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Anyone else hate suboxone?

Inrvizion said:
Your doctor is a fucking idiot, 32mg is the FLOOR of Buprenorphine, if he prescribes you 40 mgs a day he's not only being stupid, he's breaking state and federal regulations. Sounds like your doctor is in the mafia if he's really giving you a script that gratuitous...

Good luck explaining that to him though, if you are being truthful, he is a fucking idiot and you should just keep filling your scrips, doing whatever you want with the extra 90 a month that you get... <3 :\

Idiot? No. Ill-informed? yes. lol. Although I think he knows what's up when he gives me the 5x per day dose. He knows this shit is expensive as hell even with insurance so he writes accordingly so I don't run out. I don't believe there is any regulations saying that he can not prescribe more than 32mg per day. Maybe they have changed the regulations, but several pharmacies have no problem what so ever dispensing that dose.

He knows a lot about drugs in general - more so than any doctor I have ever spoken to. He is older - only working part time doing addiction treatment, but comes from a pain mgmt background and the more = increased effect mindset. Not so in this case. Really though I believe he knows that I don't need that amount and does it so it is more affordable for me if I can't afford the script at the time as well as in case he isn't able to see me in exactly 30 days...
 
I have a pretty high tolerance right now, and I snorted about 4 mg of suboxone the other day. A friend told me I might get a nod off of it. I didn't really feel anything much at all.

However... I must say that after reading through this thread, I am becoming very interested in it. People say it takes away the craving for opiates. WOW. If this is really true, then it seems like a miracle drug. The cravings are always what stop me from sticking to a disciplined taper. Now, if I could get on suboxone and then taper off of THAT, it seems to me like I might just beat opiate addiction.

I'm going to have to look into this further.
 
I hate how fast tolerance builds up to this drug :| I started with a few mg a day and 4 days later I'm at 16mg feeling barely sedated.
 
I don't get all you people out there that take 8mgs or more of suboxone a day. I mean you would all seriously feel 100 times better on a low dose of 1-3mgs a day.. Shit and if you snort it, 1mg will do ya good too, even in people that have huge tolerances to opiates can get by on 2mgs a day. Just try it. I think if you go over 8mgs in a day you start to feel shitty and get the sweats, fuck that stick to as low dose as possible and you will feel way better and have no cravings..
 
JahRed24x said:
I don't get all you people out there that take 8mgs or more of suboxone a day. I mean you would all seriously feel 100 times better on a low dose of 1-3mgs a day.. Shit and if you snort it, 1mg will do ya good too, even in people that have huge tolerances to opiates can get by on 2mgs a day. Just try it. I think if you go over 8mgs in a day you start to feel shitty and get the sweats, fuck that stick to as low dose as possible and you will feel way better and have no cravings..

Not everyone responds well to it. 32mg sublingual isn't enough to stop withdrawals in many people. Bupe has a history of not handling cravings well in the short or long term. It has a place in medication replacement therapy, I won't deny that, or say it should be taken off the market. Many people have been helped by this drug. But, it causes the same and in some instances worse addiction and health problems than Heroin (see: France, India, Georgia, etc). I've seen American and European Bupe patients calling for the end to Methadone treatment; as if Buprenorphine is some magic bullet that is superior to not only Methadone but every treatment modality.

And if people were limited to 2mg/day of Buprenorphine in treatment, it would never work for most of the people prescribed it, who take 8-32mg/day.
 
babygetoboy said:
For me personally suboxone does nothing for the cravings at all.

Its not going to help anything when you are using heroin more often than you use the suboxone ;)

Canis aureus said:
The problem of subs for longterm users (or real users or heavy users or mu-agonist users) remains to be the same: bup has no strenght to kill the opiate hunger, like methadone; and that makes life on buprenorphine undesiderable.

Where did you come up with that? Buprenorphine kills my heroin cravings better than heroin does.

Dont make generalized statements and then try to pass them off as gospel. You obviously have no idea what you are saying.

Naloxone does not induce withdrawal in Buprenorphine dependant patients when injected, especially if the dose of Bupe is high (16-32mg/day). This means a Bupe maintanence patient can shoot either Subutex or the more prevalent Suboxone, usually with additives that are available OTC, can be ordered legally online, or prescribed.

Im starting to think A LOT of you have no idea what is coming out of your mouth.

