Anyone getting cut off opioid scripts in the USA?

[rplate81]

I know of a place where everyone gets all the opioid painkillers that they want, they even get to choose what type even!! It's called Reddit /ChronicPain sub (I'm actually not laughing, I'm jealous)

I get Gabapentin and Lyrica thrown at me, as much of it as I want and I even started them, then I did some research. But that's all I have, I won't even ask for anything, too scared.

It would be nice to be able to have a rational script for something. I have been dealing with chronic pain forever and the last time that I had an ongoing script for opioids was from 2008-2013 & then I was cut off. I don't ask or bring up the subject, but I don't know any friends or family irl that have anything & I know that some of them have serious chronic pain.

I have resorted to Kratom, now 7oh and I now have no money. Pretty awesome how it came full circle to really fuck me over in the end.

 

[maryanne77]

Unfortunately even if you have a script there are so many drug shortages its a terrifying time to be alive for anyone on chronic pain these days. Or even having surgeries, they no longer give you enough meds . Even when my mom was dying screaming in pain in the hospital they let her suffer until we brought Hospic in.

 

[garygroundwork]

Australia is the same. Impossible to get. They even have signs at doctor counters we will not prescribe pain killers etc

The laws are so strict doctor's are too scared to even prescribe them.

It's gone way too far the other way.

I feel for those with chronic pain and cancer etc

 

[Them Witches]

Unfortunately even if you have a script there are so many drug shortages its a terrifying time to be alive for anyone on chronic pain these days. Or even having surgeries, they no longer give you enough meds . Even when my mom was dying screaming in pain in the hospital they let her suffer until we brought Hospic in.

Many governments have infected the pharmacies instead of the doctor's practice. They limit the pharmacy's narcotic monthly ordering based on the pharmacies monthly capital. The pharmacy can only order a certain amount and this leaves the pharmacy in the position to pick and choose their customers. Doctor's can write the Rx but the patient may spend weeks even months trying to find a pharmacy willing to take on their business.

After the pharmacy they lean on the doctor requesting if the patient has been tapered successfully and calling regularly to suggest tapering. If that does not work, they request removing IR medications for only extended release versions that cost more and require smaller quantities.

The doctor is forced to carefully pick and choose who they will "represent" and stand up for. If the doctor has not jumped through all the hoops of sending the patient to pain management that failed for some reason, tapering did not work, must try interventional pain management, and/or removed the patient from their meds and it did not work out -- well they keep leaning on the doctor to follow their suggestions. Many doctors become scared and many do not want to risk their livelihood on building a "patient doctor relationship" which is the whole foundation for proper healthcare.

Not trying to put down addicts, but it seems they are the most vocal about the harms of narcotics to hospitals, the doctor's fault, MAT, drug courts, and how bad the drugs did them. Drugs they were not even prescribed. In fact the more than 95% have never had a doctor write them a legal Rx for narcotics, yet their community is being the cause or justification for removing "actual pain patients" of their medications. Pain medicine Rx's are at their lowest since 1992, yet there is a crisis valid for destroying a community's only way to achieve a quality of life. Their basic god-given rights being taken from them. Their is a 900% increase in chronic pain syndrome and cancer patient suicide due to this.

Narcotics do not effect "euphoria wise" someone in actual REAL pain compared to someone who is not in REAL pain. This crusade is a push to drive pain patients onto Suboxone which does not work for daily chronic pain syndrome. Regardless, the law states that "it is the doctor & the patients" decision as to when a taper should begin, end, or take place. The law states a long-term opioid patients cannot be forcefully removed from their medications nor forced into a rapid taper. The law states it is illegal for a doctor to abandon their patient who they write narcotics for

 

[Them Witches]

The new crusade of medical schooling is we do not need opioids for chronic pain that is not cancer related. As if they have developed any new pain drugs that actually work better than opioids for long-term pain. Lyrica or Gabapentin do not cut the mustard nor can they lick the jar a little for pain. Pain destroys the mind and overly taxed citizens are expected to work til they die in pain or are expected to turn to the streets for pain relief. MAT is a great racket and off 400,000 Methadone patients alone, MAT grosses $3.2 million per day. This is not including Suboxone figures and there are more than 400,000 US citizens on Methadone now.

