Lysergamides Anybody else think that LSA just plain sucks?

[Rexeh]

LSA doesn't suck

LSA in the form of HBWR seeds is great IMHO, I never had a bad experience while tripping on them and I have taken them more than 10 times now, enjoying the trip every time. It is more of a mental trip though, it was my first experience with psychedelics and it was a good +++ experience.

I still remember the intense connection I felt with nature while meditating, like I finally understood that my life was only a small part of nature itself and I could do nothing about my natural surroundings except accept my place in this world if that makes any sense (hard enough for me to describe it in my own language even). This was very humbling to me and allowed me to accept my life with all of its shortcomings. I never expected the seeds to be that strong and I was lucky to have a sitter around otherwise I would have sat there all day enjoying the nice warm weather.

We went fishing on a nice sunny day with me taking the seeds, my friend who has done a lot of drugs was and still is not convinced HBWR seeds are psychoactive in the way Mescaline is.
We brought some Cannabis along with our fishing gear as well as a small radio that seemed to play mostly 60s/70s music during my trip which lasted the entire afternoon. We even catched a nice big carp so in all aspects the day was perfect.

They are powerful enough for a strong mental trip if you have potent seeds, personally I have never taken more than 10 seeds and I never experienced any nausea. My method for taking these seeds is to grind them up into powder and putting the powder into gelcaps, I have chewed them whole but I found grinding them to be the simplest method.

For anyone thinking they suck: find good quality seeds from a good vendor (easy enough in my country) and go outside with some Cannabis. These seeds made me want to take Mescaline and I am interested in DMT as well as mushrooms & LSD because of 8 little seeds.

I think these seeds could use a FAQ so people would have better experiences with LSA, anyone who is interested PM me since it is a good way to start out with psychedelics IMHO.

I am still in the process of writing a trip report of that day but LSA is certainly one of my favorite psychedelics and is worth a try at least. :D

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[cola]

i feel like complete hell, i am having the worst headache of my life , and i am a person wich naturally dosn't have any headaches, i'm still sick, and it's been 2 hrs since i took em, they are shite, i have 10 left but em going to throw them away.
ok so now i am cured of trying natural stuff(well except shrooms) thank all the gods i heard of for chemicals, took a xanax to help me chill the fuck down, i can barely type this

 

[rogan]

The first few hours are always shit, the physical side effects are obvious within 30 minutes but I find the actual trip slowly ramps up, I don't peak until about 4-6 hours after ingestion. Of course you may have just got crap seeds and will feel like shit for the next 8 hours without tripping at all, hope your ok now!

 

[cola]

oh no n4 xnanax later and a lot of mg of k and im pretty euphoric and shit
this is shuch a weir substance i swear....
i want to go out and party, i can see similarities with lsd.,, but god damn i pregfrer the chemical stuff
but this is so god damn interesting, i am trippin right now, and wierd as it may seem i thinking about that leftover DOC from my birthday, but i realie i wouldnt be a good ideea...
i can't believe i took 4 xanax and no blck out, well except for tolerance, wtf..i am still so sober ,,,,
what ghe fuck....this is weird
ut enjoyable

 

[rogan]

The seeds although quite mentally sedating are very physically stimulating, would take some serious benzo consumption to overcome it. Did you find the xanax made the bodyload any better? Last time I tried 12.5mg of Doxylamine but I think it just made it worse.

 

[cola]

i took the xaax and it made me more sedated psysically, but mentally im stilll active

i'm just hoping for this to be finally over, so i can go back tyo noramlity
it's too strong and mental

and the most fucked up thing of all is my hart is racing altough i took 4mg xanax wtf, i shoul be comatose sleeeping by now...
i am going mentally ot all different laces and memories...

strange feelings and it's been 8 fuckinn hrs it shouuld be over

 

[Xorkoth]

Not true... LSA lasts over 8 hours. Like 8-12. You'll probably feel remnants for 16 hours.

 

[rogan]

I've been on these forums long enough to know that mixing LSA with meth probably isn't a good combination, but a friend is keen on trying it - I know its dangerous but can anyone explain why? Is it just because meth is strong stimulant while LSA is a powerful vasoconstrictor? Ignoring the obvious of being tweaked while your body feels poisoned

 

[Mjäll]

The seeds although quite mentally sedating are very physically stimulating, would take some serious benzo consumption to overcome it. Did you find the xanax made the bodyload any better? Last time I tried 12.5mg of Doxylamine but I think it just made it worse.

To me they are physically sedating and mentally stimulating.

 

[Shambles]

^ I mostly concur. Although the immense euphoria of HBWR tends to make me feel more energetic than I actually feel... that makes no sense, does it. Bollocks, I know what I meant... I think .

Still don't understand this bodyload thing though, but I do appear to be in a small minority. Are you people sure your seeds haven't been coated with something? I've never felt remotely uncomfortable on HBWR. Quite the opposite in fact - they make me feel great .

 

[Mjäll]

^ I've bought mine from a smartdrug vendor and not from a regular shop, so I'm pretty sure they haven't been coated.