Naloxone may not cause precipitated withdrawals, but buprenorphine sure as hell does. The people who decided to add naloxone to suboxone to make it abuse-proof may have fucked up, but they got lucky when buprenorphine had the same effects and ended up saving their asses.

dread said:
Actually, naloxone taken orally works as a laxative... When I started on suboxone I was running to the toilet every morning after my dose..

And again. DO NOT post shit that is totally wrong. Naloxone does not work as a laxative, at least not when taken in the suboxone forumlation. If suboxone is taken sublingually, its BA is so low, that it is practically useless. It does nothing. Plus, buprenorphine has a stronger binding affinity, so if the naloxone did make it in your system, the buprenorphine would cancel it out.

The naloxone did not give you the shits.

BingeBoy said:
that's more likely to be caused by the buprenorphine knocking it's metabolite (norbupe) off the receptors causing a very short kinda semi-withdrawal , a few other posters here have had the same experience

He nailed it. Thats why you got the shits.

Naptown Wicked said:
suboxone doesn't do jack for me. It doesn't help cravings, I've taken it while high on OC and it didn't put me into any withdrawals. It's basically just like a sugar pill TO ME. Awesome for everyone here whom it helps! :)

Thats because you arent addicted to opiates. You cant experience precipitated withdrawals if you cant experience normal withdrawals, so if you didnt feel precipitated withdrawals from taking bupe while high on OC, obviously you arent addicted enough to feel any withdrawals what-so-ever.

Aeon Psyche said:
I hate how fast tolerance builds up to this drug :| I started with a few mg a day and 4 days later I'm at 16mg feeling barely sedated.

Youre doing it wrong then. Ive been on 4mg for over a year and it works just as good as it did a year ago. The beauty of suboxone is supposed to be that your tolerance DOESNT go up with it.

I am willing to bet you are taking more than you are supposed to on certain occasions, or still abusing full-agonist opioids. That would be the only explanation for your tolerance going up so much.

OR, you are talking about getting high on suboxone. Yes, if 4mg got you high, it wont take long until it doesnt get you high anymore. In about 2 or 3 days, you will lose the ability to get high from it, and no matter how much more you take, you will not feel that high again.
 
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anti-social said:
I just threw out about 300 of them..am i crazy?


Yes. you are..In my location an 8mg suboxone can range from $xx-$xx !!!!! No lie...

I personally find suboxone as a miracle drug as it has a strong effect on me..I can take 4mgs suboxone and it is stronger in terms of diminished social anxiety and euphoria than 80mgs of OC for me...and many others can atest to that...

I never throw up from opiates, but 4-8mgs of suboxone will give me waves of nausea and eventually vomiting...I must ad that i have a huge tolerance to everything so im always shocked at the power of this drug..

on the other side of the mountain, many complain that heroic doses do nothing for their cravings and anxiety...all drugs are subjective...

***EDIT: Keep prices to the price thread please. - Mr Blonde***
 
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sixpartseven said:
Thats because you arent addicted to opiates. You cant experience precipitated withdrawals if you cant experience normal withdrawals, so if you didnt feel precipitated withdrawals from taking bupe while high on OC, obviously you arent addicted enough to feel any withdrawals what-so-ever.
That makes sense :) I guess I'm not too addicted even though I take opiates every day. I only take 20-40 mgs daily with an occasional 80 here and there. It's true that I've never really been through an actual withdrawal, but I definitely have cravings when I'm without which I think is more of a crave of the buzz than it is of the drug. If that makes sense....
 
sixpartseven said:
OR, you are talking about getting high on suboxone. Yes, if 4mg got you high, it wont take long until it doesnt get you high anymore. In about 2 or 3 days, you will lose the ability to get high from it, and no matter how much more you take, you will not feel that high again.

Yes, I've noticed.
 
biggerstronger said:
I'm prescribed 40mg per day. no joke. :)

My doctor is actually pretty knowledgeable about drugs too so it's kind of surprising. Obviously I don't take that much. I'm fine taking 2-8mg per day.


Whoever said that stupid and you doctor knows nothing is sorta wrong sort of right.

My doctor is an arrogrant bastard and pretty much calls himself the self-proclaimed Buprenorphine king.

