DMAA > caffeine
I don't know what is in swim's blend, but I can achieve far greater volume working out on DMAA than caffeine.
Yeah, DMAA is a stimulant though (with a far more dubious safety profile than caffeine). That's my point, pre-workouts are only as good as the stimulant around which they are based.
Swim15 said:
I worked very hard on an extremely synergistic blend of stimulants combined of chatecholamine releasing and reuptake inhibiting agents that is significantly more effective than caffeine. Obviously I have no clincal trials to support this, just smashed PRs by me and lots of friends with years of other pre workouts to compare to.
Just to confirm, when you say a "blend of stimulants"... that is "more effective than caffeine"... do you that your pre-workout does not contain caffeine (or a substance of dubious legality and safety, ie, DMAA), and it is more effective than caffeine? Or do you mean that your pre-workout is just more effective than the caffeine content alone?
If it's the former I would be very very skeptical, the latter is believable I guess although I would think the effect would be marginal.
Just to clarify also, again, because I feel I'm banging on a bit here, I don't mean to sound rude or dismissive or anything, I'm not an expert and I'm open to being shown why I'm wrong, I'm just very highly skeptical of the effectiveness of mixes of relatively ineffective ingredients that purport to create a synergistic effect greater than that of any one of the parts. My main issue is something you mentioned earlier about supplement manufacturers having a limited amount of ingredients to work with - there are just not that many
true stimulants left that are both provably effective
and can be put in something that is going to be mass marketed... and the other non-
stimulant but vaguely
stimulating compounds left over, while they might have some small effect, it is really nothing compared to that of the "true" stimulants. I mean, apart from caffeine and creatine, what is left? Taurine? L-Tyrosine? DLPA? Please... Again, I am open to being proved wrong, so if there's something I'm missing here, please tell me.