A doctor is expected to take and honor a vow to help their patient. Up until recently, the doctor and patient relationship was confidential. Addicts abusing drugs not prescribed to them, abusing heroin or fentanyl has nothing to do with pain patients having a quality of life owed to them. Patients in pain management could care less about diverting their monthly pain medications. If they did sell their medications that cannot ingest "cash" to stop withdrawals. Pain patients are on contracts, take drug tests, and have pill counts.

Treating pain is not a "one size fits all" thing. Taking partial agonists for chronic pain syndrome is a joke man. Everyone knows, I mean everyone knows a patient on a stable dose of pain medications do not feel euphoria yet that keeps coming up in the reasoning. Yet, MAT is advertised to not create euphoria. Makes no sense to me.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Doctors were meant to be detectives for the health of our bodies. They were not ever meant to be glorified gate-keepers for ¨the good shit¨. It just shows how far the art and science and medicine have fallen; how low the standards have become for what qualifies as treatment.

There are good doctors out there. However, I am of the opinion that there are more doctors than not that are more or less employees of the Pharmaceutical industry. Their entire practices have been reduced to finding out what pill is required.

Doctors worked hand-in-hand every step of the way with corrupt individuals to get North America addicted to Opioids. The rationale was that a doctor, supposedly the smartest guy in the room, is going to actually believe:

Oxycodone: Known as highly euphoric and addictive for over a century
Oxycontin: Not addictive

They wrote the scripts, took the vacations and the majority of these doctors were able to skate away with the Sackler´s taking the majority of the outcry. They got lucky.

Then what do they do? In a further act of cowardice they decide to actually underprescribe to people who they know full well could use them, as there is less liability. If anyone makes noise? They are addicts, of course they´re gonna bitch and moan because that´s what they do. There is absolutely zero accountability for these fucks.

I advise people to educate themselves. If they find a good doctor, keep them, because I´ve seen too many shitty ones. If any of you are familiar with my story with my grandma (lifetime teetotaler, put on Opioids, Benzos, Z-Drugs after grandpa died. Ran out of Lorazepam two months in a row, about 3 days each time; doctor immediately pulled her off everything over a period of 3 days. She had been taking these drugs for almost a decade every day and had never experienced drug withdrawal in her life).

Maybe he cared. It doesnt matter how much you care about anything if you care about yourself just a little bit more every single time. No sympathy.

Yes, this is happening more and more every day. I am sure wealthier individuals have ways of securing the supplies they need, but the rank and file American citizen is going to find it harder and harder to get this shit.

The maximum prescribable dose of Methadone for pain per day is 30mg. I know at least a dozen junkies who are scripted 300mg Methadone per day. The world keeps spinning around the sun just like it always has.

 

[marcoman]

Doctors were meant to be detectives for the health of our bodies. They were not ever meant to be glorified gate-keepers for ¨the good shit¨. It just shows how far the art and science and medicine have fallen; how low the standards have become for what qualifies as treatment.

There are good doctors out there. However, I am of the opinion that there are more doctors than not that are more or less employees of the Pharmaceutical industry. Their entire practices have been reduced to finding out what pill is required.

Doctors worked hand-in-hand every step of the way with corrupt individuals to get North America addicted to Opioids. The rationale was that a doctor, supposedly the smartest guy in the room, is going to actually believe:

Oxycodone: Known as highly euphoric and addictive for over a century
Oxycontin: Not addictive

They wrote the scripts, took the vacations and the majority of these doctors were able to skate away with the Sackler´s taking the majority of the outcry. They got lucky.

