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Anyone else not really feel addictiveness from normally addictive drugs?

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Everyone knows that the top two for the hierarchy of drug addiction are methamphetamine and heroin, but I general don't feel addiction to these substances.
I've tried meth three times, just 10 minutes ago I smoked some of the point I bought but this was my first session in the last 10 months.
Heroin I haven't done for 3 months, and it was 10 months before that and again no cravings really (although many who have read my posts on opiates know they don't seem to affect me like others)
The thing that gets me is that as far as the most enjoyable high methamphetamine is near the top of my list and I hardly get much for a comedown on it, it ranks under ketamine and a select few psychedelics, but after what I have is gone I don't feel cravings to get more, where as even other stimulants like cocaine I find to be moreish.

Two factors I generally believe attribute to this:

1.) The few times I've gotten meth it has felt extremely clean and smooth and of high purity, whereas my blow tends to be lower street quality (does anyone else find dirty meth or cocaine to be more compulsive than clean product?)

2.) None of my friends do meth and I would never do it around them or tell them I've done it because they would shame me, so this takes the social factor of drug use right out of the equation

However drugs like ketamine I find I almost have constant cravings for, even though it's generally not considered to be as addictive, although I have always been a lover of psychedelics.
How much of a role do you guys think that personal preference plays over more physiological factors such as the dopamine reward system?

Just some tweaked out thoughts, when I'm on stims my mind tends to turn to addiction a lot haha, an interesting concept to ponder indeed
 
C'mon man.... as a Bluelight veteran, I'm going to speak to you like I would want you to speak to me if I posted something like this, I apologize if you get offended but I only do it out of love, seriously:

You sound like a 14yo with a needle in his arm claiming he knows the trick to not getting addicted.

This is one of the weirdest threads I've read in a long time. You say you're not going to get addicted to meth but you don't say you're going to stop, you're just going to smoke every once in awhile, I guess... you don't really say. The whole friends thing does not make any sense, at all. You say the fact that you have friends that don't smoke will make you not smoke. You're obviously going to keep smoking considering you're smoking right now! C'mon man... So that fail safe wont work. You're also counting on the fact that you can only get good meth as a way to stop yourself from getting addicted. Do you hear yourself? You're saying that if you smoked crappy meth, instead of good meth, you'd get addicted. C'mon man...

Just remember that addiction doesn't just happen overnight. It's not like anyone wants to get addicted, you know that. With opiates it took me years to go from my first time to getting addicted, probably about 5 years. At first I did opiates very sparingly, probably less than you use heroin or meth now. I loved it, but I was concerned about addiction so I would use what I had and move on. I would never really have any cravings, a thought or two about getting more, but no true cravings. Then one day I got enough that I couldn't just move on, and I sure as hell couldn't throw it away. Wanna guess what happened?

Seriously, you gotta tell your friends. Just be honest, you tell them that in the last year you've tried heroin and meth a few times. They're there to support you. That's what friends are for. You obviously really like meth, you're going to do it again. If they'll shame you cause you smoked a few times in the last few years, you gotta really reevaluate your friends. Although it depends on what you mean by shame you. Relying on your friends making it a pain to smoke isn't going to help, at all. And The good quality preventing you from smoking again...

I know you've seen a bunch of threads like this before... there have been several lately.

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Oh, and btw, you are making a HUGE generalization when you say that everybody knows meth and heroin are the two most addictive drugs. Sounds like you have been subject to government propaganda! Not really, that's how the media and anti-drug 'education' makes it out to be. On Bluelight, where almost all the users do drugs, I doubt you could even get 25% of the users to agree on what the most addictive drug is, let alone agree on the top 2. If you include every substance, the most voted on drug would still only net 5-10%. Even if you use drug types, it would still be a toss up. A lot of people say that benzo's are the most addictive. You'd probably get a lot of votes for alcohol. I would even bet that the winner would be tobacco.
 
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Well yes I guess that my post does sound like I think I'll never get addicted.
I've fallen for that before on cocaine and I know perfectly well that addictions creep up on you without any real warning, I didn't know I was addicted until I was far too deep, same with ketamine only worse because with ketamine I was making excuses daily and lying to my closest friends nearly daily about my usage. Even now when someone mentions my k habit I get extremely embarrassed. I know I haven't been clean from it for long to enough to say with any certainty at all that I won't relapse.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I know that no matter how much self control one thinks they have is irrelevant when dealing with addiction, I was just wondering why I never felt te cravings like I did with cocaine the first second it went up my nose, but I know that cravings don't necessarily mean that without those cravings you won't get addicted.

