reason alone; as the agitation seemed to increase based on the dose. After 1.5-2 hours there is no agitation and I’m sitting pretty, enjoying the ride.
So, my question is, if 7-10mg of 2cb was taken 1-1.5 hours after the initial M drop, would that agitation still be noticeable, or would it couple nicely with the roll? I suppose I’m looking more to enhance the roll rather than a true flip. Any insight is greatly appreciated!!
 
I love 2cb. But i found orally it just didnt quite do it for me.

I tried lots of oral doses ranging from 15-30mg and found 25mg oral to be the best experience but alll of those experiences paled in comparison to nasal 2cb.

I found with oral there was a prolonged come up and that come up phase u speak of is elimanated when snorted and its much more intense visually, no comedown from 2cb i found at all nose dose hurt a little though!

Found as little as 7mg nasal to be effective. I imagine maybe plugging the 2cb might be better as the pain from snorting 2cb is not for the feint hearted (it stings!)

I think personally 2cb on its own is enough but its a great enhancer to mdma aswell.
 
And sorry i got caught up talking nasal 2cb which alot dont reccommed and i will digress its painful .. that i forgot to answer your question.

2cb will for sure enhance your roll. 15mg oral 2cb i found quite annoying aswell. 25mg i found a better dose orally.

7-10mg may be fine on a decent dose of mdma. I think that it should enhance the mdma quite nicely without the agitation you speak of
 
Bare_head said:
And sorry i got caught up talking nasal 2cb which alot dont reccommed and i will digress its painful .. that i forgot to answer your question.

2cb will for sure enhance your roll. 15mg oral 2cb i found quite annoying aswell. 25mg i found a better dose orally.

7-10mg may be fine on a decent dose of mdma. I think that it should enhance the mdma quite nicely without the agitation you speak of
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Thanks for the input. I’ve avoided the nasal route for any substance over the past 15-20 years (followed a nasty road I don’t care to revisit). I have plugged 10mg 2cb before, and you’re right, the agitation wasn’t nearly as bad, although it was still there to an extent. I suppose my biggest concern is that the agitation will override the lovey dovey good vibes of the roll, and turn it into something else entirely. At the same time, I could see how the restlessness would feel good if it was happening mid peak. I have a nice stock pile of my favorite chems and have been trying to fine tune combos, e.g., 5mapb/mdma, but I’ve been hesitant to pull the trigger on a 2cb/mdma combo specifically because of the agitation I get from the bees. It’s one of those things I need to be in the mood and ready to tolerate it if I’m going to do it. I’ve never really seen anyone address the come up agitation so I’m not sure if I’m just a bitch about it, or maybe it just isn’t my bag. Nevertheless, I would love to try it if I can work up the nerve.
 
Taking it later in the roll is what concerns me. I’m worried at that point, enough of the M effects would have worn off, that I would have the same anxious agitation I normally experience on the bees come up. In your experience, have you found taking the 2cb dose that late in the roll brings you back up where it feels more like a molly peak, or is it still clearly a 2cb peak? Essentially, I would like to have the latter effects of the 2cb, without the come up agitation, while enhancing/extending the roll.
If it helps, my sweet spot with M is, 130mg dissolved in a shot glass followed by 60-65mg one hour later in a capsule. Typically, this amount produces a solid five hour roll for me. My thought was to add 7-10mg of the bees to the redose capsule. What are the +\- you see with that combo?
 
This is entirely anecdotal but I’ve heard that with a nexus flip you skip much of the usual lengthy 2C-B come up. This would match my experience as I typically find that when redosing 2C-B orally I don’t have to wait nearly as long to feel the effects as I do with the initial dose.

I think generally the idea with the flip is to have the 2C-B replace the MDMA comedown which is the reason for dosing so late in the experience. If you time it correctly you can largely avoid the MDMA comedown.

Or so I’ve heard. Next time I take MDMA it’ll be a flip but I have no idea when that’ll be.
 
I concur with Shinji Ikari
that a flip is MDMA first and adding a Psychedelic after. Or at the peak.

And yes 2C-B or any other 2C does a good job in creating a flip. But 2C's just have this annoying anxious agitation. Its part of the deal ime. With the exception of 2C-T-2 which was very warm and friendly.

have you ever tried a Lysergic. Ime they are completely devoid of these symptom's. Certain Tryptamine's would also qualify, 4-HO-MIPT

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Shulgin recommends taking 2c-b just as the MDMA starts fading, so lets say after 3-3,5 hours for a normal dose.

If you like 15mg 2c-b on its own, id think 7-10 would suit you well.
 
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