Then what do they do? In a further act of cowardice they decide to actually underprescribe to people who they know full well could use them, as there is less liability. If anyone makes noise? They are addicts, of course they´re gonna bitch and moan because that´s what they do. There is absolutely zero accountability for these fucks.

I advise people to educate themselves. If they find a good doctor, keep them, because I´ve seen too many shitty ones. If any of you are familiar with my story with my grandma (lifetime teetotaler, put on Opioids, Benzos, Z-Drugs after grandpa died. Ran out of Lorazepam two months in a row, about 3 days each time; doctor immediately pulled her off everything over a period of 3 days. She had been taking these drugs for almost a decade every day and had never experienced drug withdrawal in her life).

Maybe he cared. It doesnt matter how much you care about anything if you care about yourself just a little bit more every single time. No sympathy.

Yes, this is happening more and more every day. I am sure wealthier individuals have ways of securing the supplies they need, but the rank and file American citizen is going to find it harder and harder to get this shit.

The maximum prescribable dose of Methadone for pain per day is 30mg. I know at least a dozen junkies who are scripted 300mg Methadone per day. The world keeps spinning around the sun just like it always has.

So I worry there will come a time my PCP will be forced or choose to cut me off of my current 10 mg of oxys 3xa day and .5 of k pims 3xa day. I have no clue what I will do. When my last PCP cut me off it ook 6 months to find this new new v current doc. I doctor shopped and did everything to find a new doc, finallt forund a guy through Facebook who gave me the name of his doc who was cool with scriting what I once took. In the 6 n.months of searching out I went through withdrawals, my real pains returned and on occasions I would fnd someone wo would sell me of whatever they had...any painkillers or benzos and I scooped them up. Also paid top dollar for them.

So if I lose my current scripts, methodone is an option? I'm almost 68 and have no idea of how methadone feels or how it works. Could you gibe me a brief explanation of the pros and cons of it? As it may be the ony leeagl way to go. Suboxone I will not touch. EVER. And the Asian/India market is just way too risky for this old man.

 

[R0Y]

About six years ago this was happening a lot in the DC area and Maryland Virginia. After six or seven years with my spine doctor they stopped everything. This was before the fetynal problem. It was the oxygen problem making the news then. I wish I could find a doctor but it became impossible for me. I have friends in the same situation.

I hope things work out good for you.

My first pain doctor was in Virginia and he became the poster boy for the dea. I called him one day and he said a helicopter full of fbi commandos had landed in his office parking lot. Everyone was face down, including the patients. He was an idealist and thought that even addicts could experience pain and that they shouldn’t. So he prescribed to anyone and he let the patients decide what they needed. He was great with the people like me who really needed it, I could and did call him around the clock. Best, most compassionate doctor I’ve had but also had way too many blind spots. This was in the early 2000s. He’s out of federal prison and there’s a documentary about him on either Netflix or prime: Dr Feelgood. I think that man saved my life, I would have killed myself had I not found him.

 

[marcoman]

I know of a place where everyone gets all the opioid painkillers that they want, they even get to choose what type even!! It's called Reddit /ChronicPain sub (I'm actually not laughing, I'm jealous)

I get Gabapentin and Lyrica thrown at me, as much of it as I want and I even started them, then I did some research. But that's all I have, I won't even ask for anything, too scared.

It would be nice to be able to have a rational script for something. I have been dealing with chronic pain forever and the last time that I had an ongoing script for opioids was from 2008-2013 & then I was cut off. I don't ask or bring up the subject, but I don't know any friends or family irl that have anything & I know that some of them have serious chronic pain.

