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El_Toro said:
Hawaain Baby Woodrose... contains something like 20 times more LSA per seed than Morning Glory (MG).
Lysergamides Anybody else think that LSA just plain sucks?
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Hawaain Baby Woodrose... contains something like 20 times more LSA per seed than Morning Glory (MG).
To me it sounds like the OP botched (to a mild degree) the extraction... either that or you just didn't take enough of it! LSA can be amazing.
Beenhead
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I just crushed my seeds up with a blender and put them in a milkshake
Zarathaster
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I havent tried HBWR, but my tincture was very carefully prepared. Ground up an oz of seeds in a coffee grinder, soaked in naptha for 24h,and then soaked in everclear for 24h(shaking routinely). All of this was done in m closet so no heat/light. I didnt experience any side effects so the removal of the supposedly undesirable polar soluble & alcohol non-soluble compounds was seemingly successful. Just seems that there wasnt enough LSA, or that the extraction process destroyed most of it. Im leaning towards the latter since we're talking about a 750 seed dose here. That should certainly be enough.
Anyways, the responses I got were thought provoking enough so that I'm gonna go ahead and give no-extraction HBWR a try. Thanks for your responses.
Anyways, the responses I got were thought provoking enough so that I'm gonna go ahead and give no-extraction HBWR a try. Thanks for your responses.
trancedeviate
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I used to get shit for this, but LSA is what really sparked me onto psychedelics. They are NOT worthless drugs. They are invaluable.
I had tried mushrooms a couple times, smoked weed and the like - It was great, I loved it, but I didn't really have my doors blown off until that FIRST time when we had some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds... and I'm talking something monumental here. Those fucking seeds blasted me and 2 other friends into a dimension of pure euphoria and happiness, just all out trippiness - easily unparalleled by my subsequent 100+ trips. I've done all the usuals - these seeds measure up for sure. And by the way, this was like a 10 seeds dose we're talking about here, I could NEVER imagine people eating 24 seeds, and someone else posted saying they ate 100!!! You're going to die (seriously) if you keep doing that, the seeds have glycosamines (sp) in them, which are toxic.
Also when you're tripping on it you notice how it hurts to walk, because it constricts your blood vessels, man, 100 seeds must be terrible for you... Jesus.
Anyway after that first breakthrough trip on the seeds I was, for better or worse, a tripper for life. I'm sure you guys can relate to the trip which really set you on your way.. pure awe and wonder.
I had tried mushrooms a couple times, smoked weed and the like - It was great, I loved it, but I didn't really have my doors blown off until that FIRST time when we had some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds... and I'm talking something monumental here. Those fucking seeds blasted me and 2 other friends into a dimension of pure euphoria and happiness, just all out trippiness - easily unparalleled by my subsequent 100+ trips. I've done all the usuals - these seeds measure up for sure. And by the way, this was like a 10 seeds dose we're talking about here, I could NEVER imagine people eating 24 seeds, and someone else posted saying they ate 100!!! You're going to die (seriously) if you keep doing that, the seeds have glycosamines (sp) in them, which are toxic.
Also when you're tripping on it you notice how it hurts to walk, because it constricts your blood vessels, man, 100 seeds must be terrible for you... Jesus.
Anyway after that first breakthrough trip on the seeds I was, for better or worse, a tripper for life. I'm sure you guys can relate to the trip which really set you on your way.. pure awe and wonder.
Pretty_Diamonds
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All my MG trips were HORRIBLE. Ugh.
But my HBWR experience was the most spiritual experience, I've ever experience, it was just....amazing.
But my HBWR experience was the most spiritual experience, I've ever experience, it was just....amazing.
Beenhead
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^ I wonder why that is, they both are known for crappy Side effects. HBWR more go due to the outer coating. (cyanide compounds)
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^ It's relatively easy to remove the coating of 10 HBWR seeds as opposed to 300 MG seeds. Plus, I haven't tried MGs, but I've found that the horrible side effects are not the result of each and every HBWR trip, even from the same batch. Go figure.
tass4243
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I got so sick the first time trying MG seeds, I was a complete noob at this whole psychedelic thing. All we did was ground them up, throw them in some kool-aid and down it went...Fucking nastiest tasting shit. Just the thought of chugging 300-400 of those seeds still makes me gag. I know I did it all wrong though. Good trip though, was my first "real" trip, even though it was somewhat weak. Still got to see patterns and shit.
Still haven't gotten to try HBWR, but I plan on doing it some day I figure. 5 seeds sounds a hell of a lot better then 300...
Still haven't gotten to try HBWR, but I plan on doing it some day I figure. 5 seeds sounds a hell of a lot better then 300...
rogan
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My advice to the OP is to try them without doing any form of an extraction. I have done so many extractions and the only extractions that actually got rid of the nausea also got rid of the trip.
If you have never tried MG or HBWR by themselves you may be surprised, some get very bad nausea/cramping - myself I get most of the nausea in the first hour or two, then after that it fades to something that if you keep yourself occupied you don't even notice its there.
If you have never tried MG or HBWR by themselves you may be surprised, some get very bad nausea/cramping - myself I get most of the nausea in the first hour or two, then after that it fades to something that if you keep yourself occupied you don't even notice its there.
Zarathaster
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OK, three things.
First: To all the people who recommended that I try HBWR sans extraction instead of MGs: Thank you. LSA is absolutely a worthwhile substance.
Second: Question, I mixed it with a couple other stuff, mostly opiates and diphenhydramine (low dose, just for the itch) and I wanted to ask about the nature of the experience to see if the other psychoactive perhaps changed my experience from the "pure LSA experience" I guess Ill just describe my exp and hopefully somebody can chime in on whether it was the same sort of thing for them too.
