Bupe anyone get on suboxone without opiates in your system?

[crestfallen]

Yeah. I was abusing vicodin up to 100mgs a day (stupid i know) and I stopped a few days before I went to rehab(I just got tired of the lifestyle and pain I was causing my family). I knew that I needed the sub to stay clean and keep cravings away so I acted like I was withdrawing. I took my dose each day and didn't get sick or anything. I'm currently tapering off 16mgs a day.

I say have 1 last go with your fav opiate (don't OD lol) and then check into an inpatient or outpatient rehab that uses suboxone. Act like your withdrawing and they will give you the sub.

 

[limonov]

If you really need to 'fail' an opiate test it can be done without resorting to using (which, as you said, is a step back) as most opiate tests don't test for the opiates, they test for various opiate metabolites/alkaloids often found in heroin (papervine, for instance, is tested for with the heroin replacement therapy tests to see if you've been taking street heroin).

Surely you could eat a shitload of poppyseeds (like 100g or something), not get high at all, not precipitate withdrawals and still 'fail' the opiate test because you will have enough thebaine and metabolised thebaine floating round in your system- bare in mind oxycodone is a thebaine derivative so may well be involved in the tests. Thebaine also continues to be present on 'washed' seeds (that are useless for poppy seed tea) as it isn't particularly water soluble, unlike morphine & codeine, so you won't need to find special seeds- just eat enough of them and you're sure to fail without touching a proper opiate.

Besides- doesn't Joe badluck test positive for opiates every now and then due to eating, say half a poppy-seed cake (there's this particularly delicious polish version that has about 1kg in a cake) the day before they get randomly drug tested at work? I'm fairly sure if you eat enough you will 'fail' the test, they won't be completely devoid of alkaloids. Chowing down on a bowl of poppyseed doesn't sound that appetising, so you should probably make a cake or bread or something, but it could be a way (despite kinda retarded and weird) way to fail a stupid test and get on subs proper.

 

[ANewKindOfArmy]

Hey a good suboxone DR will help you. I was taking suboxone for over a year taking only suboxone off the street as well. I was at 4mgs a day, then when i got to 12mgs a day i figured it would be cheaper and more effective for my own good and recovery to see a DR and therapist and stop doing it my own way, as in the past my own way kept me relapsing. Especially because i was having to cop my subs right there by many dope blocks and shit it's always comforting to know you get it from a pharmacy you don't have to worry about getting beat or not having them and ending up in that situation where you're sub sick and ending up doing your drug of choice to feel better.
So, i was actually very affraid of the same thing i didn't want to have to go out and blast a couple bags for them to take me in after being 100% dedicated to staying clean. I actually started compromising with myself saying it's for the better8(, or i could just take a couple percocets or something of the sort. So after relising i was just trying to justify taking drugs one more time, i decided to ask around and i found out as long as you have buprenorphine in your system when they piss you, they will take you. Just be 100% honest with them WITH EVERYTHING. I can't stress that enough, i was affraid if i said certain things it would fuck me over, but remember they deal with addicts on a daily basis. If you really want the help and to stay right they know. Try your best listen to them and be honest all the way. Sometimes they will over dose you with subs though. They started me off with 3 8mg subs a day and that's the only thing i did against the dr's will was to take the 12mgs i was already taking and the next visit we talked about it and we worked it out.

Another thing that will help you alot is having a addiction therapist, whether you have mental issues or not. They are very benificial in the treatment of opiod dependence. Alot sub dr's will have a therapist on staff. I'm not trying to be your dad or anything but seriously, this has done wonders for me. I never thought i would be able to do this and so far i have been clean and for the most part very happy. Even the bad days are much better than where i was. From what it sounds like, Maintenance sounds like a good option for you.

One more thing, don't be suprised if they will only offer you the suboxone strips. I don't mind them as they dissolve quicker and don't taste as bad at all. Depending on the dr they really don't like scripting the suboxone tabs anymore or subutex. I guess if you really want the pills thats bad you'd have to try and work it out with them.

Be safe and good luck with your recovery,
B

 

[ANewKindOfArmy]

Another thing i forgot, Also if you're being honest with them, make sure you make it clear that you HAVE an opiod problem. That you got clean and want to take suboxone as a maitenance drug. I saw someone say if you say you buy it off the street and want it legally, i see what they were saying. It might sound as if you are just looking for your drug of choice legally. But like i said just be 100% honest especially if you're doing this to continue your recovery. Im not sure how it is in MA but here in Philly suboxone is very commonly RX'd. They know addicts don't have much money no matter where you are in the world. So saying that you bought it off the street because it was cheaper is seriously true, but the negatives eventually out-weigh the positives. Good luck.

B