I have resorted to Kratom, now 7oh and I now have no money. Pretty awesome how it came full circle to really fuck me over in the end.

what is this Reddit/Chronic Pain sub thing you mantioned or is it just a joke?MY apologies for my ignorance. Gabpentin is garbage to me. Makes me sick, dizzy as fuck at super low doses and does nothing good for me. Lyrica I have heard of but also seems nothing like the oxy and k pins I currently have been taking for years. I thik it's just a matter of time before my new doc will have to stop my oxy/k pin script - so am trying to figure out what I'm going to do once that happens. Yeah, for now I'm pretty damm lucky but the well is gonna run dry and then what? I serioulsy though of growing P. Sonifererom (sp?) but it's super hard to even germinate the seeds, I live In the CO Rockies with short summers at 9000 feet and its pretty much imposssible. Plus from what I've read the yields are shitty. Buying pods or seeds online is anther shady op and risky AF too. Yu sure can't call the cops on a webpage that took your 700 bucks for some pods and never sent you shit. You'd need an underground op who you knew was valid but agin with todays tecnology, everything is so trackable these days, Orwellian on steroids. It's time the commoners stand up ( I have to be careful how I word that and I can't even go in to further details) but I see no other mthr' fkn' options. I'm up there in age, pretty cripple up and there should be an option (of my choice) plus at my age to choose my fate for pallative care. I have a quality of life that's tolerable right now. Without my scripts I'm useless and have no life, nor a will to live. Dying of a broken heart is a real thing. And dying because a person just "gives up" is real too. Pain will kill a person, thats a fact, phyically and mentally. But there's no fkn' way I'll suffer, I've already decided on that years ago.

 

[rplate81]

what is this Reddit/Chronic Pain sub thing you mantioned or is it just a joke?MY apologies for my ignorance. Gabpentin is garbage to me. Makes me sick, dizzy as fuck at super low doses and does nothing good for me. Lyrica I have heard of but also seems nothing like the oxy and k pins I currently have been taking for years. I thik it's just a matter of time before my new doc will have to stop my oxy/k pin script - so am trying to figure out what I'm going to do once that happens. Yeah, for now I'm pretty damm lucky but the well is gonna run dry and then what? I serioulsy though of growing P. Sonifererom (sp?) but it's super hard to even germinate the seeds, I live In the CO Rockies with short summers at 9000 feet and its pretty much imposssible. Plus from what I've read the yields are shitty. Buying pods or seeds online is anther shady op and risky AF too. Yu sure can't call the cops on a webpage that took your 700 bucks for some pods and never sent you shit. You'd need an underground op who you knew was valid but agin with todays tecnology, everything is so trackable these days, Orwellian on steroids. It's time the commoners stand up ( I have to be careful how I word that and I can't even go in to further details) but I see no other mthr' fkn' options. I'm up there in age, pretty cripple up and there should be an option (of my choice) plus at my age to choose my fate for pallative care. I have a quality of life that's tolerable right now. Without my scripts I'm useless and have no life, nor a will to live. Dying of a broken heart is a real thing. And dying because a person just "gives up" is real too. Pain will kill a person, thats a fact, phyically and mentally. But there's no fkn' way I'll suffer, I've already decided on that years ago

The Reddit Chronic Pain and Pain Managment subs are a joke to me, but unfortunately for reals for everyone that posts there. Those subs are just a pity party where everyone complains about wanting more meds when they are already getting over 100mme .

I have tried growing poppies with no luck. I also hear that stuff is dangerous if one was to make tea out of it, something about how it's hard to know how much opium is in it.

What are you being treated for, like how are you getting your Oxy script??

 

[Them Witches]

Most patients on Oxycodone currently have exhausted all other options for pain treatment. They have a stack of medical records documenting everything. They have also participated in "step therapy" starting out at the weakest opioid moving up to the Oxycodone. They have also proved that taking a CR/ER does not work for them and need dosing every 4hrs to keep their blood plasma levels at the correct level.

 

[rplate81]

Most patients on Oxycodone currently have exhausted all other options for pain treatment. They have a stack of medical records documenting everything. They have also participated in "step therapy" starting out at the weakest opioid moving up to the Oxycodone. They have also proved that taking a CR/ER does not work for them and need dosing every 4hrs to keep their blood plasma levels at the correct level.

