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Anyone ever here of dope called scramble?

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It's true the pubmed article abstract i linked does not refer to specific instances where users bought something called 'p-dope,' that was a mixture of heroin and pcp. Though asking negrogeric, your line of questioning suggested that you did not know of any possible synergistic effects between pcp and heroin; look at his response to the thread linked. I don't mean to split hairs and I'm not saying that you didn't know pcp and heroin had any possible combination value, as one is an opiate and the other a dissociative. I only posted those links without any explanation because i thought it would fully answer your question.

I agree just because a few addicts may have had the combination in their urine doesnt mean a pattern of use. But it was noted in a journal, wheter or not people recognized the possible recreational value. And the fact that pcp was found in urine at low concentration suggests that people probably just smoked the stuff and then took heroin (rather than purchasing the two drugs in combination, enough to breed a slang term). So yes i did not mean disrespect by curtly posting article, which afforded an explanation.



The frequent finding of low levels of PCP in combination with other drugs indicates the availability of this hallucinogen and point to its use in combination with other illicit drugs such as cocaine, amphetamine, and heroin.
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K'dOUTinAZ said:
No links are good enough for such a close-minded person. Rachmim, provide a link that specifically says that P-Dope is only slang for 20-30% pure heroin. In those exact words.
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i'm sure drug slang would have gotten mixed up somewhere along the lines, someone meaning to say p-funk ends up confusing it with p-dope and so the term becomes attached to p-dope (like chinese whispers :) )
think about the "smacky" ecstasy pills or smoking dope (weed).
An arguement about street slang seems ridiculous to me as people have the right to call a drug whatever they want especially if they are trying to avoid something. Why does a lot of slang exist, because people like making names up.
I'm really not sure if i actually made a point then, but im repeating myself. So i'll go now
 
Baker et al...

Baker this is not about slang for Kdou. Kdou is whining because of two other threads where he has offered his "expert" opinion only to have it blow up in his face. This is sadly personal for him.

Default: You are taking it to heart [and you should never do that]. The study simply states that a few of the [methadone] patients had used PCP sometime recently. I myself would have certainly tested positive for both substances at many points in my life. I just never consumed them in a ready made mixture [as some are claiming here].

Kdou wants a link that states "P-Dope" refers specifically to 30% heroin...Just try Erowids drug slang compendium. I will not even check to see if is there...That is how sure I am of what I state.

There is no viable url that links directly to that page but you can simply link to this: www.erowid.org

and use the sites search engine. Type in the key word:"Drug Slang" and then key on the letter "P".

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rachamim18 said:
Baker this is not about slang for Kdou. Kdou is whining because of two other threads where he has offered his "expert" opinion only to have it blow up in his face. This is sadly personal for him.
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yes I have seen a few arguements going on in other threads, all im saying is that your both right and a slang form of the word p-dope could actually be referred to as what p-funk was just through word of mouth, it has spread to an incorrect meaning, so that the slang words do exist. eg Ice can refer to both crystal methamphetamine or 4-methylaminorex. However it only referred to one originally
 
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Baker "P-Dope" and "P-Funk" both refer to the same thing, but you are right about words being coopted. I personally do not obsess about it . I do not see it as being prudent if I remain silent when someone puts misinformation out there. With this paticular set of slang words I felt that it was more important than usual to set the record straight.

Fen analogs can be 20,000 times stronger than respective doses of heroin. The issue for me was not even about PCP and herion...
 
well actually after a quick search you should find that they are different as stated in a previous post and linked

P-dope = 20-30% pure heroin
P-funk = heroin; crack and PCP

but yeah i think our points have been made and it can end now
 
Baker...

I know that you are in Australia etc...P-Dope was an actual stamp [brand name]...many junkies just started calling it "P-Funk" out of habit...Any NYC junkie over 35 will tell you the same. The only reason I referenced a slang dictionary was because I was explicitly asked. They are worthless...Take a look at "All American Drug"...they claim that that is a common label for coke...sure...
 
Negro: First of all you expect me to believe that people regularly sell heroin adulterated with PCP? Why would anyone adulterate a powerful [or any] opiate with a disassociative? Why would a single case of this ever happening never turn up in any journal,data bank, or documented news story? Anyone can adulterate anything with anything but for a slang term to enter the lexicon it implies common usage...and you do not maintain that this is common usage,do you?
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Its not heroin adulturated with PCP that i was buying, it was heroin intentionally mixed with PCP. They dealers make this very clear, as the PCP+Heroin combo is MORE EXPENSIVE than regular heroin. Its added because when injected, the combo is very powerfull, as PCP definately potentiates heroin (as does its relative ketamine). This heroin i bought was not "laced", it was mixed and sold for a higher price than normal heroin. Just because you havent found it in as you say "any journal,data bank, or documented news story", doesnt mean it doesnt exist, i know this because i have bought it and used it before, and it was a nice combo. PCP is definately less psychedelic when IVed and more like general anesthetic (same goes for ketamine). There are a number of slang terms they used to refer to this combo, and ONE of them was p-dope. Do i need to say more?