He had a cocktail it was as followed. IM bupe shot, clonidine, vistiral, bentyl, and low dose ativan. He would start them out in the hosptial for a couple days, and actually prescribe all this stuff on the out including the IM bupe, that he would teach addicts how to inject if they did not know how already.

Doctors from around the country would send there addicts to him in flocks because they thought he was the curer of opiate addiction, and because of this I think he took on a god complex. I actually think when the pill suboxone came out he became depressed because his title "opiate addictionolgist" was not as great as it was before because everyone knew his secret and he became less of a genius.

I told you guys the story of what he did to me before. I actually went into the hospital for problems unrelated problems to addiction and at the time was on methadone, and thought i would get my continued care of opiate treatment. Although I had a headache the week before and took a drug called ferernol and also had the drug xanax in me which he has complete disdain for. Xanax and barbs are his two most looked down addictions probablly because he does not have a weapon to beat them down like opiate (although he loves valium for some reason). So, being on drugs he did not approve of and me signing a waiver, and being at the hospital where he had control, he became a big dick and took matter in his on his own hands to flush me from the opiates, and rip me off the xanax. I kept on asking for my methadone, and the nurse came around with a shot she said I could have for pain which she never told me the name, I refused it 3 times until I saw the doctor. The doctor came around and I said I wanted my methhadone, I take 40-60mg on the outs, he goes well I ordered you a pain shot. I go methadone does not come in a shot, then he goes well this stuff is pound for pound more potent the morphine you will like it. That caught my attention so I asked him what its called and he told me nothing except the use it in europe, well I thought they use herion in europe hospital what the hay, and ended up getting too tired to fight for my methadone and took the shot. Well let me tell you he gave me the shot., waited two seconds asked me how I felt "i said oK" then my eyes felt like there were about to bust out of my sockets and shoot blood in every direction. At this time he swiftly left, and went on to his other patients. I found out a second later, i was not on a regular floor I was on his special floor for addicts that he shared with another doctor who treated seizures.

It was the BUPRENORPHINE floor nurses there were old, knew little about bupe although they been using it for years, and knew how to keep quiet and deal with addicts.

After those two seconds, when the third one HIT it was 1, 2, BOOM.. I flew into the most massive withdrawal in the world (maybe exagerating please dont use this against me) I am not lying I instanly became a whimpering animal crying help help like a little baby. My mom witness me metamorphise in a matter of second, she and my nurse who was brand new thought i was having a psychotic break down. The nurse went to go grab morphine which I screamed No, No, No, because I thought they were going to torture me with another shot of bupe at that time I had no idea it was bupe. My mom went running to get my doctor and she asked him what to and he told her "leave, he will be fine tommorow" and she goes no you don't understand he is really bad which i was I thought I was dying. Then he offered to give me a cocktail to send me into sleepy land and then just left.

The next day I slowly got better, and the same nurse was like WOW..what was wrong with you the other day, and she told me what they were giving me and I GO THAT IS WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME. She was like everyone up here get it and seems to like it. Then I told her how it threw me into withdrawal, and she was funny but satanic, she told me she was sick of all the people comming in for diluadid and morphine shot, she called them frequent flyers (addicts). She told me after witnessing what I went threw she was going to sprinkle bupe in there shots so they would never come back and thus free them of there addiction..lol

I confronted the doctor three days later. I go I can't fucking believe you threw me into preticipated withdrawal. Then I felt like I assulted god, and he yells back you know nothing and stop reading crap off the internet. I know what im doing and with you I needed to rip the band aid off fast.

And my mom was there and actually stuck up for him and priased him for getting me off the stuff so quick " by ripping my band aid off fast"

Then I got pissed off at my mom because she get oxycotin 80mg, and thre roxy 30mg a day from him. I told her I was going to rip her band aid off fast and when I get home sprinkle some bupe into her coffee. I sware for a whole month she hid her coffee mug on me or put a lid on the top.lol

This is a true story, and thank JC for deleting that I was lying and all the other bad post about me. I am nutty in other way but deff not a liar.

Back to the subject. He started me off on 32 mg of suboxone. And comming off methadone, the suboxone did nothing for me, even continuios bupe shot IV'd in my viens did nothing for me.

I asked him what would happen if I got in more pian and the 32mg was not cutting, he then goes to tell me he would put me on 40mg and that he has more than one patient on this dose. I said what if 40mg don't work he said then he would try 48mg if the insurance company let.