I mean there is the occasional time every few months where I think about trying it but I can easily push it away by thinking of my future, but I know that this is far from a fool proof plan
And I have told one of my closest friends but the other I can't because she experienced the brunt of my ketamine addiction since we lived together during the whole time, and she might not shame me, but be extremely issapointed and I just don't want her to be disappointed in me when I'm not using at an addictive rate, but if things get worse I obviously will come clean for the support group you need during addiction.
I'm just feeling like although I like meth it still doesn't feel like the drug for me, and I know many people say that before addiction, but I do acknowledge that my thoughts on my situation could easily lead to the same scenario.
I mean during the high I didn't really crave more at the end, and during the comedown I don't feel any cravings to do more.

And yea to your last part I guess I was being very short sighted and selective in my view there, I have seen an innumerable number of threads regarding benzo addiction.

I guess what I'm saying in the end that I feel like my acknowledgement of the fact that there is no guarantee with any drug that you won't get addicted regardless of the drug, and I feel like that gives me a slight advantage since I won't be as easily fooled into addiction while retaining the mindset of ill quit every time.
My plan was always to never use more than 6 months, but both times I went 10 months without so much as a thought once the six month mark came up

EDIT: and even though it is hardly relevant, I'm 20 with several years of drug use, although only in the last two years have I really made steps towards HR, and have never touched a needle, only out of fear that the high will destroy the any progress I feel I've made.
 
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Everyone is different as to what drugs are addictive, and addiction is not quite a black or white issue. There are shades and levels and layers etc. I've smoked crack several times and frankly, I just wasn't into it. Opiates, on the other hand, made everything so easy and of course I thought I was just using " as needed" & before I knew it I was using every day. Of course, I always had a good reason like "I'm gonna clean up the kitchen" or just hanging out with friends is better since i'm not a drinker or whatever. When people get addicted to something, they often don't even acknowledge the addiction until it's too late. I gave up the H/opioid game only after I found my younger brother (who I admit I influenced) dead on the toilet, needle on the floor.

I never thought we were junkies since we weren't stereotypes. He was a bodybuilder. We were just kids in our twenties having fun. And ,shit, sometimes I thing he was the lucky one. I was a mess after the incident.

If you get addicted, you will probably think you're "just having a good time" until the shit hits the fan & everyone knows about it, even if they don't say anything.

As for the needle, leave that shit alone. It's a long road & very hard to turn back. Best of luck, but please don't delude yourself.
If you find thoughts/reasons to get high popping up it's a big red flag even if those reasons make perfect sense to you.

But it is ultimately up to you.
 
The only drug I've even contemplated using a needle is IM k, but I'm still going to leave that alone.
Almost all of PD who does it raves about it but I enjoy my ketamine plenty when insufflated
I definitely remember the delusions when I was addicted to blow, it was my friend who knew he had a problem who had to explain to me and make me see I had a problem. I was only using max twice weekly but he asked me this question, "well fuck dude you have to go to work in 30 minutes. If I busted up a g would you do it?"
"Fuuuuuck"
But I also understand that just because I went through those delusions before doesn't mean ill so easily recognize them again.
I know I feel in control but I also know that feeling in control can mean absolutely nothing.
Another thing I like about my bodies reactions to drugs is that I get particularly bad comedowns, even after two hours into my session today I had only done maybe .3 but I was already beginning to comedown and that stayed with me right until the last hit.
Some people can keep using and keep their comedowns at bay, I can't. They compound horrifically everytime I redose.
As well I may be saying this out of ignorance but it's generally very unlikely for me to go through an all night binge.
Even during my coke days I cut out hours before everyone else e cause I was tired an didn't wanna deal with being that tweaked then coming down so hard
 
Crack cocaine is a highly addictive drug, but I never really got hooked on it myself, in fact I can turn a pipe down without a second thought. That being said, I've lost count of the amount of people who go into it intending to use self-control with addicting drugs; a few months later they are addicts...some drugs just feel to good to really control, no matter how strong you are. They're insidious like that; they can just creep up on you gradually.
 
Everyone handles their shit differently. Some are more prone to addictions to certain drugs based on genetics/lifestyle/current emotions, and a variety of reasons.

