I understand it was used by some bodybuilders in the 80's for the GH release. At low dose, GHB is a stimulant, high dose makes you get the best sleep ever. I've read that it provides great pumps in the gym as it is actually prescribed for cataplexy (muscle weakness), and the prescription GHB is called Xyrem. I'd like to know what you people know about this "forgotten" compound.
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anyone here still have love for GHB - natural GH releaser, etc.
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NeighborMike
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Like CFC said there are much safer alternatives..
The key part of youre start is bodybuilders in the 80s used it...we have come a long way since then
Ive known plenty of bodybuilders who used GBL/GHB and it didnt turn out well. You may as well go get a script of nexium if youre gonna be messing with that stuff
The key part of youre start is bodybuilders in the 80s used it...we have come a long way since then
Ive known plenty of bodybuilders who used GBL/GHB and it didnt turn out well. You may as well go get a script of nexium if youre gonna be messing with that stuff
I forget the science behind GH release, but I believe I've posted extensively on the subject some years ago.. You are correct it acts as a stimulant at about 1.5g via GHB receptors, and a CNS depressant via GABA-B receptors above about 3.5g... Sleep tends to last up to 4 hours but no longer due to lowering concentrations of drug in the body until it reached 1.5g again and the user bounces up awake... Drug induced sleep isn't the same as natural sleep...!!
GHB is an interesting synergist when taken before or with other recreational drugs such as LSD,Salvia, Amphetamine, MDMA, MDA, 2-CB, 2-CE, 4-MMC etc..
Yes, very interesting. I've read GHB works best with a stimulant (amphetamine), not sure why when it is already a stimulant itself at low dosage. My main interest in GHB is that it has potential to cure my OCD considering OCD issues tend to be linked to the gaba system. I'm not prone to addiction (AFAIK) so I think the GH activity is a great addition as well than expensive HGH. The process to make GHB is said to be the easiest, but I'd have to look more into it. From what I understand it's really just OTC GABA supplement with lye (sodium hydroxide). There are other routes as well...
See below the magic of GHB:
Description of the Psychotropic Effects of GHB (1985)
GHB has the following properties:
1) GHB stimulates sociability, which means that you feel like communicating with other people in all ways: emotionally, intellectually, sexually. And from this communication you feel a very strong and deep happiness.
2) GHB gives you a strong desire to touch others, physically and psychologically.
3) Communication becomes extremely gratifying as you feel you want to become close to people, not to isolate yourself.
4) GHB induces a strong sense of beauty. Everything looks so beautiful, so vivid, so enjoyable, so pleasurable, so important, so "deep".
5) The perception of movement is enhanced.
6) Three-dimensional perception is enhanced and vision seems more clear, better than usual.
7) The contrast of colours between objects is increased. A yellow "pissenlit" (dandelion), or a rose, etc, situated in front of, say, green grass, looks brighter, more real, closer to you.
8) If you are a man, a woman will look magnificent and very attractive. She may become just like a goddess to your eyes. Women will experience the same feelings towards men. However, these kinds of feelings depend of your cultural background. For instance, a simple Siamese woman will not feel such intense feelings but will report that she feels drunk! GHB is a very important tool in investigating the emotional background of a person. For instance loving people will become more loving while people devoid of these feelings will just feel in good mood, only. Some people may cry, which demonstrates that they have a lot of repressed material in themselves, etc. Crying under GHB is a very liberating experience because you can take out and release things which you normally keep deep inside and which thus hurt you. Crying under GHB takes away accumulated inner moral pains.
9) Sensuality becomes very intense. You want to touch, to kiss, to caress, to hold, to love, to hug, to make love. In summary, you want to contact others through any means available because you are just highly sociable!
10) According to Henri Laborit, GHB renders the clitoris more sensitive. Moreover, GHB increases love and sexual desires both in women and men.
11) You can sometimes feel a deep sense of "meaningfulness". Things become meaningful to you, even you are unable to scientifically define such a mystical feeling. This meaningfulness of reality is a very interesting phenomenon from a scientific point of view as it seems to show that there exists a "circuit" of meaningfulness in our nervous system. Non-specific activation of this circuit, under GHB, would give us a "deep" sense of "meaningfulness" which is, of course, imaginary.
12) GHB stimulates your recall abilities related to previous GHB experience. Each time you take GHB you can often clearly remember memories stored under another GHB context. Emotions are especially well-remembered and reexperienced. From these and other observations, I think GHB should be a tool of choice in psychoanalysis.
13) Some people feel an urge to defecate after GHB, probably because of muscle relaxation! One of the first reactions from a colleague of mine, after GHB, is to go to the toilet!!!
14) In fact, GHB induces a very pleasant sense of muscle relaxation, especially in the legs.
