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Anyone seen methamphetamine in the UK/Europe?

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not in Europe eh. it's everywhere here. the good shit still comes in from california. i don't think there are any mexican labs here yet. most of the local stuff is just shake n bake.. luckily i've never touched anything except crystal. fuck that sketchy homemade shit. i'm sure it wouldn't even get me high, considering what i'm used to

the only slang i know for crystal meth is glass, ice, tina and girl. crystal meth itself isn't slang. it's literally the crystallized form - i.e. (pure) meth hcl.. i remember the hell's angels and crank. altho i never tried it, i've heard from friends that it was more like adderall or trucker's speed than crystal meth. probably shitty stuff

i don't find meth addictive. it makes me perform 10x better on everything, but after 3-4 days of use, it stops working. then i have to take a few days off to recover before it'll work again

the act of smoking it is fucking fun & addictive because of its mellow high, which is also the most recreational for me. plugging is the best for work & focus. snorting is recreational for a lot of people. i find it tolerable, but it's edgy & wastes more than the other two... every route is different

i think a lot of people get caught up in their rituals and end up addicted / ruining their lives. however, if you don't get caught up in the bullshit and just see it for what it is, it isn't that bad and certainly no different from other drug use (incl alcohol)

the key is moderation. use the least amount you need. i've seen so many people waste good drugs with poor technique or just plain impulsive stupidity (i.e. - let's see how fucked up i can get, mentality).. ime, meth is one of those drugs where you need to use moderation. abusing it will only make you regret it later
 
the beeIm going to try to find the medical papers on this, it's to do with your body's production of dopamine apparently. It has been several years since i read this tho, so i maybe slightly wrong.
Have you had any experience on meth mate?
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I know this question isn't directed at me. There was a study done in Hawaii, where ice has been a major drug of abuse since the early 90s. When I was visiting Maui in 93' I met a guy on the beach that had been up for several days and, and as he stated, had been up for several days. In the Terretorial US Ice is a major DOA in Guam, the American Samoa (where you can get 2 years in prison for possession), and the Northern Marianas, especial Saipan.

At any rate, the study performed by investigators affiliated with the University of Hawaii, was following a group of subjects that had gone into rehab to quit methamphetamine. The study used brain imaging techniques, either MRI or PET scans. The results seemed to suggest that neurotoxicity didn't cease while the drug or its metabolites where still pressent in urine but deterioration of brain tissue continued for up to 6 months after cessation of the drug. These results are alarming but without the study in front of me I have no way of evaluating it. Peer review, experimental design, alot of these studies are flawed.

There is definately a period of withdrawl- i've been through it. You sleep for several days, get up to eat, and feel extreme depresssion and anhedonia- during a week long drought- memorial day of 95' I remember an apotalyptic type of feeling. The depression- from experience with lots of people that have used the drug and kicked- is that the depression and anhedonia increase in time. There is a fog and difficulty conentrating thats bad in the first30-90 days but that does get better. What usually bothers alot of people is that sex, decrease intensity of orgasims, inability to enjoy like before ect... seem to persit for a while and are a major cause of relapse.

The point is, methamphetamine specifically has been in clinical and/or illicit use on this planet for atleast 70+ years. As far as long term adverse effects. Japan, with outside help no doubt, rebuilt there country after world war II despite the pervasiveness of this drug. In the US after decades of wide spread Rx of this and other Amphetamines, the Republic still stands. Amphetamines were used during world war II on both sides to increase productivity.

Back to neurotoxicity and withdrawl. Lots of adults and even more kids in the US are on adderal or another amphetamine. It wouldn't surprise me if were the largest consumer of legitimate Rx of amphetamines. As far as the neurotoxicity- with the different synthetic pathways employed, it may be a contaminate and not the drug itself that is the culprit. Or neurotoxins might be produced as a result of pyrolysis- more people are smoking it now a days.

When I first used meth- it was "crank" which I snorted. The high was euphoric but when I would get a hold of the glass- it was always supperior and smother.