Doesn't seem to work for me. Having tons of imaging (xrays, MRIs, CTs, Ultrasounds) I've been in physical therapy since 2023, injections that I had to pay $1500 for but didn't do anything, acupunture, chiropractor, NSAIDS at max dosage that make me very worried. I think that I have tried everything actually now that I am typing this. Like I said before, they love giving me Gabapentin and Lyrica. I also find it kinda ironic that I am on Dextroamphetamine for ADHD which is a C2, but I cannot even get a schedule IV painkiller. Sorry for the rant and complaining, I know that there are a ton of others going through what I am going through. I'm just getting scared, I am still fairly young and I am in pain every day. I have been athletic my whole life, so this is crushing to me, I would way rather live pain free and stay active as possible than be able to get any painkiller script.

 

[marcoman]

The Reddit Chronic Pain and Pain Managment subs are a joke to me, but unfortunately for reals for everyone that posts there. Those subs are just a pity party where everyone complains about wanting more meds when they are already getting over 100mme .

I have tried growing poppies with no luck. I also hear that stuff is dangerous if one was to make tea out of it, something about how it's hard to know how much opium is in it.

What are you being treated for, like how are you getting your Oxy script??

After being cut off my my last bitch doc it took me 6 months to find a NaP-c who saved me and had no issues scripting me my oxy and k pins back. I get my oxy for chronic pain which is a gamut of issues. Retired hockey player (started playing at 5 yrs old, made it to minors, couldnt get to pros) and was still playing until I was 65, 2 years ago in a Mens League. So over the years multiple injuries with some very serious ones in there. Broken femur, dislocated shoulder which pulled my bicep tendon and bicep muscle right off the bone and the muscle rolled up into my elbow. Pretty much every bone was fractured, multiple ribs, nose, etc. basically typical hockey injuries but as I aged they worsened. The broken femur was probably the nastiest and made me decide to quit playing hockey. I also have lower back issues, lumbar bones are so arthritic they are fused together. That is probably a big one too as it disrupts my sleep and makes me severely gimpy. I use a cane on bad days. My new doc scripts me clonazapam with the oxy as it helps with the pain plus I'm on the hyper side and the k pins slows my brain down to a calm mode. Without those 2, life would not be worth living as I have zero quality of life without them. I have Celiacs too, that gluten allergy crap and I have Polycystic Kidney Disease as well. That causes a lot of kidney stones and growths/cysts which add to my back pain. The PKD will probably be the one that kills me as it will eventually shut down my kidneys. I will not suffer, that's my personal commitment. Colorado has assisted sewer side, so I can take that route when the time comes. Here's a cool kicker. My new doc, she's maybe 40? She rocks dreads and wears tie dyed lab coats! Lol. She's awesome. But I am on a few medical forums and this opioid attack and cutting people off is happening in all the US states. Some states more than others but sooner or later there'll be no more docs scripting it at all. The DEA is running the show now, coming after docs and shutting them down. People are already hitting the black market and what's there and available? Fentenyl. Peeps are desperate and overdoses are going up. And here in the USA getting anything overseas is hard and super risky. So this attack on opioids to reduce overdoses is instead increasing them. Fkn nuts it is. When my new doc has to cut me off I don't know what I'll do. Because eventually the DEA will scare all docs and take their licenses away if they continue to script opioids ...even if they are not being abused or over- scripted.

 

[rplate81]