For me, it was significantly different from other psychedelics that ive tried in that most "headtrip" psychedelics (as opposed to empathogens and disassociatives; mind-expanding would be another way to put it) have been experiences akin to a crazy maelstrom of thoughts and insights. Like for a few hours you become a wise madman of sorts. This was particularly true of shrooms. I tend to think of shrooms as a mental rollercoaster and LSD as the same rollercoaster but with a pause button(I hope that makes sense to some people). But LSA for me was more like the presence of a door to dreamland. Like you have the option of drifting off into very vivid daydreams while never falling asleep, or losing the ability to just open your eyes whenever you want to. Does this vibe with other people's experiences? I'm thinking that the opiates might have caused alot of the daydreamy feeling?
And thirdly, and this one is important: Jeff Beck's "Who Else!" album is the shiiiit.
First: To all the people who recommended that I try HBWR sans extraction instead of MGs: Thank you. LSA is absolutely a worthwhile substance.
Second: Question, I mixed it with a couple other stuff, mostly opiates and diphenhydramine (low dose, just for the itch) and I wanted to ask about the nature of the experience to see if the other psychoactive perhaps changed my experience from the "pure LSA experience" I guess Ill just describe my exp and hopefully somebody can chime in on whether it was the same sort of thing for them too.
For me, it was significantly different from other psychedelics that ive tried in that most "headtrip" psychedelics (as opposed to empathogens and disassociatives; mind-expanding would be another way to put it) have been experiences akin to a crazy maelstrom of thoughts and insights. Like for a few hours you become a wise madman of sorts. This was particularly true of shrooms. I tend to think of shrooms as a mental rollercoaster and LSD as the same rollercoaster but with a pause button(I hope that makes sense to some people). But LSA for me was more like the presence of a door to dreamland. Like you have the option of drifting off into very vivid daydreams while never falling asleep, or losing the ability to just open your eyes whenever you want to. Does this vibe with other people's experiences? I'm thinking that the opiates might have caused alot of the daydreamy feeling?
And thirdly, and this one is important: Jeff Beck's "Who Else!" album is the shiiiit.
Zarathaster
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no extract. just ground them up and ate them. I had a bit of fisheye and some nausea (puked once by the end of the trip), but nothing unbearable. I think a purge is to be expected with LSA seeds, no?
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Xorkoth
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Glad to hear you found its potential! 
The best method I've found for consuming LSAs is to chew up a slightly higher-end dose of HBWR seeds very finely and swish them around in your mouth for a good long time, and then spit it out (I did do after an hour, although less is probably perfectly adequate). With 10 seeds with this method, I had zero nausea, extremely minimal vasoconstriction/cramping (only appeared if I was unmoving for a long period of time), and an overall euphoric and fantastic time. There was no bodyload whatsoever... in fact, it was decided [n]NOT[/b] a "load"... I welcomed it and would welcome its return at any time!
The best method I've found for consuming LSAs is to chew up a slightly higher-end dose of HBWR seeds very finely and swish them around in your mouth for a good long time, and then spit it out (I did do after an hour, although less is probably perfectly adequate). With 10 seeds with this method, I had zero nausea, extremely minimal vasoconstriction/cramping (only appeared if I was unmoving for a long period of time), and an overall euphoric and fantastic time. There was no bodyload whatsoever... in fact, it was decided [n]NOT[/b] a "load"... I welcomed it and would welcome its return at any time!
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Perfectly freedom oriented,
And cheap, too!
And cheap, too!
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LSA in my opinion, Is no good what-so-ever If you want a good trip as it does lack.
However LSA in a club/party usually does quite well. I would always take other stuffs as well.
In a nutshell,,,, A bit Shit.
However LSA in a club/party usually does quite well. I would always take other stuffs as well.
In a nutshell,,,, A bit Shit.
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I have tried it a few times. Once I ground up 8 seends and soaked in wine vinager for 2 days, filtered and drank. Had realy bad body load, sweated realy bad and stomach cramps. I did have a decent trip, mild visuals, but could not get past hte terible cramps and sweating.
Second time I soaked 6 ground seads in water, straind and drank. Again I experience realy bad body load. Stomach cramps, sweat and flue like symptoms. The trip was very lite and no visuals.
Third time I just sanded off the outer layer of 7 seeds and chewed the seed. Way less boady load, no sweating problems, less stomach problems. But the trip was very lite. No visualys and only some minor time distortion.
I think I am pretty much done with these although I might give it a try again. Next time I will just grind up 12 seeds and hold them under my tongue for an hour. See what happens.
Fry for Life
Second time I soaked 6 ground seads in water, straind and drank. Again I experience realy bad body load. Stomach cramps, sweat and flue like symptoms. The trip was very lite and no visuals.
Third time I just sanded off the outer layer of 7 seeds and chewed the seed. Way less boady load, no sweating problems, less stomach problems. But the trip was very lite. No visualys and only some minor time distortion.
I think I am pretty much done with these although I might give it a try again. Next time I will just grind up 12 seeds and hold them under my tongue for an hour. See what happens.
Fry for Life
I've successfully tripped around 15g of MGS, nothing but color flashing and the tripping mindset. At 30g of seeds, I was pinned to my chair, staring in awe at my wall, my room illuminated like a disco.
I've also eaten the flowers, to see if alkaloids I desire were in greater form there. To my dismay, All i got was a nice rolling buzz, next to nothing for visuals, on 40 flowers.
It seems as if you can only go soo far on Morning Glory. It's more of a entrancing plant, than a hallucinogen.
I've also eaten the flowers, to see if alkaloids I desire were in greater form there. To my dismay, All i got was a nice rolling buzz, next to nothing for visuals, on 40 flowers.
It seems as if you can only go soo far on Morning Glory. It's more of a entrancing plant, than a hallucinogen.