Compared to crack. Crack gives you an intense mind blowing high- dramatic like a hit of nitrous and fleeting. Smoked meth makes you euphoric but the rush is less intense and more sustained. To date, this is the best aphrodisiac I have found for men or women. With crack I would usually need to sit down after a hit. With meth, the high would build, intense, but less mind blowing. Usually would feel euphoric as hell for 6 hours and then jittery comedown for a day or 2. With daily use- start to tweak. I always needed to use heroin and benzos with it to take off the edge. During one phase in 94'-95, I would have foil by my bed (didn't know about pipes yet.) I would have both tweak and stuff on my nightstand. I would run the tar on foil to settle my stomach. take a valium (we were getting back then in TJ), smoke the tweak. Get out of bed and go to work. Smoke tweak during lunch and 1 break. Smoke more when I got home @ 1800. Smoke heroin the rest of the evening. Take 1 valium and 0.5 mg halcion with a beer to sleep. Usually used 60 mg valium a day. This was my daily routine for about 9 months when my connect went to jail. I got fired right before this because after a few months my behavior became progressively more and more erratic- and i was working in a lab were eccentric behavior was somewhat tolerated. Was let go without the subject of drugs comming up. Became a full blown speedball addict for 6 months after that- that drug I couldn't imagine functioning on although I know someone that was functioning, an attorney, that would go to mexico frequently to get his black and white, mix it, and work. He would even shot a speedball in the bathroom occasionally before going in chambers with the judge. I know tweakers who have used the drug for 20+ years and had managed to function before comming into recovery. The gay community here is full of them. I think with this drug harm reduction goes a long way as does socioeconomic status- eg better nutrition, dentation, access to health care.

Point is drugs very in abuse potential and people very. As most of us know- there is still alot of drug propaganda- no drug is as bad as the press and government hype them to be. I also don't think the adverse effects of this drug are that much different than amphetamine- not to the extent the press would have you believe. But make no mistake- the life of the tweaker is insane, desperate, and tweakers are known for their scandalousness among the drug underground.

So despite my loquaciousness, I'm not tweaking- believe it or not. In conclusion, in moderation, if you don't have any pre existing conditions, tweaking occasionally isn't going to be any more deleterious than a heavy alcohol bender. But make no mistakes, this is a highly addictive drug especially when shot or smoked up there with crack, heroin, PCP, methaqualone (smoked). Use with extreme caution if at all. But if your familiar with the effects of chronic speed, as far as the long term adverse consequences- in my opinion this isn't much different. Others familiar with both may disagree, though, and i would be interested to hear differing opinions.
 
in east germany the avaibility of meth is good..... much is produced in czech republic
 
jspun said:
The depression- from experience with lots of people that have used the drug and kicked- is that the depression and anhedonia increase in time. There is a fog and difficulty conentrating thats bad in the first30-90 days but that does get better. What usually bothers alot of people is that sex, decrease intensity of orgasims, inability to enjoy like before ect... seem to persit for a while and are a major cause of relapse.
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So, BL'er's correct me if im wrong :) - but as far as i understand it: ALL stimulants (caffeine,coke,speed etc) trigger Dopamine in the brain, and this is chemically like the pleasure button, that is also pressed at the moment of orgasm. So the intensity of 'pleasure' is increased while on such drugs. So after a period of addiction/session the normal everyday pleasure has a seeming second rate quality.
This was one of the more long term side effects of meth use.
Recently I have heard of people who are suffering from the lethargy that comes with long term stimulant 'abuse' adding the amino acid 'L-Dopa' into their diets, but this too has documented side effects :\
 
BiatX said:
in east germany the avaibility of meth is good..... much is produced in czech republic
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yeah I imagine it's easier to get a hold of on the continent, i've never come across it here though it's the kind of thing that I can see being manufactured in eastern europe. My guess would be that since theres no following here (on the isles) theres no real point importing it as it would be difficult to shift.
 
Gormur said:
the act of smoking it is fucking fun & addictive because of its mellow high, which is also the most recreational for me. plugging is the best for work & focus. snorting is recreational for a lot of people. i find it tolerable, but it's edgy & wastes more than the other two... every route is different
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I used to find that smoking it was a waste of time because I never got a rush after the first few hits, it was just a plateau. Plus waiting for the pipe to come round if taking in company was murder. You can never get enough.

I used to crush it with glucose and snort it. There's something about a line of speed that I just can't resist.

Looking at the picture of the bag gives me pangs & I haven't had any in 3 years. I never want to see this stuff again.

Lovely terrible old ice.
 
