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Anyone else had a codeine addiction?

As with any opiate it makes me more friendly, soft and cuddly but also takes away drive and emotional depth.

The reason I regularily keep detoxing from it is because I want to keep using it for a long time: combined with pregabalin it seems quite effective for pain, especially compared to NSAIDs like naproxen which don't do much for me. As it's a chronic ailment I need a sustainable usage pattern, I don't want to max out my dosage or move on to stronger opiates, and so I need tolerance breaks.
 
Ahh yes lurching, I see where you're coming from. For me codeine stopped the anger n made me feel ok with being alone n my own company. I spent almost 4 years feeling angry n I hated it because angry toxifies the body, in my opinion n was all-consuming. I'm learning now how to deal with that anger n push it away without having to resort to using opiates. It's hard but more rewarding. Anyone can pop a pill n feel the overwhelming feeling of peace n tranquility - but to achieve it myself but properly working for it, looking at reasons why n fully engaging will be more worthwhile because my happiness n calmness will not be dependent on me taking a pill or not.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
Edit: lurching, it really frustrates me when the label/doctor tells people to "take 4 times a day." They're basically telling people to get addicted to the stuff. People should be instructed to only use it if the bad is really bad n be given napraxon.
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That's a rather sweeping statement. One of the reasons I was prescribed co-codamol for so many years is because my system can't deal with naproxen. It's notorious for causing stomach ulcers and internal bleeding. Not nice stuff at all. NSAIDs in general are a bit dodgy - linked to heart attacks and stuff too. The reason 'minor' opies (and opies in general actually) are used for pain is because they have so few serious side-effects and are 'safe' for almost everybody to use. Addiction is the only real risk aside from overdose (which is actually harder to do accidentally than most would maybe think - another reason opies are popular is cos they're much harder to accidentally OD on than paracetamol, aspirin and the like). Yes addiction/dependence is a rather big side-effect if it happens to you but it is the only major side-effect to be concerned about and can be avoided with good management as Lurching points out above.
 
Shambles said:
That's a rather sweeping statement. One of the reasons I was prescribed co-codamol for so many years is because my system can't deal with naproxen. It's notorious for causing stomach ulcers and internal bleeding. Not nice stuff at all. NSAIDs in general are a bit dodgy - linked to heart attacks and stuff too. The reason 'minor' opies (and opies in general actually) are used for pain is because they have so few serious side-effects and are 'safe' for almost everybody to use. Addiction is the only real risk aside from overdose (which is actually harder to do accidentally than most would maybe think - another reason opies are popular is cos they're much harder to accidentally OD on than paracetamol, aspirin and the like). Yes addiction/dependence is a rather big side-effect if it happens to you but it is the only major side-effect to be concerned about and can be avoided with good management as Lurching points out above.
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Yea I remember you telling me you had issues with naproxen, back in January. I hope your pain's ok now cause I think I read somewhere that you hurt your back? It's not the docs prescribing codeine-based pain relief that bothers me but how they instruct people to take it. Most people are aware that really you should take it when the pain is really bad, but some people take the instructions literally and it often leads to addiction. I was aware of the possibility of addiction but was so depressed n angry all the time, that I just took it to rid myself of those negative emotions.

I've got OCD on my notes as well as depression so am not sure whether my GP should have even diagnosed me opiate-based painkiller in the first place. When you mentioned the naproxen I did mention this to my mam because I remember you saying that people should take something else if they are taking naproxen regularly due to stomach issues. I can't remember what it was.

Sorry if I'm talking a load of BS I've had a few Stella Pear Ciders lol.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
When you mentioned the naproxen I did mention this to my mam because I remember you saying that people should take something else if they are taking naproxen regularly due to stomach issues. I can't remember what it was.
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Omeprazole is usually prescribed alongside naproxen to mitigate the side-effects and reduce related stomach pain. My doc told me it was standard and nobody should be taking naproxen without omeprazole but I'm sure if I'd gone to a different doctor they'd say summat different 8)

I - quite literally - couldn't stomach naproxen and having to take one drug to counterract the side-effects of another is not a good road to start down. Even my local (and rather conservative) pharmacist advised that somebody in my position (chronic pain with history of opiate addiction) should be prescribed opiate painkillers and not the other rubbish cos said other rubbish is far, far more damaging to the body taken longterm. Addiction is actually not such a problem if it is truly a chronic condition cos you have to take the stuff either way.
 
My doctors are crap. They tried given me 8/500 weekly instead of 30/500. I said to them - why not give me 4 30/500 rather than 8 8/500 daily because it's more codeine less codeine y'know harm reduction n all that, but no they wouldn't have it. I had to self-refer myself to my local drugs and alcohol team - and they only took me on because I was purchasing codeine illicitly ie it's illegal to purchase 60mg codeine, or I'd had to have gone with the prescribing service which was shite n wouldn't prescribe me suboxone. So, in a nutshell - I am only getting help because I kinda broke the law LOL.... How messed up is that?

