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Anyone ever here of dope called scramble?

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You can make me look like the biggest ass in the history of BlueLight by doing one simple thing...Provide an objective source for your claim of "heroin cut with PCP." I take the subject of substance abuse deadly serious, not just for personal reasons but because people take what they find here at face value...as such accuracy is deadly important...Awaiting your "proof,"...Rachamim...
 
Does every thread on bl now a days turn to fucking shit-throwing, knwoledge contests? We are no better then the politicians...
 
I dont want to get started on this P-dope thing but i will:

Yes, in MOST cases P-dope is slang for dope that is high in purity.

BUT, whether or not it was not misused, it HAS been applied to a PCP-Heroin combo that ive have used personally numerous times (ive seen it in dust/brown dope, as well as oil/tar heroin, and used it in both forms intravenously). Most of the people i bought this combo from referred to it as either "P-dope", "Peace dope" and "Puffy Tar", or "dusted dope", and even strange names like "space tar".

It has also been used to describe synthetic heroin, even if again the word was misapplied, as P-dope mainly refers to potent heroin. But often times, some of the REALLY potent heroin, is actually some synthetic, like a piperidine such as alpha-methylfentanyl, so p-dope may easily refer to some synthetics, as they tend to be quite potent. Usually only regular heroin users can tell the difference from heroin and some piperidine analogue, mainly because the piperidine rush is so strong (though the duration is far shorter), they may very well think its just some potent heroin. I did however make the inference that the "P" could possibly refer to piperidine, but on second thought, i dont think most common drug users are familiar with the term piperidine (i may be wrong), but so again, i was just speculating. It is definitely very plausible that very potent "dope" may be a piperdine synthetic, and thus be called "p-dope", since synthetic dope is in fact potent stuff, even if its not diacetylmorphine or 6-MAM.

Again, we are dealing with SLANG here, so you cant really misapply it, but then i suppose technically you can. So the definition I agree with most is that p-dope is simply "potent heroin", and this is the most common use for it.

But I do KNOW that it can/has been used to described dusted dope (pcp+heroin), and synthetic "heroin" (aka some piperidine analogue, usually AMF).

And even though i am a moderator, i am really just like you guys in most cases (i am not like "ronald", epharmacy and those pricks), in that i am not infallible and i do make mistakes, so just because i say something doesn't mean its necessarily true, but i do not intentionally lie, and all my first hand experience is true. But i do make speculations, and i dont mind being proven wrong. Again, i am just one of you guys for the most part, i just have a moderator title and the ability to close/warn etc. But i try to answer questions to the best of my ability, and as a moderator, you can be sure that i would not intentionally lie or misrepresent information. I do my best with what i have to work with here...
 
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Or as the dictionary says, P-funk would fit the description ;p

unless 20-30% pure is high quality.


I think eventually in every area people start to fuck up slang until its wrong..or just has a new meaning.

its like....shwag is gonna be the name for highest quality weed in australia someday.
there crazy like that ;p
 
Egos and B.L.

Rivered and all other interested parties: It is not a case of "dick sizing" but rather a case of offering accurate info. In the case drugs, accuracy can be the difference between life and death. Sadly, many inexperienced people look no further than a single thread to educate themselves about proper usage and any possible consequences that they might face. Admittedly, a slang designation might seem like a very minor or trivial affair that would not be worth arguing over...let me give you a little example.

Let us say that you know nothing at all about drugs or hard drugs...Your friend tells you that he is getting some "P-Dope." Many people mistakenly refer to fentanyl analogs as "P-dope." If you then post here asking for advice on adulterating "P-Dope" and are in turn given directions to adulterate heroin, and end up really obtaining a fentanyl analog...Get the picture?

Negro: First of all you expect me to believe that people regularly sell heroin adulterated with PCP? Why would anyone adulterate a powerful [or any] opiate with a disassociative? Why would a single case of this ever happening never turn up in any journal,data bank, or documented news story? Anyone can adulterate anything with anything but for a slang term to enter the lexicon it implies common usage...and you do not maintain that this is common usage,do you?

I suppose that this issue needs a thorough going over [as opposed to the anal retentive hair splitting that it has engendered already]...