I've tried every drug under the sun of the roof except a few, and two of them being "the most addictive drugs" (although their not scientifically) Heroin and meth, i've tried but never became addicted to them along with any other drug. BECAUSE I was smart enough to educate myself about the MILLIONS of problems that come from daily/frequent use of any drug, and DID not want to deal with that whole lot.

That has and hopefully will keep all my uses recreational been 3 years now.
 
I have to agree w/ bennyZA (i really only read first reply, sorry.) he made a lot of good points. stop while you're ahead, esp if you think you can beat nature, cuz u cant in the end :D
 
I just want to point out in MY CASE-When i was young (20's) I took LOTS of different pills regularly including Vals, Ludes, and Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Hydrochloride) -Never a hint of addiction-Fast Forward 30 years (clean) and i became addicted immediately to opiods.

When you are young, you can do a lot of things that wont work later. I mean-when you are young, you dont even get hangovers from drinking for a while.
Anyway i really suffered on the pain pills-took years to get off even though i started trying almost immediately after realizing i was hooked.

Be careful-
 
I'm not even that old, but I'm really noticing shit like hangovers, comedowns, etc. Must be something to do with a slowing metabolism? I guess when you're really young and it's only the good shit you feel, it's easy to go completely overboard. I know it's a cliche, but you do only have one mind and one body; it's all you get.
 
Mind over matter. I dislike the comedown but accept it as a consequence of using the drug. I do not give into the comedown because I know eventually I will have to comedown or become addicted.
 
Any time I've done meth I've been really good at not giving into the comedown, but cocaine is a whole other story
I didn't even really think about going back for more after the point was done
 
Now that I quit butts I can smoke them recreationally and not get addicted again but it's gross so I don't even bother anymore....but I hear u....I love opiates but have never found myself addicted...recreationally since 20 ( 26 now ) , don't snort them, and neverincreased dose to more than 30 mg...so I get it...
 
Opiates have always been my downfall, ever since that first dose of dhc around the age of 15. Most stimulants I can take or leave, partially due to the comedowns. Nicotine and caffeine are major addictions of mine...I personally find tobacco more addicting than crack cocaine, as absurd as that sounds.
 
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Opiates have always been my downfall, ever since that first dose of dhc around the age of 15. Most stimulants I can take or leave, partially due to the comedowns. Nicotine and caffeine are major addictions of mine...I personally find tobacco more addicting than crack cocaine, as absurd as that sounds.
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I have adhd so I never abuse stims butwhen i do take my adderall i have no desire for any drugs at all....It's helped me cut way back on my tree consumption
 
I'm kind of the same way with suboxone: knowing I couldn't get high on opiates if I wanted to (it's a blocker) has really helped control my cravings.

As somebody with ADHD, do the effects of stimulants calm you down, instead of speed you up? (Interestingly, the active drug in ritalin is highly popular on the RC scene).
 
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I'm kind of the same way with subokoxone: knowing I couldn't get high on opiates if I wanted to (it's a blocker) has really helped control my cravings.

As somebody with ADHD, do the effects of stimulants calm you down, instead of speed you up? (Interestingly, the active drug in ritalin is highly popular on the RC scene).
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I'm impulsive inattentive subset so I'm never going hyper...but it creates opportunities to think about everything before u do it....as for cns stimulation...nothing really ( although I use therapeutic dose )....but my pns is on point like caffiene before the tolerance...so yes it slows my mind and allows my full attention to things....but no I'm not super hyped amped up king shit........I'm just correct version of myself.
 
That's interesting. I'm personally a laid back person; my DOC's tend to be relaxing drugs (booze, opiates, benzos, etc). I've always wanted to try barbiturates, but they're very rare over here.

Although I'm greedy as fuck for coke (powder, never freebase or crack).
 
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That's interesting. I'm personally a laid back person; my DOC's tend to be relaxing drugs (booze, opiates, benzos, etc). I've always wanted to try barbiturates, but they're very rare over here.
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Ditto. Opiates don't calm me down though, but benzos and barbs and alcohol certainly will.

You've always wanted to try barbs? I've tried them all - and apart from their onset and overall duration of effect and potency they're no different to alcohol unless you take seriously big amounts of alcohol and you're counting pink elephants. You don't get that with barbiturates, but you can get comatose and dead, very easily. Avoid them really. They're very dangerous especially if you become complacent and mix them with other downers.
 
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