Then I tried to explain to him that the ceiling dose is 32 mg, so putting his patient on 40mg is irrational, and then he tells me he noticed first hand proof of patients benefting from 40mg, and I then told him by what I read less is more and if you put me on 48 ait would be not different than 32mg. He barely looses his cool but it was like he reverted back to the day in the hospital and told me to shut up and stop reading the god damn internet.

I shut up because obviously this guy has it in his mind he is the bupe god, and I did not wan't to insult the bupe god and cut off my supply. Speically when he was giving me valium, and my beleoved lyrica..oh yeah doctors seem to have a hard on for that stuff too..lol
 
sixpartseven said:
No, snorted. But Im sure IV too. When I had almost no tolerance, 1mg had me very very very high for close to 18 hours. Nods, itching, euphoria, the works. Its just when you have a tolerance, you dont get those effects. I dont even try to get those effects anymore either. This was when I was younger and still naive about what suboxone really should be used for (they were also my friends prescription, not my own.)

I may be wrong about the "stronger than fentanyl" claim, although Im pretty sure Im not, but regardless, its still one of the strongest opioids available for prescription.

im sure 1mg of fentanyl IV would kill you. as a matter of fact 10mg is 3 days worth of fentanyl dosing for someone in pain, and i believe 10mg (100ug) patch is the strongest out there
 
anti-social said:
no when i got in trouble with the law.. i had like over 200 xanax, 200 clono, 500 ativan, 1000 valiums, and bottle and bottles of suboxone and a ton of psych meds.. I threw it all away. Thought the tempation would be too strong, also thought about OD'ing on tryciics so i trashed them. Im kicking myself about the benzo's though because the judge said im allowed to use them because i suffer from panic disorder..and i had legit prescription for the kpins and xanax and suffered the worst month in my life. Now my psych wont give them to me because at first I thought they were going to make me stop taking them..and all my internet sources dried up.

All i got is valium and for some reason it does not do a thing. I like xanax much better. I actually enjoy high doses of lyrica over valium.


i cant imagine having that many pharmaceuticals in my possession; being an addict and flushing them down the toilet, i wouldnt have the balls to do it, i atleast would get what they're all worth in currency...nuff said.
 
used to love it, now i hate it

i used to enjoy taking suboxone while i was snorting dope. It made me feel sociable and relaxed... however that lasted for only about a week. After that i tried to use it to kick the dope and as soon as I'd place it under my tongue (i'm talking about like 1/4th of the pill) and it began to dissolve, i'd start to get sick. Not like precipitated w/d sick, but just the pure taste of that pill made me gag, and eventually lead me to just throw up if I took any amount sublingually for over 10 seconds. I was able to get those from a friend and i bought like 10 of them, then had to get rid of them because not only were they not helping, but making me throw up.

Luckily my insurance covered the doctor i went to see & at first he wanted to give me suboxone & i told him no way.... i said that the only reason i came to him was because he could write a script for either or (suboxone or subutex). So i've been on subutex for about a month and a half ... taking much less then the 16mg he wanted me to. Last thing i need is another habit to worry about and going thru w/d from the bupe.

I do hate suboxone though, ugh just thinking about that "tang" flavor. :X
 
ive been off and on suboxone, this time being the longest since january 07 and i would have to say it reacts strangely in my body.

ive never had issues with sex on the med its not difficult for me to get aroused or anything.

i have gotten withdrawals more than once from sub and it was far worse than my dope habit withdrawals by far.

i dont so much get fucked up from taking it but if i am sick from not having it for a few days and then take one it definitely gives me the all over warm feelings. i remember last time i decided to just stop taking it after running out i canceled my dr visit and like maybe 8-9 days after my last sub dose i woke up at 3am in a cold sweat and my arms and legs were cramped up. i had a script waiting for me on monday and this was 3am friday morning. by the time i got the pills and took 2 of them i felt like a million bucks as if i shot a huge hit of dope.

