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Any vegetarians out there?

I think giving up on land animals is easy. I did that no problem. I'm currently trying not so successfully to give up dairy. It's super hard to quit dairy - so many meals are traditionally topped/filled with a layer of cheese, so many snack foods are cheese flavored, etc.

I would never stop eating seafood though, it's too damn healthy and delicious. Especially seafood that's not high on the food chain, so it's not loaded with too much mercury.
 
jam uh weezy said:
The marketing ingredient fallacy is more common than you think.

"Natural" means NOTHING. They can use the term "Natural Flavoring" to disguise damn near anything.
"Free range" that could imply they let the chickens out and walk around for maybe only 30-60 mins a day.
It goes on and on.
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Yeah Ive heard free range means nothing, but that "cage free" is what to buy. I usually buy cage free, hopefully they actually are..I dunno. Whatever, I do all I can.
 
Coolio said:
I think giving up on land animals is easy. I did that no problem. I'm currently trying not so successfully to give up dairy. It's super hard to quit dairy - so many meals are traditionally topped/filled with a layer of cheese, so many snack foods are cheese flavored, etc.

I would never stop eating seafood though, it's too damn healthy and delicious. Especially seafood that's not high on the food chain, so it's not loaded with too much mercury.
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right on
 
Since this is a drug forum, I thought I'd mention that dairy contains metabolites that act on your opiate receptors. You think it's a coincidence that dairy is soooooo good?
 
>>Since this is a drug forum, I thought I'd mention that dairy contains metabolites that act on your opiate receptors.>>

It is my understanding that caseomorphine and the like cannot cross the blood brain barrier in most individuals...besides, i really like opioids. I don't remember dairy being THAT good. :)

ebola
 
^^ The concentration is supposedly not that strong. Likened to 1/10th of morphine. Of course, where's the research? Who knows.

If it is, then it is weak, but still more of a reinforcer than any other given food (gluten and nicotine-containing plants aside)
 
I've been several kinds of vegetarian the past 5-6 years, getting progressively vegan, and now almost 100% vegan (save for the occasional cupcake or something).

I just feel overall better now, more predisposed to making more healthful choices not out of willpower but because I know it's good for my body.

I also try to stay away from processed food (even vegan ones like "cheese" or packed milks).

Anyway I'd just like to vent that I've been getting a lot of shit from meat-eaters lately. I never meddle with other people's food (my dad and bf eat meat regularly), but it seems that a number have chosen to take an aggressive and condescending stance against vegetarians of late.

It's like someone mentions I'm vegetarian and another person gets semi-upset and says that vegetarians are fussy, complain about little things, think so highly of themselves, etc. Then they tell me what to eat. This is all before I say even one word! It's annoying... I'm not in their business, grrr they should stay out of mine.
 
congrats dtergent on doing so fine, keep it up and kick those cupcakes and you will be 100 percent vegan...not so hard as I am only veg and I know cupcakes don't even get near my diet!
Just in terms of all the readily available processed veg foods I have to be the total hippy and say that the best nutrition is available from making it yourself, even true for non vego's.
:)
And in terms of others caring about what you put in your mouth, well they aren't you so don't worry about them and if they worry you just point out that you don't tell them what to eat and leave it as that, it eventually becomes a non issue if you make it one.
:)
 
>>The concentration is supposedly not that strong. Likened to 1/10th of morphine. >>

Does this mean that caseomorphine has 1/10 the potency of morphine by weight? How much would we expect there to be in a few ounces of cheese?

>>If it is, then it is weak, but still more of a reinforcer than any other given food >>

But if it doesn't cross the BBB, this is all for naught, making dairy about as reinforcing as immodium (excepting the fact that it tastes good to a lot of people).

ebola
 
Although I am by no means strict, when the choice of what to eat is up to me, I am definitely pisco-vegetarian.

I never got into the whole animal-rights thing, but I find that avoiding meat, especially red meat and anything with blood in it, makes me less depressive/bitchy and a much better person overall (so you actually start caring about the pain an animal experiences).

Getting "unused" to chicken took a while, but now I can clearly go forever withot chicken if it weren't offered to me.

I don't overindulge in dairy (except sour cream, I LOVE sour cream), and I simply wouldn't be able to give it up.

I am strict in that I never let myself eat any meat other than seafood.

I am not strict in that I will compromise once or twice if it is a cultural thing. Due to my involvement with people from all over Asia and my interest in central-asian cultures, it is considered rude for one not to eat meat when offered in a few of these cultures.

What I do avoid is any kind of nerve (marrow, brain, basically), blood, eyes, and really any viscera. I will straight out tell the person that such will make me vomit and I will not partake so that I don't offend them ;) Needless to say, if I'm in the middle east and I'm invited to a big feast, I will always check if they are Bedouine (desert nomads)... it is considered honourable amongst these people to offer the guest a cooked goat's head.... :D
 
ive read that veggies have better endurance and energy levels then meat eaters because they dont waste any energy on harder-to-digest meat products.
 
Jamshyd said:
Although I am by no means strict, when the choice of what to eat is up to me, I am definitely pisco-vegetarian.

I never got into the whole animal-rights thing, but I find that avoiding meat, especially red meat and anything with blood in it, makes me less depressive/bitchy and a much better person overall (so you actually start caring about the pain an animal experiences).