This is the history of both "Scramble" and "P-Dope" a.k.a. "P-Funk.":

In the early 60s an East Harlem junkie by the name of Nicky Barnes went to prison for selling dollar capsules of adulterated heroin on the streets of
Harlem. While there he met an Italian American from his neighborhood. At that time [and up until the early 80s] Pleasant Avenue was famous for the importation and distribution of Corsican heroin [Palermo and Marseilles by way of Syria, Lebanon, and Turkey]. This heroin was the finest illicit heroin ever produced, substantially exceeding even S.E. Asian #4 in terms of purity and uniform quality. Italians had never cared for dealing with blacks, they always conducted business through at least one middle man who ALWAYS adulterated the product before distributing it. The man Barnes met [I will not divulge his name as he is on the streets and living near me] decided to take a chance and struck up a handshake deal with him...

Barnes appealed his conviction and won a reversal. He returned to Harlem with a firm plan and a whole lot of ambition. He no longer used drugs and put all his energy into building his business. He soon had several spots. At the time heroin was only sold in 1 dollar, 2 or 3 dollar, and 5 dollar quantities on the street. Barnes changed the game by first offering dimes [10 dollar bags] and then up to 40 dollar bags. The famous "Quarter Bags" and "Half Quarter Bags" of Harlem were his invention. Additionally, his spots sold two levels of quality: A heavily adulterated bag of about 7% purity known as a "SCRAMBLE BAG" and a much purer 30% bag known as "P-DOPE" and later yet as "P-FUNK."

Barnes ended up with life without parole and became a snitch but the whole "Scramble" and "P-Dope" thing took root. Of course in those days 30% was dynamite but purities eventually rose considerably [as almost all of us know]. Yet "P-Dope" has continued to denote purer heroin while "Scramble" has come to mean any heavily adulterated heroin...

Do not take my humble word for it, just ask any NYC junkie over 35 about the words and you will get an identical definition...
 
Cool.
We're not disagreeing with you. "P-Dope" usually means heroin of higher quality. But as you can see, as slang mutates, SOME people seem to have taken to calling heroin cut with PCP "P-Dope", also. I don't know why. I don't care why.
I just think it's odd that since this is something you obviously have never heard of, or seen in practice, that you so adamantly refuse to believe that it exists. That's all.
I mean, people everywhere mix heroin (and other opiates & non-opiates, too) with all kinds of different drugs.
So, whether you choose to believe us, or not, I guess is up to you. We're just telling you that it's out there. Peace...:\
 
rachamim18's story actually sounds accurate to the heroin terms website i had looked up heh.
 
BUT, whether or not it was not misused, it HAS been applied to a PCP-Heroin combo that ive have used personally numerous times
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i've never used PCP before. it's a dissociative isn't it? i imagine the experience is more akin to something like LSD or mushrooms rather than opiates. And i cant imagine any of those combined with heroin is pleasant. Did you IV this mixture? what was the high like?
 
Defaultuseds links...

Default: You offer a Medline article about urine toxicologies for methadone patients as scientific proof that people actually sell heroin adulterated with PCP? Do you understand the article referenced? It is simply a record of what showed up in a group of methadone patients urine screens...it does not imply that they bought a heroin/PCP mixture...As for your second link...Come on man, we are presently on a B.L. thread devoted to the same exact subject...Why would you offer it?

Just for the record I am well aware of the article offered as a hyperlink in the thread. It does not mention a PCP/heroin mixture...

Listen: I can walk 4 blocks and buy any reasonable amount of unadulterated PCP [in liquid form]. I can also take a walk down to the lobby of my project and buy as much heroin as I can afford. I can then gas the PCP to convert it to crystal, and adulterate my heroin. That does not make it a trend.
 
i don't do dope, but a friend of mine bought a bag of h, and he liked it. when he asked his dealer if he could get more of the same shit, the guy told him that the shit he was talking about was laced with pcp. i guess it looked like regular h, but it had black specks in it. trust me, dope has been cut with anything you can imagine
 
It just seems so uncommon (heroin cut with pcp) that it would be unlikey for there to be a spread of a slang to refer to it across some distance. Would one even feel the heroin if it was cut with PCP? I'd imagine not. It seems so ludacris for that to be a popular practice.

Yes we all know that heroin can be cut with anything, but it being a popular practice by dealers is whats in question.. not that IF someone can do it.
 
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