And soundpharm made a good point:

We're not disagreeing with you. "P-Dope" usually means heroin of higher quality. But as you can see, as slang mutates, SOME people seem to have taken to calling heroin cut with PCP "P-Dope", also. I don't know why. I don't care why.
I just think it's odd that since this is something you obviously have never heard of, or seen in practice, that you so adamantly refuse to believe that it exists. That's all.
I mean, people everywhere mix heroin (and other opiates & non-opiates, too) with all kinds of different drugs.
So, whether you choose to believe us, or not, I guess is up to you.
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I personally dont have a problem with being wrong, i dont NEED to feel like i am right, i have an open mind, but from my first hand experience i have heard this slang term used in a variety of ways, although i agree "potent dope" is the most common definition. Far be it for a word to mean more than one thing. Especially when dealing with things as subjective as slang, you need to have an open mind and acknoledge that it could mean a variety of things to a variety of people.
 
Wise words to the close minded...

negrogesic said:
I personally dont have a problem with being wrong, i dont NEED to feel like i am right, i have an open mind, but from my first hand experience i have heard this slang term used in a variety of ways, although i agree "potent dope" is the most common definition. Far be it for a word to mean more than one thing. Especially when dealing with things as subjective as slang, you need to have an open mind and acknoledge that it could mean a variety of things to a variety of people.
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K'dOUTinAZ said:
No links are good enough for such a close-minded person. Rachmim, provide a link that specifically says that P-Dope is only slang for 20-30% pure heroin. In those exact words.
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p-dope from urbandictionary.com:
'1. P-Dope

P-Dope is only slang for 20-30% pure heroin. In those exact words.

The man on the corner sold P-Dope
Source: kdinaz, Nov 7, 2004'

wow all this to define a slang term
 
Do you really think that is funny in any sort of way? How much time did you waste to do that? Anyway, that ain't no source

Urban Dictionary is a slang dictionary with your definitions

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Anyway, Negrogesic already cleared this shit up the best that it will ever be. I could care less about anymore posts on this thread from here on out.
 
the last word [as if]

Kdou the physiology expert speaks...

Let me break it down again...I really do not give a rats ass about differences in slang EXCEPT for this paticular word [and it is not the word that started this thread]. I do not care about a supposed mixture of PCP and heroin [which is funny if you think about it but that too is neither here nor there]. My point was, and I do think that I was pretty clear in spelling it out about 20 posts back...is that this paticular word, "P-DOPE," has often been applied to fen analogs [actually I think that it was Negro who inserted that nugget into this thread] and that this displays perfectly why "slang" can sometimes have life and death implications...Cut an ounce of methyl-alpha fentanyl with 45% lactose/quinine and see what happens...

People like Kdou whined that they needed to see the original definition of "P-DOPE" in print to believe it. About 6 people provided him with it and he turns around like an old woman and starts bitching about the last posters "humor." Whatever...I do not give a shit about ego...I proved myself in university, not in bulletin boards,etc. If you look at all the threads where I have been involved in contentious subjects you will notice a grand total of 4 [including this one]...outside of arguing with Holocaust deniers in the Political Forum of course.

If you look further into it and take note of which threads I post on you might notice something startling: I only post in threads where I have personal knowledge of the subject manner. How many amphetamine threads or hallucinogenic threads am I chiming in on? Actually about 3 out of a thousand or so threads...Of course I do have plenty of subjective experience with the 2 afore mentioned subjects, I even went to prison for a hallucinogenic. I can tell you how it is made,I can tell you how it is distributed from the source to the connect but I do not pound the physiology,etc. into my conciousness. Heroin,et al. have effected my life [for better or worse] more than any other type of "substance," so I have taken the necessary time to gain as much knowledge as possible.That is far from being an "expert" but I do know what I chime in about.

At the end of the day I do not count on B.L for fulillment. I do however think that "Harm Reduction" is a wonderful concept. If it had even had a name when I was young I might not be dying from Hep- C...but then again since I was much more obstinate than even know it alls like Kdou I probably would have blown off any similar posts just as Kdou [and others of course] are doing. I offer what I know. I know the origin of the word because the stamp that started the whole thing "Scramble" and "P-Dope" were sold about 13 blocks from where I am typing this missive. If people want to fuck their nod up with some dust...go for it. If people want to call coke "All American Drug" or weed "Black African" then go for it again...but noone should ever discount the importance of words - especially for the majority of the people that post here. The majority will sadly look to this forum and site as the last word in their search for knowledge and sadly that can lead to alot of complications...


Rivered: Seeing your name and Kdous near each other gave me an idea...When you take your trip you might make an effort to seek out a drug program because they are now giving heroin addicts [I know you do not have a habit but you can be creative] ketamine to wean them off of opiates/opioids. Come to think of it that kind of points in the direction of "Why then would PCP and heroin ever be sold/taken together?" Anyway, besides the methcathinone [which is legal there] that might be your other "new experience."


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8) I'm not going to even bother reading your post. Your whinning again old man....waa....waa....waa. My name is rachamim18 and I'm going to write an entire page about nothing that has already been talked about. I have way too much time on my hand and I think that K'dOUTinAZ really takes what I say to heart. I have a grudge which makes me look like an immature 6 year old I have nothing better to do but bitch and whine like the sad old pathetic old man I am...waa....waa....waa.

Nobody gives a shit about your recent off-topic posts. They just make you look like an ass and I doubt anybody reads them. 8) Your so sad. Its just so pathetic if you take the time out of your 'busy day with the family and work' to write a page full of bullshit to somebody who doesn't care. Get a life and find a hobby, you need one.

Have a good day :)

You can look around the first page of both DR and OD and you will see many, many people thanking me and telling others to listen to my advice. Now look around your posts...its just choas and people yelling at me. Just face it man, I know you wanna be me but you can't. Thats just how things are. Also, write another post of flames to me and I'll do what I always do, not read it and return the favor with flames.
 
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