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Anyone have experience with Promethazine (for sleeping)

snolly said:
Yeah, already get DSA for a lappy and dictaphone but could do with the rest except medication like you say. I do the odd EPH essay but in general medication is a bad idea for me. Mature student yeah? I got a feeling we about the same age. If I'd gone uni at 18 I'd have been fucked. More so =D
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I did go to uni at 19 as well, deferred due to health reasons (addiction) after the first semester of the second year. Spent six years or so in the catering industry and then decided to go back, I'm 26.

Had my Dyslexia/SpLD initial screening today and got my full assesment on thursday. Not sure what to expect really but it's scheduled for two and a half hours 8o
 
snolly said:
Yea, found that with Citalopram. It helped for a while, but CBT worked a hell of a lot more than I expected. I don't wanna be back on meds if I can avoid it as hilarious as that sounds in a drugs forum where I am currently doing drugs.

You know what I mean though? My Mum is 50 and still takes antidepressants every day. That kinda scares me.
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I'll be taking lithium for life, which was a funny enough one to come to terms with. Taking antidepressants for life would just be, um, 'depressing'.
 
snolly said:
Yea, found that with Citalopram. It helped for a while, but CBT worked a hell of a lot more than I expected. I don't wanna be back on meds if I can avoid it as hilarious as that sounds in a drugs forum where I am currently doing drugs.

You know what I mean though? My Mum is 50 and still takes antidepressants every day. That kinda scares me.
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Hmm yeah. From what I've gleaned from anxiety forums, medication should be used alongside CBT as it won't cure the problem itself in many cases.

What was the worst part of the Citalopram... I know they are meant to be pretty hairy for the first 2 weeks or so when using them.
 
Chatative said:
What was the worst part of the Citalopram...
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Same problem as with any and all antidepressants I've tried over the years - they take away all emotion not just the negative ones. I'd rather feel something even if it does hurt. The w/d are pure hell too. One of the first things I do with any new GP is make it abundantly clear from the start that antidepressants are not an option unless I'm unconscious from deliberate OD with two slashed wrists perhaps Even then no more than 6-`12m cos after that it's zombie time in my experience. YMMV naturally.
 
omen_owen mk2 said:
I did go to uni at 19 as well, deferred due to health reasons (addiction) after the first semester of the second year. Spent six years or so in the catering industry and then decided to go back, I'm 26.
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Yeah same age as me. You go uni for anything regarding catering or summat else entirely? I've studied fucking everything for at least five minutes, ack.

Sammy G said:
I'll be taking lithium for life, which was a funny enough one to come to terms with. Taking antidepressants for life would just be, um, 'depressing'.
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Yeah it is in a way. I felt a bit the same though probably a lot less worse than you did when I got told I'd probably have tinnitus for life and as far as afflictions go that's minor. Just a weird thing to hear (both parts).

Chatative said:
Hmm yeah. From what I've gleaned from anxiety forums, medication should be used alongside CBT as it won't cure the problem itself in many cases.

What was the worst part of the Citalopram... I know they are meant to be pretty hairy for the first 2 weeks or so when using them.
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Aye, I used Citalopram through six weeks or so of CBT twice a week and it did wonders. Did fuck all after I stopped CBT. Starting it can vary, first time I went dead sleepy for two weeks. Zombied. The most recent time wasn't as bad. It's accidentally running out and going cold turkey that blows the most. Jesus. Though Benzos make it look practically fun.

Also SSRIs make sex crap, ime
 
I have tinnitus too... very mild though, it's just sort of there. I can't even remember when it first appeared.

Are they used in the same doses for anxiety?

No-one seems to mention the emotional flatness with regards to using it for anxiety. I have most definitely heard that complaint of anti-depressants in general.
 
Citalopram? Depends what the doctor feels like. I started on 20, up to 40, came off it completely, then the new GP whacked me on 60mg and I thought fuck that. I don't really know what doses for anxiety are, I'd wager up to 40mg. 60 was definitely too much.

You do get emotional flatness; my Mum often complains of it. I don't get it so badly but some days it's just like :|
 
Bit of a change, that one. I was boring and did English Lit AKA a BA in Bullshitting.

Should probably split this thread. Effort. Anyone? Ten mins then I'll do it.
 