15) One of the most remarkable action of GHB is that it gives you a strong desire to live and to remain alive, despite unfavourable conditions.
http://drugwatch.info/ap_ClaudRifat.htm
Sounds like the steroid and HGH I'd been looking for all my life! I don't know why scientists haven't found anything else that work on the GHB receptor. Seems obscure and have deeper functions than currently known.
See below the magic of GHB:
Description of the Psychotropic Effects of GHB (1985)
GHB has the following properties:
1) GHB stimulates sociability, which means that you feel like communicating with other people in all ways: emotionally, intellectually, sexually. And from this communication you feel a very strong and deep happiness.
2) GHB gives you a strong desire to touch others, physically and psychologically.
3) Communication becomes extremely gratifying as you feel you want to become close to people, not to isolate yourself.
4) GHB induces a strong sense of beauty. Everything looks so beautiful, so vivid, so enjoyable, so pleasurable, so important, so "deep".
5) The perception of movement is enhanced.
6) Three-dimensional perception is enhanced and vision seems more clear, better than usual.
7) The contrast of colours between objects is increased. A yellow "pissenlit" (dandelion), or a rose, etc, situated in front of, say, green grass, looks brighter, more real, closer to you.
8) If you are a man, a woman will look magnificent and very attractive. She may become just like a goddess to your eyes. Women will experience the same feelings towards men. However, these kinds of feelings depend of your cultural background. For instance, a simple Siamese woman will not feel such intense feelings but will report that she feels drunk! GHB is a very important tool in investigating the emotional background of a person. For instance loving people will become more loving while people devoid of these feelings will just feel in good mood, only. Some people may cry, which demonstrates that they have a lot of repressed material in themselves, etc. Crying under GHB is a very liberating experience because you can take out and release things which you normally keep deep inside and which thus hurt you. Crying under GHB takes away accumulated inner moral pains.
9) Sensuality becomes very intense. You want to touch, to kiss, to caress, to hold, to love, to hug, to make love. In summary, you want to contact others through any means available because you are just highly sociable!
10) According to Henri Laborit, GHB renders the clitoris more sensitive. Moreover, GHB increases love and sexual desires both in women and men.
11) You can sometimes feel a deep sense of "meaningfulness". Things become meaningful to you, even you are unable to scientifically define such a mystical feeling. This meaningfulness of reality is a very interesting phenomenon from a scientific point of view as it seems to show that there exists a "circuit" of meaningfulness in our nervous system. Non-specific activation of this circuit, under GHB, would give us a "deep" sense of "meaningfulness" which is, of course, imaginary.
12) GHB stimulates your recall abilities related to previous GHB experience. Each time you take GHB you can often clearly remember memories stored under another GHB context. Emotions are especially well-remembered and reexperienced. From these and other observations, I think GHB should be a tool of choice in psychoanalysis.
13) Some people feel an urge to defecate after GHB, probably because of muscle relaxation! One of the first reactions from a colleague of mine, after GHB, is to go to the toilet!!!
14) In fact, GHB induces a very pleasant sense of muscle relaxation, especially in the legs.
15) One of the most remarkable action of GHB is that it gives you a strong desire to live and to remain alive, despite unfavourable conditions.
http://drugwatch.info/ap_ClaudRifat.htm
Sounds like the steroid and HGH I'd been looking for all my life! I don't know why scientists haven't found anything else that work on the GHB receptor. Seems obscure and have deeper functions than currently known.
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NeighborMike
Bluelighter
I mean thats a good post and all, but the shit is very unhealthy for you despite its apparent benefits
thats also information from 30 years ago...much has changed since then
like i said above, if that something u wanna fuck with go ahead and grab you some nexium youre gonna need it
thats also information from 30 years ago...much has changed since then
like i said above, if that something u wanna fuck with go ahead and grab you some nexium youre gonna need it
If abused...anything is unhealthy so is food, etc.
Why Nexium? I don't get the purpose of it. It's not like I'd be overloading on GHB. 1/2 gram is said to be stimulating and aphrodisiac. 2.5 grams you pass out to sleep.
The info. I posted above may be 30 years old but then again no one really knows much about GHB (and the GHB receptor) since it has been "forgotten" and or less studied, I would assume because the pharmaceuticals think it's too easy to make GHB that anyone could make it without requiring any expensive tools or controlled precursors that it had not gotten much attention.
Why Nexium? I don't get the purpose of it. It's not like I'd be overloading on GHB. 1/2 gram is said to be stimulating and aphrodisiac. 2.5 grams you pass out to sleep.
The info. I posted above may be 30 years old but then again no one really knows much about GHB (and the GHB receptor) since it has been "forgotten" and or less studied, I would assume because the pharmaceuticals think it's too easy to make GHB that anyone could make it without requiring any expensive tools or controlled precursors that it had not gotten much attention.