Everyone should read this article about Dr Carl Hart and his studies on recreational meth users - the only research lab in the US to give meth users pure doses and monitor the health effects -

http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazi...es/carl-hart-the-drug-data-pusher.aspx?page=1

In quick succession, Hart shows the Union Hall audience a series of slides containing data from ResLab and MethLab studies. The sequence demonstrates that humans subjected to simulated shift-work show significant cognitive impairment when rotated between normal working hours and overnight schedules. In the next sequence, he discusses a study in which these participants were given small doses of methamphetamine, and their shift related cognitive impairment was significantly reduced -- they made fewer mistakes and completed cognitive tasks more quickly than when they were given placebo doses. Of course, says Hart, the military has known about this for years, which is why some pilots are offered dextroamphetamine for long-haul bombing missions.

Hart next tried offering these participants the choice between a low dose of meth and a small monetary voucher, at different times of day. The prediction was that, meth being a potent reinforcer, users would take it compulsively; what he found was that people would take it in the morning but not in the evening, when it would stop them sleeping -- using it to get through the day in the same way office workers self-administer caffeine; and if the monetary reward was large enough, they would pass up the dose. These findings call into question the notion that addiction is driven by the reward of a chemically induced euphoria and that meth -- legally prescribed to treat ADHD, narcolepsy and obesity -- is the destructive drug so maligned by the NIDA and the popular press. Hart's conclusion was that his subjects were indeed making rational choices about their drug use.
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The irony has never escaped, that while our governments will happilly allow their pilots to ingest this dangerous & illegal substance so they might be better able to "drop fire on people", they frown on our usage of it for the purposes of partying, dancing & screwing...!

FUCK THEM!
 
fuck, i cant even get shitty amphetamine at the moment, the idea of pure meth ampthetamine crystal is beyond belief haha :)

some cunt set up a lab in scotland!
 
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My boss at Royal Mail Aberdeen said she got hassled cos she wouldnt let the cops open a Special Delivery Packet that alledgedly contained crystal meth (only Customs can do this or Royal Mail) but the spaz who posted wrote down his and teh recipients address on teh paperwork so they just waited and busted them both :p
 
jspun said:
There is definately a period of withdrawl- i've been through it. You sleep for several days, get up to eat, and feel extreme depresssion and anhedonia- during a week long drought- memorial day of 95' I remember an apotalyptic type of feeling. The depression- from experience with lots of people that have used the drug and kicked- is that the depression and anhedonia increase in time.
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I never understood that. See, i eat more on meth = food tastes better, i'm burning fat. i sleep better at the end of the day, since i'm burnt out; my mind isn't wandering as usual. withdrawal = no appetite, sluggish digestion (to the point i can't follow through for up to 2 weeks, no matter what i do), & incredible insomnia - i lie in bed with eyes closed for 5-6 days and try everything to sleep (exhausting myself, taking sedatives, etc)..

i don't feel depressed. i feel empty, anhedonic. there's no emotion so i care about nothing. i won't talk to anyone or bathe for weeks & not even notice. i hallucinate. without a doubt, it's a shitty withdrawal. however, the withdrawal from d-amp is far worse for me.. like no comparison. i go completely psychotic.. pull hairs out, talk to voices in my head, etc.. not a pretty sight i'm sure

i can only take meth for 3-4 days in a row before it stops working, but it's way smoother & i don't get all tweaked out on it, like with d-amp. d-amp is just way too edgy for me nowadays whereas meth has always made me feel relaxed, calm, & focused.. i hate feeling speedy. my mind is already too sped up, so i need to slow it down to focus. with meth, i can multitask and maintain some sense of time/order. i have no idea why it's so different for me

What usually bothers alot of people is that sex, decrease intensity of orgasims, inability to enjoy like before ect... seem to persit for a while and are a major cause of relapse.
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yea. there's really no comparison to having sex for like 8hrs straight & not climaxing; like a neverending orgasm.. i mean, there's no way sex or anything else will feel that good again. then after a while you need it just to feel normal, but you forget what normal feels like after a while anyway. see, i never enjoyed sex or food anyway till i used stimulants. i guess cause i have ADD & schizotypal, so i never felt much pleasure without drugs. before drugs i just binged on food to feel high, since i was a kid, & used caffeine+sugar till they eventually stopped working for me.. i'm sure the same will happen with meth/amp after a while. i'll just burn myself out