I was doing a BSc in Business Economics before but I deferred and got in to catering. Did it for six years then decided I wanted to go back to uni, only doing a BA this time though (at a much shitter uni too).
 
I started off studying History which was boring then I switched to Law which really was boring...

Actually I lie, History wasn't boring it was just too broad... I could have toughed it out until 3rd/4th year when you got to do honours courses with a much narrower focus but chose not to.
 
Chatative said:
Back on topic folks... how long before bed should I take my Promethazine... I can't find any obvious guidance?
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Obvious guidance was posted on the first page of this thread.

ld50 vs ssri said:
Promethazine (Phenergan) is great for aiding in sleep and winding down and as far as i know there are not many side effects and minimal interactions with most of your common medications and scheduled drugs, I use it regularly sometimes generally 2 x 25mg before bed and they take about 30 mins or so to take effect.

It is not advisable to take Promethazine if you have any known breathing problems. Whilst not a depressant they tend to synergise in unstable ways with some downers and benzo's

Hope this helped. :)
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And, the first hit on google for "promethazine onset" is this page:

http://www.drugs.com/ppa/promethazine-hydrochloride.html

20 min (oral); 20 min (IM); 5 min (IV).
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Might be a good idea, in the future, to ask your own doctor about these basics whenever he/she prescribes new medication to you.
 
The quality of care & treatment you get on the NHS with regards to mental health, whether at the GP level or with mental health professionals is very hit & miss in my experience.

I would agree that although we have progressed a long way with regards to general understanding & the medication used, it's still far from ideal. Medication can works wonders for some & make things worse for others, as was my case.
 
third eye squeegee said:
This is the thing Sammy.
I know you've had a bit of a turnaround in your attitude towards mental health professionals since they've (clearly) helped you to get back on an even keel, but I have serious reservations about psychiatry as adiscipline.

I've seen the harm misdiagnosis can produce, the blind conformance to DSM criteria that are decided by a bunch of guys in a room in America and, it seems to me, revised when they can invent another condition that pharma companies can medicalise..

IMO, psychiatry is in its infancy, and often does more harm than good..

Typing on phone as my computer's fucked, but I'd like to come back to this topic at a later date (if I recall, we did have a discussion of this nature a while ago too..)
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Any 'harm' that has been caused as a result of psychiatry in the last twenty or so years is absolutely minimal - laughably so, in fact - compared to the harm that arises through undiagnosed or untreated mental illness. Attitudes such as yours serve only to reinforce and perpetuate the stigma and distrust around the discipline, and this causes untold harm to individuals, their friends and families and society.

Misdiagnosis is always a possibility (and I've never denied this in any of my posts - quite the opposite in fact), but what you and many others fail to recognise is that a mental health diagnosis is not a life sentence. You don't get diagnosed and then forced into treatment; not unless you're a danger to yourself and others anyway, in which case police custody (or worse) is surely a far less desirable fate?

You are free to choose your treatment, you are free to question your diagnosis and seek the opinion of an alternative doctor, you are free to walk away if you so wish. There really isn't anything sinister going on, outside of a few Daily Mail articles about evil American psychiatrists 'inventing' mental health conditions in cahoots with big pharma. Maybe the American psychiatric establishment is indeed guilty of being in bed with big pharma (as all medical disciplines tend to be in the US of A) but to dismiss the entire field of psychiatry because of that is so much paranoid nonsense.

I expect you have little problem with people claiming to use drugs such as LSD in a 'therapeutic' context, do you?

This isn't the sixties. The antipsychiatry movement is a hopeless hippy anachronism.
 
Well, despite the fact Promethazine made me very tired I actually took longer to get to sleep. I think that has more to do with the fact I had been using some Pseudoephedrine for my sinus headache during the day & had not really followed proper sleep hygiene last night.

I still woke numerous times during the night but the promising part was that when I woke up at 05:30, I was able to drift in and out of sleep until I got up just before 07:00. I'm quite sure my quality of sleep was improved as well, I know it's a strange thing to say but I felt like I slept longer between awakenings despite them being the same duration.

Tonight I will be more strict with my sleep hygiene & will probably also have smoked a bowl or two early in the evening, so hopefully I'll sleep well again & my sleep pattern will be reset.

I've been given 14 tablets with instructions just to use them as needed a couple of times a week. I think I'm going to use them for the next 2 nights & then will leave it a bit.
 
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