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Anyone else had a codeine addiction?

Thank you guys! Im going to do exactly that today. Just looking forward to some sleep. Dont worry ill be carefull with them xxx
 
CF was one of the first i found along with Overcount in 2003. I agree with comments, they also dont allow brand names which is just daft as members have to guess wot ur talking about! HoweverIve had great support fm both. They encourage seeking professional support if needed. All forums tend to have varying policies. Iv tried CWE. not sure if it worked, tasted disgusting.
PS, Im a girl :)
 
Lol Inagree about the brand names - especially as they're mentioned on the front page anyway. That's why I tend to say things like 30/500 rather than cocodamol (zapain, kapake) x
Yea cwe does taste minging n takes ages but you can add pop to it n is worth it if it saves a life. I stopped as when i was addicted my head went to mash --- I wanted as much codeine in me n even OD sounded better than nit enough codeine (did I really think that like ) I'm sure I ODs on the para a few times , never went to A n E but was so sick n ill I thought my insides were going to come out. Basically I was a moron.
DO NOT RECOMMEND!!!!! I wouldnt wish feeling that ill on my worst enemy it's worst than withdrawals.

EDIT: Even though was ill n deep down knew what I'd done n was terrified I still kept taking lots of n+ or whatever even though I was being violently ill n on the floor with stomach cramp a voice kept saying "take mote, you need more to feel better."

Now do you all understand why I'm on suboxone. ODIng n not telling anyone, going to hospital. I'm surprised I'm still here the risks I take. THIS is why I get angry when people make remarks about
Me being on suboxone for codeine addiction because of my absolute messed up thought process. And that's why I want to help others.

wcote said:
I signed up years ago when facing a WD off codeine.

HR was pretty awful, as I have stated due to lack of CWE, hearing these awful stories of people going to hospital when they needn't go if they had known of CWE.

Some poor 20 quid going yellow cus his liver was fucked, was really depressing to see.

Saying hope you get better and advice and support of WD is all good and well, but the complete lack of CWE is a fucking outrage, and is bullshit HR. In fact I would go so far as to say it is a support website NOT a HR website,
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Oh I totally agree with this... Just wanted to try n give both sides... I was banned for talking about cold water extraction to someone who had liver damage taking up to 50 30/500s a day (as I mentioned before ). I never understood their reasoning. Someone tried saying cwe was only removing the filler n dangerous n that I was not to mention it again. Of course I did and -------- BANNED!

wcote said:
Little do you know shambles isnt a 'yourself'

Shambles is a collective. :sus:
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Eh? Sorry brain switches off in the evening :) xxxx
Evey xxxx
 
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Had a better night, took 2 sleeping tabs. Still feeling Low and feel as though i have no energy. When i get in from
Work tonight im going to do some excerise see if it helps with the Low mood. God! When will this end :-( its so hard coming off codeine working and holding a relationship down :-( xxx
 
Be careful with the exercise: low intensity is great but high intensity is worrying due to the blood pressure changes during WD.
A 6 minute mile left me with a 167 pulse and hypertension.
 
Wow really? What do you suggest just a little walk or something? I wish my mood would change hate feeling so Low and im sure people around me are sick of it too lol xxx
 
jadehick92 said:
Had a better night, took 2 sleeping tabs. Still feeling Low and feel as though i have no energy. When i get in from
Work tonight im going to do some excerise see if it helps with the Low mood. God! When will this end :-( its so hard coming off codeine working and holding a relationship down :-( xxx
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Awh it will get better though it may seem like it'll never end. You're doing very well n we're all so very proud of you. Sprout is right moderate exercise. Fast pace walking something like that but be careful with the sprinting just yet :) you say you have a relationship, can I ask does your partner know of your addiction? I ask because it can take pressure off when there's someone to support you n talk things through.
You will get better from this - this is your braing repairing n your addiction (part of the brain called the amydala) talking n trying to play mind games with you - make you think this never end. Then it MAY start convincing you that you need codeine to make it better "just one".... When that happens that's when you need support, someone you can talk to to say NO!

You're doing well n thanks for letting us know how you are doing. We do care n are here for you.

Evey xxxx
 
I know im going to have a lot of crapy days. Im just starting to think now how got myself here and what ive done to my body. Yeah my partner knows he understands to a point but he gets fursrated when im so Low and down i dont think anyone knows untill they go through it themselfs. I just want to feel comfortable and Happy again i know its only been two weeks but its just so damn hard especially when i feel everything is just a mess. I know its my brain telling me to Take it i wont i know i wont i just feel everything is getting on top of me. Thanks for support guys! Xxx
 
Hi guys just thought i would let you know how im doing the rls seems to have calmed down a bit now so thats a positive sign. Still getting a little hot & cold flushes but i can cope with them. I also slept a little last night :-) i think or hope rather this is the start of things getting better. Im not saying things are perfect but there better. Im off work a few days now so hopefully by the time i go back im much better. Hope everyone is doing well. I cant beleive ive done two weeks i never thought i could do 2 days.<3
 
Congrats jadehick! I am very proud of you :D

I've been through codeine withdrawal a few times over my years, the only times I could ever bring myself to do it were generally spurred on by financial difficulty... That you've managed to do it and stay on track, that is wonderful!