AND

by far the one thing i loathe about sub is sometimes if i take one when im going to sleep and i dont sleep well enough it gives me that migraine headache like the one you get from doing too many opiates and not sleeping it off. i read somewhere its a result of the nutrients that are sucked out of you by opiates but its so bad on sub that i cant lift my head off my pillow without violently vomiting. my temples throb and pound to the point that it blurs my vision and makes me puke so hard that i just have to finish and lay my head on the toilet seat until the throbbing goes down and i can stumble back to my bed. only happens like once a month or every few months. does anyone else experience this?
 
privateparts said:
ive been off and on suboxone, this time being the longest since january 07 and i would have to say it reacts strangely in my body.

ive never had issues with sex on the med its not difficult for me to get aroused or anything.

i have gotten withdrawals more than once from sub and it was far worse than my dope habit withdrawals by far.

i dont so much get fucked up from taking it but if i am sick from not having it for a few days and then take one it definitely gives me the all over warm feelings. i remember last time i decided to just stop taking it after running out i canceled my dr visit and like maybe 8-9 days after my last sub dose i woke up at 3am in a cold sweat and my arms and legs were cramped up. i had a script waiting for me on monday and this was 3am friday morning. by the time i got the pills and took 2 of them i felt like a million bucks as if i shot a huge hit of dope.

AND

by far the one thing i loathe about sub is sometimes if i take one when im going to sleep and i dont sleep well enough it gives me that migraine headache like the one you get from doing too many opiates and not sleeping it off. i read somewhere its a result of the nutrients that are sucked out of you by opiates but its so bad on sub that i cant lift my head off my pillow without violently vomiting. my temples throb and pound to the point that it blurs my vision and makes me puke so hard that i just have to finish and lay my head on the toilet seat until the throbbing goes down and i can stumble back to my bed. only happens like once a month or every few months. does anyone else experience this?


yes, right after i finished 4mg sublingual suboxone, i violently vomited painfully for 5 mins,,,severe migrane..idk..i hate it, i dont even touch the bottle ne more
 
opiatekrzy said:
im sure 1mg of fentanyl IV would kill you. as a matter of fact 10mg is 3 days worth of fentanyl dosing for someone in pain, and i believe 10mg (100ug) patch is the strongest out there

I was talking about snorting buprenorphine, not IVing. Huge difference. And yeah, 10mg is 3 days for someone in pain, but not someone getting high, again, like I was talking about. Ive taken well over 10mg of fentanyl sublingually/buccally in a day and Im still alive to talk about it. I know thats not snorting it, but who here has much experience with snorting fentanyl anyways?
 
anti-social said:
Whoever said that stupid and you doctor knows nothing is sorta wrong sort of right.

My doctor is an arrogrant bastard and pretty much calls himself the self-proclaimed Buprenorphine king.

He had a cocktail it was as followed. IM bupe shot, clonidine, vistiral, bentyl, and low dose ativan. He would start them out in the hosptial for a couple days, and actually prescribe all this stuff on the out including the IM bupe, that he would teach addicts how to inject if they did not know how already.

Doctors from around the country would send there addicts to him in flocks because they thought he was the curer of opiate addiction, and because of this I think he took on a god complex. I actually think when the pill suboxone came out he became depressed because his title "opiate addictionolgist" was not as great as it was before because everyone knew his secret and he became less of a genius.

I told you guys the story of what he did to me before. I actually went into the hospital for problems unrelated problems to addiction and at the time was on methadone, and thought i would get my continued care of opiate treatment. Although I had a headache the week before and took a drug called ferernol and also had the drug xanax in me which he has complete disdain for. Xanax and barbs are his two most looked down addictions probablly because he does not have a weapon to beat them down like opiate (although he loves valium for some reason). So, being on drugs he did not approve of and me signing a waiver, and being at the hospital where he had control, he became a big dick and took matter in his on his own hands to flush me from the opiates, and rip me off the xanax. I kept on asking for my methadone, and the nurse came around with a shot she said I could have for pain which she never told me the name, I refused it 3 times until I saw the doctor. The doctor came around and I said I wanted my methhadone, I take 40-60mg on the outs, he goes well I ordered you a pain shot. I go methadone does not come in a shot, then he goes well this stuff is pound for pound more potent the morphine you will like it. That caught my attention so I asked him what its called and he told me nothing except the use it in europe, well I thought they use herion in europe hospital what the hay, and ended up getting too tired to fight for my methadone and took the shot. Well let me tell you he gave me the shot., waited two seconds asked me how I felt "i said oK" then my eyes felt like there were about to bust out of my sockets and shoot blood in every direction. At this time he swiftly left, and went on to his other patients. I found out a second later, i was not on a regular floor I was on his special floor for addicts that he shared with another doctor who treated seizures.

