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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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Damien said:
I'm still shocked that you guys don't get it there. I will be shocked until you get it lol.
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I used to wonder why its so rare here, I came to the conclusion that it's probably just supply and demand... The vast majority of normal drug users in the UK dont peruse internet drug forums and so don't have any exposure to knowledge about drugs like meth, thus there's never a large demand.

If there was large enough demand, then you can be sure there would be enterprising people who would arrange for it to be fulfilled with a supply.

Amphetamine sulphate was very prevailant in the 80s and 90s and there were a few big labs producing most of the UK supply - from reading about busts now and again in the news, it seemed they all operated using diverted P2P as the precursor, so they could have easily switched to meth if they had wanted to, but no-one was asking for it I suppose.
 
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There was a massive thread somewhere on Bluelight about this which had alot of conjectures etc. about why it hasn't turned up on the UK -

Think it must be a number of reasons - really strange how hasn't hit Europe - strange as you can get speed (normally shit quality in England though) so funny how can't get Meth.... not that hard to make either - how easy is it to get pseudo-ephedrine in Europe? Maybe harder?

It does sound like Speed was more popular / better? In the UK in 80s (70s also?) - and strange also as you said that same ingredients essentially so why not make Meth? In Australia apparantly alot of the speed is actually Meth anyhow and you can't actually get plain phet,

@Andy - I would be laughing if I was made of Meth :)

Maybe we should start a campaign - BRING METH TO UK (And Europe) - we could do a money raising event everything, maybe even a pop song or 2 to promote awareness, get some celebrity endorsement - The clandestine smugglers and cooks would have to start listening - even they have TV and radio surely?
 
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^ as I said above, the big UK amphet labs in the 80s and 90s all used diverted P2P so they wouldnt need pseudo if they had wanted to switch to meth production. I suspect in the States the big labs use P2P too and its only smaller / home labs using reductions of pseudo, but perhaps a US Bler can confirm or deny?
 
Scuse the ignorance but what is P2P? My chemistry knowledge is fairly (or shoud I say very) rudimentary
 
So I take it that can be used as a pre-cursor? Shows my ignorance as thought it was always pseudo-ephedrine...

We can put this info into the bring Meth to UK (and Europe) Campaign
 
P2P (aka BMK / benzl methyl ketone) can be used to make either amphetamines or methamphetamines, I think the only difference is that the chemist would use methylamine instead of ethylamine in the reaction to get meth, along with whatever reducing agent is used.

Now P2P, methylamine and ethylamine are all substances that have legitimate uses in industry and production of pharmaceuticals etc, so they are commerically available but are closely watched. All chemical supply companies have to adhere to strict reporting requirements for any suspicious purchase of wacthed chemicals. So, if you were to set up a ficticous company, rent out a premise, make an account with Sigma-Aldrich, then order 1kg of P2P, you wouldnt receive your order, rather you'd have an early morning wake up call with SOCA officers kicking your door down. (or the DEA in the States).

So small lab clandestine chemists do use pseudo-ephedrine because its relatively OTC in pharmaceutical products (although again it is a watched chemical itself so cant be ordered from a chemical supply company).

Big labs run by organised gangs have the resources to "divert" things like P2P, whether it be stealing it from legitimate labs or smuggling it from China etc.
 
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So do you reckon the precursors are harder to get in Europe than say the States or Australia (where speed & meth in particular is huge) - does anyone want to join the bring Meth to the UK campaign ... anyone? (silence...)
 
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Our voices will be heard - any clandestine chemists you can see at least 2 or 3 potential customers here :p maybe even more, thats at least £100 profit a week?
 
Its in the UK - I know of several areas where its pretty easy to come by. Its strange as I dont know any dealer directly but I could get via friend of a friend.
 
That puts the whole bring Meth to the UK a little silly - - - clearly I don't know the right people! Strange as can most other drugs (although decent speed I would be hard pushed to source also), what areas are you referring to Bearlove and can I get there by train :p
 
barafundle said:
come on now,im sure youd say the same about crack and maybe (but probably not) coke,but i know loads who just use now and again and im one of them,and i also inject it.Most i do is once a month.Like most drugs that doesnt have a bad physical withdrawl like heroin,its about the type pf person taking the drug,not the drug
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so you inject meth right? fairplay if you can control your use like that, your right some people can, but some could be properly addicted after their first couple of hits. thats the same for all drugs though, some people cant go a day without weed, personally i just blaze every now and then. some just got addictive personalitys i guess. Do you personally get no side effects from using meth then?
 
Skyline_GTR said:
Amphetamine sulphate was very prevailant in the 80s and 90s and there were a few big labs producing most of the UK supply - from reading about busts now and again in the news, it seemed they all operated using diverted P2P as the precursor, so they could have easily switched to meth if they had wanted to, but no-one was asking for it I suppose.
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This is exactly the case, in my experience. I was friendly with one of the aforementioned big speed chemists in the 90s and they did make small amounts of meth for personal use and for friends. That's where I've tried it. Seriously couldn't give it away to most folks at the time though. Was around the time base started to replace sulphate and was hard enough getting rid of pure liquid base - people actually refused it (and meth) unless it was cut cos it was just too strong and lasted too long. Most people seem to prefer shit speed where you're (barely) up and down in a few hours off a gram. Most speed-users actually prefer shit speed :\
 
Mate says he scored a gram of meth here on sat. £50 a g and said he never felt much off 100mg bomb then all of a sudden was electrified! :D Also said he smoked some. Apparently was going 30hrs off 250mg in total. Said it was kind of mushy stuff in amoungst it aswell though so not too sure. Also said come down was soul destroying and now has throat infection.
 
I should get the car and drive down to the south and talk to some Camorra guy, they have some serious business skills, they are involved in pretty much any activity that makes money, from waste management, to international trafficking, counterfeiting, etc.

Some neighbourhoods of Naples would be perfect to set up some Mexican-style super meth labs, I'm not talking about a redneck trailer park set up, but something like those warehouse labs they have in Judad Juarez that can cook out tons of product every month.

At some point they will have to smell the business and then a new era of cheap available meth will begin, we can only dream, I'm saving all lighbulbs I can find, they might be of use some day, also I agree with Muttonchops, cheap, strong smokable speed will be the end of me, but oh well, we can't live forever.
 
So all you clandestine chemists and crafty cooks - this thread again illustrates the electrifying and huge hole in the market for you to fill with your shady shards of sublime ice - don't delay get cooking today!

@Derby - most people I have met preferred to smoke meth (melting it, don't touch with the flame) - really hard to snort & muchos painful - met people who inject also - I am not sure if in reality is a massive deal more addictive than speed although in my travels met some people that it had clearly destroyed (think actual caved in cheeks as you would see on anti-drug campaigns for real..!).

Funny thing is having tried ice (meth) & mephedrone I would almost be tempted to say that meph more addictive in the short term (although I am sure people would debate this) - I think perhaps due to the nature and physical side effects of ice that perhaps it would lead to more obvious damage immediately / in the short term (also I reckon has potential to cause aggression / psychosis fairly easily) -

Any drug can be dangerous mind -

nb - cooks / chemists / home chefs - we will be responsible, please get making, hear the cries...
 
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