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
I said to them - why not give me 4 30/500 rather than 8 8/500 daily because it's more codeine
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Ah, the direct approach, rarely fails for me. But when it does it tends to fail badly. When I was offered 2mg diazepam pills I laughed and asked for a human dose because I wasn't planning to sedate my cat-- next thing I was told to scurry off to 'the others junkies on pillbridge' and that I could forget even my 2mg'ers. My docs great though.
 
lurching said:
Ah, the direct approach, rarely fails for me. But when it does it tends to fail badly. When I was offered 2mg diazepam pills I laughed and asked for a human dose because I wasn't planning to sedate my cat-- next thing I was told to scurry off to 'the others junkies on pillbridge' and that I could forget even my 2mg'ers. My docs great though.
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That's a bit harsh. You'd think they'd be happy that you had a bit of knowledge. Mind you, I suppose they've got to protect themselves at the same time encase they have people complaining n what-not.

Evey
 
I was in withdrawal mode yesterday because on tuesday i had nothing for the first time in fk knows how long. All day at work on Wednesday gagging for it and the last 2 hours of work what an eternity i get home and glugged down a bottle of linctus what a relief. Half of me wants to quit and the other half loves it always gonna be the dilemma with this stuff,

Doctors vary alot my first doctor was such a pussy when it came to my valium taper, would increase dose if i wanted, give me more pills when i boshed too many. Second doctor wasnt having it i spent 20 mins begging him once when i started my job and fked up my taper. I Probably cos my first doctor saw me 5 days ct though not a pretty site. i remember a women next to me in the waiting room where i had to wait 25 mins, was reading her kids these nursery rhymes in the most droney voice. I actually wanted to strangle her at the time
 
Dark Side said:
I was in withdrawal mode yesterday because on tuesday i had nothing for the first time in fk knows how long. All day at work on Wednesday gagging for it and the last 2 hours of work what an eternity i get home and glugged down a bottle of linctus what a relief. Half of me wants to quit and the other half loves it always gonna be the dilemma with this stuff,

Doctors vary alot my first doctor was such a pussy when it came to my valium taper, would increase dose if i wanted, give me more pills when i boshed too many. Second doctor wasnt having it i spent 20 mins begging him once when i started my job and fked up my taper. I Probably cos my first doctor saw me 5 days ct though not a pretty site. i remember a women next to me in the waiting room where i had to wait 25 mins, was reading her kids these nursery rhymes in the most droney voice. I actually wanted to strangle her at the time
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Awwwwh yea I know that feeling - wanting to quit but also NOT wanting to, the withdrawal, the relief when you get some... Only you can decide when you're ready and what route you want to taken in order to get off... and we'll support you.

As for your doctor, well I wouldn't mind a doctor like that LOL.

Evey
 
Bump!!! New message on front temporarily.

BL has helped me a lot over the past year n now it's time to pay that back by helping other members in need of help n finding gaps in services / treatment n ways of filling them.

Evey

Take care , everyone.
 
I'm not sure what oxaforte. Can you elaborate, please? I created this thread to help people with over the counter medication addiction n prescription painkiller addictions. You may have the wrong thread but if you could elaborate on what it is, I'm sure someone will come along soon who can help you.

Welcome to Bluelight n EADD - it's great to see new members :)

Evey
 
Oxafort is a codeine and diclofenac pain killer.

Can you not do a CWE on the pill ? Safer and easier on your body than snorting diclofenac.
 
Yup, I've had that addiction. Tried to super man myself into sobriety and didnt sleep for 5 days. Ended up in Sike .
 
Ahhh I see.
Perskynick are you needing help with addiction to this n a safer way of use - or are you a user wanting to know the best ROA to get high/ better affects? Reason I'm asking is if it 's the latter you're on the wrong thread as this for for help with addiction.

If you look at the stickies "EADD where is xxx?" You will see a list of threads. Scrowl down to drugs n then "codeine n that is the recreational thread for codeine. It's titled. the Nice Codeine Thread. Sorry I'm not on laptop at mo or I'd link it for you. This thread, I've created for people with addictions to codeine / over the counter / painkiller medications.

Sorry for the confusion.

Evey
 
Codeine is what got me started on the pods. It's a very subtle high and it quickly loses it's magic. It also takes ages to get to the good stuff, i remember sitting around for hours waiting for it to filter. It's really frustrating and i'm sure i took some pretty risky shortcuts to speed up the process. The linctus was the best when you could get your hands on it but the taste, eugh. All that effort and for a high that for me only lasts an hour and then i end up with a splitting headache for the rest of the day. Then came the pods but thats a whole different ball game!
 
I miss the Codeine high, when my tolerance allowed it, it was my favourite opiate by a mile - the heavy sedation was orgasmic, and I learned to enjoy the massive histamine release!
Part of me wishes I'd never 'graduated' to more potent/longer lasting opioids. 4-AcO-Loperamide jacked my tolerance faster than anything. =/
 
Bump....

I've mentioned on the Maintenance and After-Care thread that I've been kinda thinking about codeine now and then although nothing major. I can listen to others talking about it now without majorly craving it. I don't know whether that's time gone by or the subs. Anyway thought I'd say this as thought this needed bumping if anyone needs to talk about their issues.

Not sure if how to, but I'd kind of like to change the name of this to include addictions to other lighter opiates n opiate-like drugs ie DHC, and Tramadol. Any suggestions for names people? If I could have a list I'll choose one and ask a mod if they'll change the title of the thread. Thanks :)

Evey
 
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