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anyone actually found enlightenment?

I feel like finding a constant state of clarity (presuming thats a step to enlightenment) is almost an impossible affair due to the emotional fluctuation we all experience.
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Yes, it took me a couple of years to decide that it's not a state of clarity you can hold onto. I've found that the only way to make real progress is to let your faults/ego/muddiness fully into your consciousness, to fully accept it (not act on it necessarily... there can be some pretty ugly stuff in there.) It's slow, and almost by definition some of these steps will be psychologically excruciating (or we would have taken them by now) but it produces progress.
 
Molybdenum said:
Yes, it took me a couple of years to decide that it's not a state of clarity you can hold onto. I've found that the only way to make real progress is to let your faults/ego/muddiness fully into your consciousness, to fully accept it (not act on it necessarily... there can be some pretty ugly stuff in there.) It's slow, and almost by definition some of these steps will be psychologically excruciating (or we would have taken them by now) but it produces progress.
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I like this! I agree! There may be another kind of enlightenment, but I have never met anyone who was that. I do know about 3 people personally who are really doing what your post described.:)
 
David said:
and meditation is for monks, not those, that are in the lower classes, or working classes in American culture.
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8)

Once we have perceived the mystical experience, the experience of oneness with the universe, instead of a separate entity... it is up to us to cultivate that sense of oneness through tools such as meditation, or anything one chooses to use...

For me, enlightenment is being able to transcend into oneness with everything that is... to be able to gain energy from the Source, instead of sucking energy from others and allowing others to suck energy from me. For me, this feeling is happening more often, slowly becoming more rememberable. If I can master remembering the feeling of oneness, than I have transcended into enlightenment.
 
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Yes. I have found enlightenment. I spent years diligently studying buddhist texts and meditating constantly at a monastery high in the mountains of Tibet. I travelled around the world talking with many wise men and women, and took from these conversations whatever knowledge and wisdom i could.

Finally, after years of searching, i returned home, still not having found enlightenment. I was bitterly disappointed, and even contemplated suicide. Then one day, when it seemed things could get no worse, i found it. It had been lying under my bed the whole time.
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
Do you base this on the fact that you are enlightened according to your statements above, or is this just a best guess?
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Its based on my own personal experience with ego death and what comes next. There is so much more I do believe it is the purpose of your existance. I did a post a while back with my experience, just do a search for my nick and the word reality. The main problem though is to stop messing with the ego and just be prepared to let go, to truly see. Wierd shit but it works. I dont think you need a mountain top or anything else, just to realise whats within.
 
Enlightenment is a state you reach and never come back from. It's not just a moment of clarity, or a "great understanding".

There's nothing wrong with posting on a forum on your computer. You're just not enlightened.
 
I dunno about enlightenment myself... I think it's something we all reach for-in our own ways. No matter what lifestyle that we choose-somehow we are all still reaching for the same thing.
 
Hell no.

I think you're a fucking tool if you claim to have 'found enlightenment'.. LOL!!! What gives you that certainty?

It's almost laughable. I like the fact I know still have much to learn, because it means I'm open to learning more.
 
Buddhists say that anyone who finds enlightenment will inevitably reject it because they know that no-one can attain enlightment until we all do because we are all one, ultimately. These people return to earth and dedicate their existance to helping the rest of us transcend samsara, they are called bodhisattva's.
 
Someone who has attained enlightenment generally does not say so.

I like the quote from The Matrix:

Being enlightened is like being in love...

I like to think an enlightened person is like the sun .. only the light shines from the inside.

Let the sunshine IN %)
 
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If you look for enlightenment you might not find it, as it is everpresent in our mind. It knows no words.

But, if I had to butcher such a state of mind with language, I would say: It is one's silence. It is one's peace and contentment with the universal organism. It is not limited to scale. It is one's localized universal presence. It is realizing that the universe is your mind. It is transcending one's nature to become pure spirit, pure being in itself.
 
Dyno ,Slaughter and Killarava have expressed essentially the very same thing I feel....:)
If *i* could define enlightenment briefly I would say it is ''the quiet acceptance of what is.''

also...

"Knowing others is wisdom; Knowing the self is enlightenment; Mastering others requires force; Mastering the self needs strength"
~Lao Tzu quotes

The moment of truth, the sudden emergence of a new insight, is an act of intuition. Such intuitions give the appearance of miraculous flushes, or short-circuits of reasoning. In fact they may be likened to an immersed chain, of which only the beginning and the end are visible above the surface of consciousness. The diver vanishes at one end of the chain and comes up at the other end, guided by invisible links.
~Arthur Koestler 1905-1983, Hungarian Born British Writer

Enlightenment must come little by little-otherwise it would overwhelm.
~ Idries Shah



Amen. :)
 
DexterMeth said:
^Nothing. But it does a whole lot of good while one is still alive. It's all the same in the end. :\
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How can you be so sure?

Here is an excerpt taken from The Nectar of Instruction, Krishna Consciousness..

"Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail."

At the time of death, the mind and intelligence of a living entity create the subtle form of a certain type of body for the next life. If the mind suddenly thinks of something not very congenial, one has to take a corresponding birth in the next life. On the other hand, if one can think of KRSNa at the time of death, he can be transferred to the spiritual world, Goloka VRndAvana. This process of transmigration is very subtle; therefore SrIla RUpa GosvAmI advises devotees to train their minds in order that they will be unable to remember anything other than KRSNa.

Similarly, the tongue should be trained to speak only of KRSNa and to taste only kRSNa-prasAda. SrIla RUpa GosvAmI further advises, tiSThan vraje: one should live in VRndAvana or any part of VrajabhUmi. VrajabhUmi, or the land of VRndAvana, is supposed to be eighty-four krozas in area. One kroza equals two square miles. When one makes VRndAvana his residence, he should take shelter of an advanced devotee there. In this way one should always think of KRSNa and His pastimes. This is further elucidated by SrIla RUpa GosvAmI in his Bhakti-rasAmRta-sindhu (1.2.294):

kRSNaM smaran janaM cAsya
preSThaM nija-samIhitam
tat-tat-kathA-rataz cAsau
kuryAd vAsaM vraje sadA

"A devotee should always reside in the transcendental realm of Vraja and always engage in kRSNaM smaran janaM cAsya preSTham, the remembrance of SrI KRSNa and His beloved associates. By following in the footsteps of such associates and by entering under their eternal guidance, one can acquire an intense desire to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
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If I can forget my thinking processes and diminish my ego, returning to my natural state of existance before separation, then I don't know how much more enlightened I could get...
 
I dont think a specific enlightenment is possible. I find it hard to believe there is some state that identical in everyone that can be reached in one way or another. There is no way to know what enlightenment is, comparitively. So as a comparison, lets say LSD is enlightenment, or intelligence, or whatever. At what dose is it really enlightenment. 100ug, 500ug, a lethal dose? You never know where the end of the tunnel is man, and there is no way youve been to the end of the tunnel. The tunnel sides vanish and you are left there standing. Which way to go? You cant see it all.
 
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