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anyone actually found enlightenment?

Originally posted by killarava2day
Well, if that's your idea of enlightenemnt then I'm afraid we aren't reading from the same book... Which is cool, it's not exactly something one can quantify, but my idea of "enlightenment" is much deeper than finding beauty in mundanity. It's more like seeing the illusiory nature of reality, of which both mundanity and beauty are a part of, for what it is; a figment of our minds. That's sort of thing takes eons of lifetimes to cultivate, it's not the sort of thing you can get by popping an e. Although, regarding psychedelic experiences I read an interesting thing by a western guy who spent years studying mahayana and was blown away the first time he took acid because everything he'd learnt he suddenly understood at a deeper level than just intellectual. He likened the experience to a traveller looking for a lost city, the psychedelic experience was like a photo of the city, the traveller is heartened because he knows the city really does exist and isn't just a myth. But a photo can never compensate for actually finding the city, the psychedelic experience can orient one in the right direction but it is only a guide and should never be mistaken for true enlightenmnet


Pitfall of cursory explanation of these experiences... others make assumptions and judgements about them.

I do believe that my drug use has shown me the path. But it has also helped me to enlightenment. And it's not just the beauty in the mundane. It is also the illusory nature of reality, the interconnectedness of all matter, and the spiritual life behind everything.

Don't be so quick to downplay someone else's experiences.

The definition of "true" enlightenment is subjective. As is everything in this reality.

Which is one of the biggest points I've realized in my path to enlightenment. No matter what you tell me about something, I will believe that which I will believe.

As far as I'm concerned... *this* could be MY true enlightenment.

...

It's when we start telling people how things should be that we fall into patterns of behavior and control.

I don't play that game.

:)
 
Enlightenment is looking at anything and seeing yourself. When that is happening, you are enlightend.
 
Life's experiences enlightens us and disgusts us at the same time. To become enlighten is knowing the difference. Perhaps you think it's a quantum leap forward in our conscious evolution to catalyze a new way of thinking, deeper? Actually it's way more than that...being able to adjust a time and place. Extremely rear occurrence, most likely achieved by terrible circumstances.
 
asmodeus256 said:
Don't be so quick to downplay someone else's experiences.

The definition of "true" enlightenment is subjective. As is everything in this reality.
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Originally posted by killarava2day
Which is cool, it's not exactly something one can quantify, but my idea of "enlightenment"...
 
I dont think enlightment is subjective, there are many associated characteristics with it, that define it as a certain state of awareness. Though there are many states to be had out there.
 
i just did
7 hours ago
thanks to ayahuasca

it came instantaneously
i felt how the universe had popped into existence
for no reason
it just did
it "chose" to exist
as awkward as it might seem, it came to me so obviously evident
so evident and so simple
the universe just started to exist
nothing existed before. no time, no space, no matter
how the fuck can i explain what seems so illogical but that i felt so strongly and obviously that i am entirely convinced by it?

i felt the universe creating its own rules
i felt i...we... are the universe
"we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively"
i had thought about it before, but today i understood it... i felt it
we're just like flowers on a tree. we can live and die, but we're just a part of the tree
if we die, it's the same as a cell dying in your body.. the body still lives

i was the universe opening its eyes, creating itself and becoming self aware
the universe is a newborn, slowly awakening
i felt like a baby universe opening its eyes was the first time
i cried from the realization

i've had a thousand thoughts racing through my head. most are hard to explain, they are "felt" rather than understood
i'm too tired to go on, but i looked for this thread because i really wanted to share :)
 
there seems to be some confusion on the buddhist's using the word self. enlightenment is not psychological suicide, your freudian ego is not destroyed. Anatman, or not self, is rejecting the hindu idea of a soul, a permeanant self to which experience is happening, experience doesn't refer back to anyone. Thus, it is empty, changing, impermenant phenomena. in regards to buddhism, it is a very logical religion. the latter sects. like mahayana are pretty far out, tibetan buddhism in perticular. the book of the dead is pretty wild.
 
enlightenment... is that related to bluelightenment in anyway? and what is en? perhaps en is like english, which would make it more to do with communication, which would then mean that enlightenment would be complete openness and ability to communicate all feelings, emotions, thoughts perfectly to one another...
hmm... sounds more like Evolution of conciousness to me, so i'm probably wrong.
 
honesly....if you are truely enlightened...you're not attached to posting at a forum everyday...sorry its the truth.The fact that you even try to argue this concept means you're not.
 
true enough. but this thread is about finding enlightenment. i have found it.

but sometimes i forget where i put it last.

and then i have to find it all over again...
 
honesly....if you are truely enlightened...you're not attached to posting at a forum everyday...sorry its the truth.The fact that you even try to argue this concept means you're not.
according to what you're saying, you're not enlightened, or you wouldn't be posting here

but since you haven't found enlightenment, how can you know what it means/how it feels/what you'd be attached to do?




it's pretty much the opposite that i felt with my recent experience
it was so amazing that i digged out this thread because i had to tell someone (preferably someone who would take it seriously). it was too mindblowing to keep it for myself

i even have told my parents, who are divorced and live in another country that i'd like to talk to them together about something when i'll be visiting them next week...
 
vegan said:
according to what you're saying, you're not enlightened, or you wouldn't be posting here

but since you haven't found enlightenment, how can you know what it means/how it feels/what you'd be attached to do?

Perhaps due to some enlightening experience? But then what do you call this experience?
 
As my understanding, when Buddha attained enlightenment, he remembered all of his past lives and could see his state of spiritual evolution.
 

it's pretty much the opposite that i felt with my recent experience


Wait.. I think enlightenment was once it happens it stays with you. Or did you have a "moment of clarity"?
 
K, just read your post vegan.

May I pick your brain about your enlightenment experience? :)
 
honesly....if you are truely enlightened...you're not attached to posting at a forum everyday...sorry its the truth.The fact that you even try to argue this concept means you're not.

Why can't you post at a forum if you're enlightened?
 
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