 

[Shambles]

They seem to be quite variable in quality even in smartshops, I find, but probably not coated. Perhaps my body chemistry just likes them .

It's also worth pointing out to anyone who is unaware (and I'm sure it's been mentioned plenty time before) that you need to chiv the fuzzy crap off of the outside of the seeds (I find they are often still quite furry) as it is this part that causes the unpleasant side effects .

 

[rogan]

To me they are physically sedating and mentally stimulating.

Yeah got the two mixed up.

I never scrap the coating, used to when I first started with them - but found it made no difference to the bodyload. I just give them a wash in warm water and dry before grinding them.

I've read so many LSA threads and it just seems that some people will get a worse bodyload than others. Each plant will have different alkaloid ratios with certain alkaloids causing the bodyload. If you find a good source (fresh is a good start) stick to it. I don't if HBWR seed in a particular season, for Aus around now is generally a good time to buy.

To those that don't get a strong body load your very lucky, make the most of a powerful psychedelic that is so easily available and so cheap. For me the seeds that don't give me a bodyload seem more narcotic than psychedelic, still enjoyable though - on 4 now

 

[hexxx]

I've got a supplier for good acid and at the moment 5 HBWR costs me about the same as a very strong dose of acid (you only need 1.. or less), but I prefer the LSA. It's not nearly as psychedelic but the euphoria is off the chart compared to the blotter.

I've got a supplier for good acid ... but I prefer the LSA.

good acid ... prefer LSA.

Actually, found out the acid cost the same as 8 HBWR seeds but these are grown specifically for eating, my source is a plant entheogen specialist. They are probably much cheaper at the nurseries but not as potent and are probably full of insecticides and other nasty chemicals.

I did acid last weekend (because I hadn't in a long while, like 2 years, and was thinking about your response) and I was thoroughly disappointed, would have preferred the seeds. It wasn't really weak stuff, one guy (38 year old with years of drug taking under his belt) freaked the fuck out from half a blotter and had a bad trip towards the end (but that was because he had to go home and act sober in front of his gf). I took almost 2 and didn't really feel it that much except I lost a lot of shit from being trashed (cigarettes, lighter, playing with everything, etc) but I didn't really feel that euphoric or actually even see that much.

I reiterate that I prefer the seeds. It may be because I'm on a shit load of other drugs at the moment and they are synergising in some strange way. I was decreasing the amount of tramadol I was using before taking the seeds and was getting hectic brain zaps. When the HBWR trip started, it felt like one long brain zap beginning and culminated in 4-6 hrs of intense euphoria and minor low grade visuals. My eyes were actually watering uncontrollably from pleasure (I can't describe why and NO I wasn't crying ).

I theorize that it somehow helped to modulate the serotonin levels that the SSRI component of the tramadol was screwing with. I've ordered a shite load more of the seeds, I'll post my second batch of results, it might have been something else affecting why I had such a good experience first time.

Drugs that I take daily that may have affected me:
Lyrica
Clonazepam
Tramadol (50mg x 3 daily previously had been 100mg x 3 and abused)
Cardura and an ACE Inhibitor I can't think of (for chronic high blood pressure - kept it well below 140/80 - I measured during the trip)
Fentanyl (Yeah this is a biggy, probably why I enjoyed the body load - my dosage is such that I don't really feel it any more)

 

[lucid scream]

nevermind

 

[vegan]

To me they are physically sedating and mentally stimulating.

yes, that's what i read many times

but for me, it was physically overstimulating (still very enjoyable, but close to the "too much" limit)
much more than any stimulants
(well, i did take 20 grams of morning glory seeds which is not a low dose)

 

[hexxx]

Second attempt. It's got something to do with taking Tramadol and brain zaps. Definitely affected by opiates, I don't think I'd do it without opiates. I ate 4 seeds, not the intense pleasure I felt with the first trip but similar. The feeling's there but it's more "numb". I took a large dose of Tramadol earlier, it's numbing the trip a bit for sure.

I like these things though, they definitely don't suck. I can honestly say they give me more euphoria than acid, especially on opiates. There's definitely an interaction or some sort of synergy between the 2. Not a mind fuck but a nice experience. I'm peaking round about now, just spoke to one of the directors of the company I work with about graphing data from remote engineering equipment on a website, went perfectly! LOL. Low dose, but still, hehe.

I want a nice acid trip for some introspection, something these things definitely don't do.

EDIT: made more understandable.

 

[Mjäll]

I want a nice acid trip for some introspection, something these things definitely don't do.

What you're doing now is equivalent to like half a hit of acid (with opiates) and that wouldn't lend itself well to introspection either.

Take 15 seeds with no opiates and tell me you're not introspective!

 

[hexxx]

LOL. Weekend!

Can't stop opiates for another 4-6 months, unfortunately. But (un)surprisingly I'm not really feeling any pain at the moment.

I don't think I'd be able to speak to my boss on 15 seeds. Although it would be quite funny.

EDIT: Do you think I've built tolerance if I had to do it in another 4 days?

 

[amor fati]

^no