Getting "unused" to chicken took a while, but now I can clearly go forever withot chicken if it weren't offered to me.

I don't overindulge in dairy (except sour cream, I LOVE sour cream), and I simply wouldn't be able to give it up.

I am strict in that I never let myself eat any meat other than seafood.

I am not strict in that I will compromise once or twice if it is a cultural thing. Due to my involvement with people from all over Asia and my interest in central-asian cultures, it is considered rude for one not to eat meat when offered in a few of these cultures.

What I do avoid is any kind of nerve (marrow, brain, basically), blood, eyes, and really any viscera. I will straight out tell the person that such will make me vomit and I will not partake so that I don't offend them ;) Needless to say, if I'm in the middle east and I'm invited to a big feast, I will always check if they are Bedouine (desert nomads)... it is considered honourable amongst these people to offer the guest a cooked goat's head.... :D
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same here, minus the sour cream :p

I think I'll pick up some tilapia tonight and toss it on the grill.
 
Hehe, well - sour is my favourite of all 6 basic tastes. I have all kinds of Vinager you could imagine, lemon, lime, citurs in general, sour wines... you name it ;)

So it is only natural that I like sour cream, hehe.

The tilapia idea sounds excellent! Have you tried steamed fish, by any chance?
 
ebola? said:
>>The concentration is supposedly not that strong. Likened to 1/10th of morphine. >>

Does this mean that caseomorphine has 1/10 the potency of morphine by weight? How much would we expect there to be in a few ounces of cheese?

>>If it is, then it is weak, but still more of a reinforcer than any other given food >>

But if it doesn't cross the BBB, this is all for naught, making dairy about as reinforcing as immodium (excepting the fact that it tastes good to a lot of people).

ebola
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I'm sorry to have adhered to such thin information. But subjectively speaking, I can definitely "feel" a difference between vegan cheese and cow cheese... FWIW

But I'll be damned if I can find any substantial evidence to suggest this officially. But still, I wonder, why is it in cow's milk to begin with? Milk's primary role physiologically for a baby cow is to create weight gain in a short amount of time. Do the caseomorphines create a small addiction for the calf, possibly to keep the calf from wandering off, to stick close to the mother?

If then, how are the mechanism of a cow parallel to that of a human?
 
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I'm sorry to have adhered to such thin information. >>

No, no. That's like because much of the information really is a bit thin. :)
Now it could be the case that infant humans (or calves) are more responsible to caseomorphine than others. There is some evidence that this is the case for people with autism.

>>Do the caseomorphines create a small addiction for the calf, possibly to keep the calf from wandering off, to stick close to the mother?

If then, how are the mechanism of a cow parallel to that of a human?>>

This could be. Then again, not everything natural has a purpose. Some say intelligent design. I say haphazard design. :)

ebola
 
Dtergent said:
It's like someone mentions I'm vegetarian and another person gets semi-upset and says that vegetarians are fussy, complain about little things, think so highly of themselves, etc. Then they tell me what to eat. This is all before I say even one word! It's annoying... I'm not in their business, grrr they should stay out of mine.
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I SO understand what you mean, and I think most of us do. The veggieboards.com forums are full of threads about dealing with meat eaters and their stupid comments.

Its really ridiculous..people are incredibly stupid. Although it can be amusing at times, for example, someone who survives mainly on potato chips, red meat, and soda, expressing geniuine concern towards me that Im not getting "enough nutrients in my diet". LOL ;)

I have no idea why meat eaters (some, not all of course) seem to be so threatened by us. I think a lot of these people have unconcious, underlying insecurities about who they are, their morals, and how well they take care of themselves. They get insulted by our lifestyle because they think we look down our noses at them (not true, at least not for most of us) and that we think we are "healthier" or "better" or "more moral" than them. I have noticed many people like this, and the stupid comments they make to me (most of which are completely not true and there is no science to back them up) just reek with their insecurity. Often times I dont even bother saying anything back to these people.

Iits absolutely NO ONES place to tell anyone else how to eat unless they ask for diet advice. I cant imagine how angry some junk food eaters I know would get if I nagged them about their unhealthy eating habits, yet none of them seem to think twice about making stupid comments to me about my vegetarianism. I could go on for pages about the idiotic things they say but its anything from "animals dont feel" to "You will die if you dont eat meat".

I feel sorry for these types, honestly. I wouldnt look down on anyone for their diet choices, but I do look down on some peoples actions.
 
Jamshyd said:
...I am definitely pisco-vegetarian.....
...I am not strict in that I will compromise once or twice if it is a cultural thing. Due to my involvement with people from all over Asia and my interest in central-asian cultures, it is considered rude for one not to eat meat when offered in a few of these cultures. ....
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if you compromise at times then you are an omnivore like most people...a pecovegetarian eats no flesh except that of seafood.
And after having lived in Asian cultures I do understand what you say about it being rude refusing food (that is food not just meat) but given the long tradition of vegetarianism in various asian cultures it is quite often easily understood and can be catered to. Many of the asian languages have specific words for the various forms of vegetarianism and they are understood by people in the street even if the reasons for you doing so are not understood as well.
:)
 
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