It was the BUPRENORPHINE floor nurses there were old, knew little about bupe although they been using it for years, and knew how to keep quiet and deal with addicts.

After those two seconds, when the third one HIT it was 1, 2, BOOM.. I flew into the most massive withdrawal in the world (maybe exagerating please dont use this against me) I am not lying I instanly became a whimpering animal crying help help like a little baby. My mom witness me metamorphise in a matter of second, she and my nurse who was brand new thought i was having a psychotic break down. The nurse went to go grab morphine which I screamed No, No, No, because I thought they were going to torture me with another shot of bupe at that time I had no idea it was bupe. My mom went running to get my doctor and she asked him what to and he told her "leave, he will be fine tommorow" and she goes no you don't understand he is really bad which i was I thought I was dying. Then he offered to give me a cocktail to send me into sleepy land and then just left.

The next day I slowly got better, and the same nurse was like WOW..what was wrong with you the other day, and she told me what they were giving me and I GO THAT IS WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME. She was like everyone up here get it and seems to like it. Then I told her how it threw me into withdrawal, and she was funny but satanic, she told me she was sick of all the people comming in for diluadid and morphine shot, she called them frequent flyers (addicts). She told me after witnessing what I went threw she was going to sprinkle bupe in there shots so they would never come back and thus free them of there addiction..lol

I confronted the doctor three days later. I go I can't fucking believe you threw me into preticipated withdrawal. Then I felt like I assulted god, and he yells back you know nothing and stop reading crap off the internet. I know what im doing and with you I needed to rip the band aid off fast.

And my mom was there and actually stuck up for him and priased him for getting me off the stuff so quick " by ripping my band aid off fast"

Then I got pissed off at my mom because she get oxycotin 80mg, and thre roxy 30mg a day from him. I told her I was going to rip her band aid off fast and when I get home sprinkle some bupe into her coffee. I sware for a whole month she hid her coffee mug on me or put a lid on the top.lol

This is a true story, and thank JC for deleting that I was lying and all the other bad post about me. I am nutty in other way but deff not a liar.

Back to the subject. He started me off on 32 mg of suboxone. And comming off methadone, the suboxone did nothing for me, even continuios bupe shot IV'd in my viens did nothing for me.

I asked him what would happen if I got in more pian and the 32mg was not cutting, he then goes to tell me he would put me on 40mg and that he has more than one patient on this dose. I said what if 40mg don't work he said then he would try 48mg if the insurance company let.

Then I tried to explain to him that the ceiling dose is 32 mg, so putting his patient on 40mg is irrational, and then he tells me he noticed first hand proof of patients benefting from 40mg, and I then told him by what I read less is more and if you put me on 48 ait would be not different than 32mg. He barely looses his cool but it was like he reverted back to the day in the hospital and told me to shut up and stop reading the god damn internet.

I shut up because obviously this guy has it in his mind he is the bupe god, and I did not wan't to insult the bupe god and cut off my supply. Speically when he was giving me valium, and my beleoved lyrica..oh yeah doctors seem to have a hard on for that stuff too..lol

Wow, that's some story. Suboxone, subutex, bupe, whatever the fuck it is, seems like a really weird drug after reading everybody's different accounts.
 
Suboxone is a great drug, so long as you are not abusing it. Taken once or twice daily sublingually (not snorted!) can really block cravings and shift your thoughts from the harder stuff. I am, however, beginning to get worried about the bupe withdrawals.

I have been on Suboxone maintenance for almost 2 years now and:
I have always been able to skip a day or even two with almost no problem besides mild discomfort. I have also been able to rapidly drop (1 to 2 weeks) from 16mg/day to 2mg day with minimal discomfort. BUT it seems as if 2mg/day is the threshold. From 2mg to 1mg is difficult and I didn't really even wind up detoxing totally from 1mg. I was thrown into a "detox center" and was told to drop from a total of 12mg/day to a single 4mg/dose/day and then just go cold turkey! Knowing the taper was setup by a retard I set my own and dropped to about 0.75mg/day after 2 weeks and figured I could hop off with minimal discomfort....WRONG!
 
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