Back to neurotoxicity and withdrawl. Lots of adults and even more kids in the US are on adderal or another amphetamine. It wouldn't surprise me if were the largest consumer of legitimate Rx of amphetamines. As far as the neurotoxicity- with the different synthetic pathways employed, it may be a contaminate and not the drug itself that is the culprit. Or neurotoxins might be produced as a result of pyrolysis- more people are smoking it now a days.
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i'm no expert, but i think the neurotoxicity is partly indirect; oxidative stress kills brain cells (ie dopaminergic/serotonergic neurons) & muscle tissue, then you eventually end up with things like dementia (alzheimer's), parkinson's, & heart disease

When I first used meth- it was "crank" which I snorted. The high was euphoric but when I would get a hold of the glass- it was always supperior and smother.
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i've never noted a high or rush from meth. i just feel awake & clear-headed, no matter how much i do. i feel mellow. after 5-6hrs, i start to gradually feel tired & have no desire to do more that day. that's probably why i never got into trouble with it. i may have a natural tolerance to it. using more than i needed to wake up just felt like a waste. idk. it must be different for people without AD(H)D.. now d-amp, cocaine/crack, mdma.. those all make me high & fucked up feeling, in the recreational sense. i don't act like myself at all

Point is drugs very in abuse potential and people very. As most of us know- there is still alot of drug propaganda- no drug is as bad as the press and government hype them to be. I also don't think the adverse effects of this drug are that much different than amphetamine- not to the extent the press would have you believe. But make no mistake- the life of the tweaker is insane, desperate, and tweakers are known for their scandalousness among the drug underground.
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i think in one sense i'm addicted to it. it helps me perform better & realize a lot of things i normally wouldn't notice, & i realize my life is pretty hard without it.. but idk. it was difficult before i started doing meth/amp (meds) & my behavior was worse, so i can't say that it's all good or bad. i think just realizing i need some kind of drug to help my mind work adequately is depressing, because i know that it'll eventually stop working & i'll be out of options

ps- i'm not tweaking either. this is how i write sober.. always running on cause i get stuck on useless details. well, i hope that helped someone. i guess this is way off-topic tho

peace
 
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Here in sweden ive come by it a few times. Though i enjoy regular "street amphwtamine" more.
And I always IV my amph.
 
I have read some reports in here that ppl in UK have been told there were getting meth but it just turns out to be normal speed (amp), and one guy i read was abit confused, he was thinking that maybe the speed or amp sulfate he gets in the UK is the same stuff but its just called meth/crystal meth in USA/aus. here is a pic of some 'ice' i got here in sydney this week, hope this helps ppl and maybe stop anyone getting told its meth when its not...


 
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No offence ment mate but do you seriously think most people don't already know the differences between meth and sulphate? There might be the odd person who doesn't but on here, where there are plenty of educated drug users I doubt it.

The likes of Evad, SHM and CCF who have had meth in the UK know what they are talking about. :)
 
McFly said:
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My boss at Royal Mail Aberdeen said she got hassled cos she wouldnt let the cops open a Special Delivery Packet that alledgedly contained crystal meth (only Customs can do this or Royal Mail) but the spaz who posted wrote down his and teh recipients address on teh paperwork so they just waited and busted them both :p
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Yeah but remember, there was an RC vendor in Scotland who got his methylone busted by customs showing up as crystal meth...

Unless the package was coming from Eastern Europe, US or Aus then I doubt it. More likely RC's which the customs tested and thought was meth.
 
discopupils said:
It's rampant in the London gay scene, I can get it but I'm dubious :)
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HA! Good for you. Are you really a member of the gay scene? :-P ;-)

Just updating on the status of crystal in London (specifically the gay scene), prices range from 30-70 for 0.25g, i know its expensive, I've tried 2 different suppliers and they both seemed to have similar quality stuff aka CUT AS FUCK.

I've met another one last week whom I plan to test soon, will keep you updated.

I don't get how it can be so addictive btw, I'm only doing it twice a month (restriction set to myself) and I never feel like having it on weekdays or in normal life situations, just when I'm going out hardcore.
 
I'm hoping to get the opportunity to try meth in the coming weeks. Hearing it's 0.2 for £20 which is ok. Will probably just bomb it, about 50mgs when clubbing see how it is. May mix with some MDMA if I like it :)
 
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