I'm going to say something.. I don't want you to think I'm being defeatist here, please just carry this with you, keep it up your sleeve as a protective device:
If for whatever reason you use, it is not a failure. It is not throwing away everything you've done. You aren't back at square one, you're not weak. You used once. You've still withdrawn. You're still healing. You are still a recovering addict. Recovering. One momentary hold up is not a step backwards. Stop, reevaluate, continue forwards to your goal.


Now as for this thread... :\
The intensity of codeine addiction depends entirely on the person in question's ability to metabolise codeine to morphine. Would you say someone who needs 50mg morphine a day a minor addiction? how about 200mg?

What if someone can take 200mg of oxy IR and not nod at all... How deep into opiate addiction are they? Does it warrant therapeutic use of sub/etc?
 
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Cartesia said:
I'm going to say something.. I don't want you to think I'm being defeatist here, please just carry this with you, keep it up your sleeve as a protective device:
If for whatever reason you use, it is not a failure. It is not throwing away everything you've done. You aren't back at square one, you're not weak. You used once. You've still withdrawn. You're still healing. You are still a recovering addict. Recovering. One momentary hold up is not a step backwards. Stop, reevaluate, continue forwards to your goal.
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Well said. I couldn't agree more :)

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Now as for this thread... :\
The intensity of codeine addiction depends entirely on the person in question's ability to metabolise codeine to morphine. Would you say someone who needs 50mg morphine a day a minor addiction? how about 200mg?

What if someone can take 200mg of oxy IR and not nod at all... How deep into opiate addiction are they? Does it warrant therapeutic use of sub/etc?
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This part I partially agree with. Yes, codeine is metabolised into morphine, but there are actually a number of other opioids in codeine which do not metabolise into morphine and about which far less is known. From my own experience, I know the amount of morphine available - even if my metabolism to morphine was presumed to be tip-top - in my usual codeine dose is far, far less than what I would need to take of morphine itself to get a somewhat comparable high. Obviously these things are rather subjective, but the difference is so great that there must be more to codeine than simply being a prodrug for morphine.

There's not a great deal of research done on the various opioids found in codeine afaik. I've read some interesting and informative posts around BL on the subject but can't find the particular one I was looking for at the moment. The gist of it is basically what I've just said only in far more technical language with references to the various papers and so on. Frankly, I really wouldn't understand the technicalities anyway but the broad point I do understand and that is that codeine is not simply a prodrug for morphine but a rather complex bunch of opioid compounds (I think around half a dozen or so from memory, but don't quote me on that) which perhaps work in combination to produce the overall effect we feel.

The point you are making about codeine not being in any way a "lesser" opioid is certainly true though. It's not just morphine - it's an opioid of addiction in its own right, and the fact remains that addiction is addiction no matter the drug.
 
Absolutely correct shambles :) One of the more interesting metabolites is C6G - codeine-6-glucuronide... I did alot of reading about it initially.

Through my own experimentation I came to believe that at higher and higher doses C6G plays a more significant role in the psychoactive effects of codeine - it doesn't seem like it suffers the same 'ceilling' limit as the codeine->morphine part. I think people who have to take high doses to feel something from codeine, are essentially feeling C6G, rather than morphine - This would explain why some people who will get next to nothing out of low codeine doses (because they're poor cyp2d6 metabolisers), will stlil find some enjoyment, albeit in a kind of different experience, at higher doses.

Now all of my 'research' was subjective of course.. so its hard to verify, but I've been playing with doses/etc for 8 years.

One of the main things I found, was that while moving from 600mg to 800mg codeine I found virtually no difference in effect (presumably because morphine metabolism has 'capped out' at 600mg), moving up to 1200mg DEFINITELY lead to much increased effect. It felt different though. Something else *had* to be involved, to explain the fact that 600-800 showed no detectable difference, but 800-1200 certainly did.

(thankfully I have relatively mild histamine reactions.. who knows why, its like my body was made for codeine lol)

I think at 600mg, particularly for people like me who is a super-metaboliser to morphine, the morphine is doing the vast majority of the 'work'. It's only once you go significantly beyond the ceiling of morphine metabolism dose, that C6G, an apparently either much milder or present in far smaller quantities opiate, becomes detectable or has a similar impact on feeling.
 
Interesting, Cartesia. It's been a while since I took codeine regularly now but some of what you say does ring bells with me. I never noticed any real 'ceiling effect' as such with codeine, but there do seem to be quite distinct stages and plateaus that feel quite different - similar in a general opioid sense but with noteable differences. Some doses feel really quite stimulating, some much more sedating and no doubt more subtle variations either lost on me or lost in memory for now.

I know when I very first started using codeine just 60mg had me flying for the day. Even at optimal morphine conversion that really isn't much morphine, and also it was a very buzzy, up, stimulated high and not at all sedating like morphine itself. I don't actually like morphine all that much compared to many other opiates cos I tend to prefer the more stimulating ones. I've been fond of codeine since I first used it 20+ years ago - despite having used many other opiates/opioids in the intervening years. To me it is a worthwhile drug in its own right - I've never considered it as some kinda 'poor man's morphine' or anything like that. I take codeine because I enjoy codeine. If I want morphine I'll take morphine. The effects are really quite distinct and different for me.
 
Heh.. I agree entirely! Codeine is wonderful to me, it's far better suited to my lifestyle and what I use it for in most ways. Well. If you ignore the whole dependance/addiction thing 8)
- although I suspect I'm more on the still/laid back side than the stimulated buzzy side like you... It's a shame there is not alot of real research going on with regard to codeine and it's metabolites.. I'd love to have a better understanding of it.
 
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