After being cut off my my last bitch doc it took me 6 months to find a NaP-c who saved me and had no issues scripting me my oxy and k pins back. I get my oxy for chronic pain which is a gamut of issues. Retired hockey player (started playing at 5 yrs old, made it to minors, couldnt get to pros) and was still playing until I was 65, 2 years ago in a Mens League. So over the years multiple injuries with some very serious ones in there. Broken femur, dislocated shoulder which pulled my bicep tendon and bicep muscle right off the bone and the muscle rolled up into my elbow. Pretty much every bone was fractured, multiple ribs, nose, etc. basically typical hockey injuries but as I aged they worsened. The broken femur was probably the nastiest and made me decide to quit playing hockey. I also have lower back issues, lumbar bones are so arthritic they are fused together. That is probably a big one too as it disrupts my sleep and makes me severely gimpy. I use a cane on bad days. My new doc scripts me clonazapam with the oxy as it helps with the pain plus I'm on the hyper side and the k pins slows my brain down to a calm mode. Without those 2, life would not be worth living as I have zero quality of life without them. I have Celiacs too, that gluten allergy crap and I have Polycystic Kidney Disease as well. That causes a lot of kidney stones and growths/cysts which add to my back pain. The PKD will probably be the one that kills me as it will eventually shut down my kidneys. I will not suffer, that's my personal commitment. Colorado has assisted sewer side, so I can take that route when the time comes. Here's a cool kicker. My new doc, she's maybe 40? She rocks dreads and wears tie dyed lab coats! Lol. She's awesome. But I am on a few medical forums and this opioid attack and cutting people off is happening in all the US states. Some states more than others but sooner or later there'll be no more docs scripting it at all. The DEA is running the show now, coming after docs and shutting them down. People are already hitting the black market and what's there and available? Fentenyl. Peeps are desperate and overdoses are going up. And here in the USA getting anything overseas is hard and super risky. So this attack on opioids to reduce overdoses is instead increasing them. Fkn nuts it is. When my new doc has to cut me off I don't know what I'll do. Because eventually the DEA will scare all docs and take their licenses away if they continue to script opioids ...even if they are not being abused or over- scripted.

I hate to admit it, but I have had some fake perc 30s that I tested and had fent in them, I still tried smoking some though. No excuse, but a friend of mine had some and offered them to me, I don't think I'd ever go out and try to buy any. I am on 2mg Buprenorphine, so that made me less scared to take small little rips of a pill off of foil since the bupe should help with any chances of an OD. Plus smoking to me helps me regulate my dosage way more than swallowing a whole pill or snorting it. Tbh, I felt nothing much every time I'd try smoking them. But at the same time, I would smoke maybe one pill a day taking a few small rips at a time spaced out I figure that plus the bupe was making it pretty much ineffective. I had a ton of pills too, but I disposed of them a while back.

I find it interesting that since our medical system is a business, they work with pharma companies to make money from patients, you'd think that the DEA would want to push more opioids instead of taking them away. I stopped using 7oh, and this was just from a smoke shop owner, but he told me 7oh is done by December 31st and that pharms are going to be pushed more again by doctors. I kind of argued back with him, but for what it's worth, he did sound like he had some knowledge on the issue. I'm not holding out for that though.

My doctor, same doctor who has been prescribing me 2mg bupe for OUD the last 5 years just prescribed me Butrans patch for pain. I find that contradictory, but I have no other hopes.

 

[rplate81]

Also, props to you for playing hockey until 65!! I bet some of that oxy and Klonopin is helping you with your confidence and physical pain as well. I remember when had 40 mg of Norco as an ongoing script back in 2010 when I wasn't even in pain but it would help me a ton with my motivation and confidence.

I turned 44 over the summer, always been athletic since around 8 years old skateboarding, but jumping down stuff doing tricks, which have resulted in a ton of injuries and surgeries with a ton of acute pain but I really hadn't been in Daily chronic pain until about 2 years ago so I am happy to have at least made it that far.

With all the money in the last couple years I've spent on chiropractors, massage, acupuncture, injections, ice packs, physical therapy, gadgets and exercise equipment, Etc., I find it crazy that a simple prescription that would be covered by my insurance for a rational amount of opioid painkillers would have done me better than all of that. In a financial way, a mental and emotional way very much so, and would probably have helped me feel better physically than any of that stuff.

 

[janec]

Ugh I'm so sorry. I also have crohns-colitis and have had about 10 surgeries in the past few years to try and deal with it. It's awful.