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NeighborMike
Bluelighter
If youre getting real GBL/GHB the stuff cannot be good for you at all, it burns through plastic and cleans metal, it even burned through my pants 1 time when I forgot to tighten the cap on a bottle when I went out 1 time
I know a bunch of people who ave acid felux now related to it
Snarky91
Bluelighter
The truth is many people in this sub-forum are avid users of drugs besides steroids. I remember watching a video where dorian Yates said he didn't drink much and he could count on one hand the number of times he was out past 11 pm. It could be the truth or a flat out lie, but the point is this type of behavior is an anomaly. Most bodybuilders are hooked up on sleeping drugs at a minimum, and many more use cocaine amphetamines and painkillers while they take steroids. If you've ever used rec drugs whilst on steroids, you know that testosterone and trenbolone, for example, somehow alter the ability to feel pleasure from rec drugs. As a result, people will take higher doses to compensate for lack of getting high on regular doses. Sometimes this kills people.
If you're willing to inject yourself with a needle, what's popping pills or snorting lines. Taking rec drugs is actually less arduous. A lot of people will actually end up taking supplemental doses of test because they messed up their libido with opiates. Be careful, this is reality of bodybuilding so don't harbor any illusions about the nature of what you're doing. It's quite normal. And quite dangerous.
If you're willing to inject yourself with a needle, what's popping pills or snorting lines. Taking rec drugs is actually less arduous. A lot of people will actually end up taking supplemental doses of test because they messed up their libido with opiates. Be careful, this is reality of bodybuilding so don't harbor any illusions about the nature of what you're doing. It's quite normal. And quite dangerous.
NeighborMike
Bluelighter
Yeah ive been through a lot of that myself all very very true
I've been clean from drugs and alcohol for 3.5 years. Been on gear for a year and a half. Not worth possibly losing what I worked hard to get, both bodybuilding wise and life wise, for some drug. My life is great without getting high. Bodybuilding and narcotics needs to be divided. It sickens me that narcotics and hormones are being likened... Keep that shit out of here. This is for gear discussion, other substances can be discussed in their designated subforum.
NeighborMike
Bluelighter
good for you bro thats awesome
Been clean for 1 year and 2 months, in the best shape I have ever been and even though I have tons of difficult shit going on right now my life is the best it has ever been. Getting high wasn't fun for me for a long long time.
Everytime in the past I'd get clean and workout and then relapse and just stop almost immediately. When I use drugs, they become my only focus. Thankfully, I don't have to use anymore.
NeighborMike
Bluelighter
Well bodybuilding is a good sport for those with addiction as its a sport that if one wants to excel needs to have quite a bit of drive, passion, and at high levels obsession and compulsion which addicts definitely have. It's a healthy outlet for me
Nom de Plume
Bluelighter
Speaking of GHB, I've got a friend with narcolepsy that gets a prescription for sodium oxybate (γ-Hydroxybutryic acid, or GHB). He loves to share it with me about as much as I love to ask him to.
It ain't an easy 'script to acquire. But if you learn about narcolepsy and improve your acting ability, you shouldn't find it terribly troublesome getting it.
It ain't an easy 'script to acquire. But if you learn about narcolepsy and improve your acting ability, you shouldn't find it terribly troublesome getting it.
NeighborMike
Bluelighter
Thats the first time ive ever heard of anyone getting a script...if heard you could but thats it
NeighborMike
Bluelighter
right....anything is better then being a flunky
Nom de Plume
Bluelighter
Yeah, my friend gets the drug under the brand name Xyrem, and GHB (sodium oxybate) is apparently quite effective as a pharmacotherapy for narcoleptics, or so my friend opines.
As the U.S. National Library of Medicine states,
Sodium oxybate is used to prevent attacks of cataplexy (episodes of muscle weakness that begin suddenly and last for a short time) and excessive daytime sleepiness in patients who have narcolepsy (a sleep disorder that may cause extreme sleepiness, sudden uncontrollable urge to sleep during daily activities, and cataplexy). Sodium oxybate is in a class of medications called central nervous system depressants. The way that sodium oxybate works to treat narcolepsy is not known.
"Not known"? Dunno about you, but that excites the hell out of me. What makes GHB have such efficacy with cataplexy and narcolepsy, whilst other CNS depressants are all but useless? Even other GHBergics (at least the ones I'm familiar with and know about) are not useful for these purposes.
The question then is what does GHB do to the brain that differs so dramatically from drugs that affect the same receptors with the same mechanism? The mystery is maddening.
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NeighborMike
Bluelighter
Dunno i used to do G all the time mate only thing i ever ODd on in all my drug doin days...i tried to sip the last out of a litre without know how much was in it