 

[marcoman]

After my old doc cut me off I posted a short summary of my problems on local area FB Groups and asked if anyone had a doc who was OK scripting oxys and benzos. To keep t private I had them message me and I got 3 or 4 people whit legit names of docs. I picked one out ( a woman, as I have found they oten ae more sympathetic to patients) made an appt and she spent an hour on the first visit and wrote my scripts with no probs. In fact she even upped my oxys from 5mg to 10s. I'm almost 68. A few years back I typed up a one page piece of paper that neatly sums up my medcal history. Its lists all injuries, dates, surgeries, med info, my years of playing ice hockey, allergies, hobbies, etc. It probably takes the avergage person 3-5 mnutes to read and it's all neatly in chronilogical order as well. This way they know everything about me. I printed off several copies and whenever I see any doc or need to got to ER, etc, I give them a copy. I keep one in my wallet. But yeah, something simple as a FB post got me a bunch of referrals. Already knowing that a doc is OK scripting what you need is a huge plus. Before that I was just doctor shopping with hopes if finding someone who scripted not just an oxy but a benzo along with it. And through the doctoring shopping I got tagged by a few asshole docs and labeled doctor shopping and OUD (opiod Use Disorder) Thats on my medical files for life now...fkrs. But I could give a fck now, I'm getting what I need despite these ahole docturds.' Anyway desperate like I was shuld trya socialmedia post, just becareful how you word things. Say as little as possible and ask people who have doctor names to post them to your private message box thing. The guy who gave me his docs name - we've now become friends.

 

[marcoman]

My god, I fear eventually we will need to move her into a permanent hospice situation which at least might give her access to pain pills, because atm her only quality of life comes from the hours of relief she gets after taking 7oh.

When this ban happens and we have no other recourse, im gonna have to turn to the dark web to find pain pills. Never thought id say that...

I know, sooner or later they will stop all of us from getting the pharma scripts that have done us well. It's just a matter of time. The streets are loaded with Fentanyl and easy to get but it's a total roll of the dice buying off the street like that. And here in the USA buying from India or the Asian markets is pretty much impossible and even that stuff you have to test - as you don't know whats legit or not. I sure hope some dedicated dcotors band together to stop this nonsense. It'd be them and us patients against the FDA. I think we'd need some type of big Class Action Lawsuit to change things around. And if theres big money involved for lawyers, I'm sure they'll form a team and get the DEA's out of the doctors offices and let doctors doctor. That's my hope anyway. I just can't see people suffereing terribly for very much longer before doctors and lawyers set up a team to shit down the DEA and their henchmen.

I follow a gal forming such a movement. her name is Claudia Merandi and shes on the socialmedia sites. I follow her on Facebook as thats the only socialmedia platform I follow (boomer guy here) and socialmedia really ainlt my thing at all. I don't think she's an actual doctor bu she knows her shit and she's one of those toughass New York City gals. She's really fighting for everyone and does a lot to stir the pot including getting inot the political side of it. She even is naming names of these "non-opiod doctors" left and right. IMO, she's risking her life. She knows it too - but she don't care. Claudia Merandi, good tough lady. BTW, I have no afiliation with her other than stumbling onto her videos on FB and now I'm a big supporter of her.

 

[abefourth]

My first pain doctor was in Virginia and he became the poster boy for the dea. I called him one day and he said a helicopter full of fbi commandos had landed in his office parking lot. Everyone was face down, including the patients. He was an idealist and thought that even addicts could experience pain and that they shouldn’t. So he prescribed to anyone and he let the patients decide what they needed. He was great with the people like me who really needed it, I could and did call him around the clock. Best, most compassionate doctor I’ve had but also had way too many blind spots. This was in the early 2000s. He’s out of federal prison and there’s a documentary about him on either Netflix or prime: Dr Feelgood. I think that man saved my life, I would have killed myself had I not found him.

 

[Generation *DMT*]

Have you ever tried special k?