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any RC's that will allow me to 'break through'

No recommending drugs allowed. DMT is DMT and DMT is not an RC. Check out the PD Index (linky in my sig) for information on a whole range of psyches both RCs and otherwise but keep discussion general cos this thread is very borderline on the "What should I take?" front.
 
Shambles said:
No recommending drugs allowed. DMT is DMT and DMT is not an RC. Check out the PD Index (linky in my sig) for information on a whole range of psyches both RCs and otherwise but keep discussion general cos this thread is very borderline on the "What should I take?" front.
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okay just curious how 5 meo dmt compares to that of dmt from mimosa
 
Not at all really. The other drugs mentioned are not "other DMTs" they but some have DMT as part of their structure. They are all unique but some may have some similarities. Don't really see many similarities myself so wouldn't compare but some drugs are perhaps more likely to bring on a "break through" than others. Kinda depends what you mean by breath through though - 5-MeO-DMT or Salvia, for example, are infamously intense but also infamously unpleasant for many (whilst others find them very valuable). This is why recommending drugs is kinda pointless (as well as being against the site rules) cos you really need to research and make your own mind up.
 
well i'm not asking which drug. all i know is i loved dmt extracted from mimosa. but im not able to do the extraction right now for various reasons. i was wandering if 5-meo-dmt would be a different experience.
 
Yeah, there's nothing all *that* close to a DMT breakthrough that I know of. I hear DPT is pretty similar, but less intense and longer lasting. Some people find 4-aco-dmt trips to be very reminiscent of a DMT breakthrough, but it's longer lasting and a lot of people find it much closer to mushrooms.

If you like DMT, you might also like some of the other substituted DMTs (5-meo-dmt, 4-aco-dmt, etc.), but if you take them expecting something just like a DMT breakthrough you will probably be disappointed. I think you'd be better off researching a few RCs that sound interesting on their own merits if you want to try another psychedelic, rather than basing your search on similarity to DMT, if that makes sense. DMT is wonderful, one of the most unique and rewarding psychedelic experiences for sure, but there's a lot more to psychedelia than that one experience, incredible though it may be, and the more different types of psychedelic experience you have, the more you will come to enjoy and appreciate each individual one, IMHO.
 
op I don't think you understand.

First, theotherside26, 5-MeO-DMT is scheduled and will no longer be sold in the united states. Second, nether 5-MeO-DMT nor 4-AcO-DMT are "DMT", they are different compounds: the first is arguably the strongest of the psychedelics, and the second is the acetate ester of psilocin, the active compound in mushrooms.

Anyway, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-E, 2C-P, 4-AcO-MET, miprocin, iprocin, and DPT are all interesting.
 
Can I ask how the effects of 2C-E are comparable with DMT? I have never got the chance to try good DMT.
 
Yeah, no more than any two 5HT2a psychedelics are like each other. The character of the visuals and body high, and the types of altered thought processes it leads to, are very different. I think theotherside listed it simply because it's one of the RC psychedelics with the best reputation for intense experiences. It's a lot closer to mescaline than DMT.
 
atara said:
First, theotherside26, 5-MeO-DMT is scheduled and will no longer be sold in the united states.
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I dont think 5-meo-dmt is scheduled federally. Last I knew like three states added it to their list of scheduled substances, but I didnt look it up before I posted this.

(And even if it was I'm pretty sure it would still be sold on the rc market ;) )
 
When I hear "breakthrough" I think of a sudden and total separation from normal awareness and replacement with some distinct and radically different type of consciousness. From what I've read smoked or IV MET, IV DPT, and IV 4-AcO-DMT are good candidates for causing a DMT breakthrough-like experience that isn't ego death. I consider ego death one type of "breakthrough" experience, but I don't think ego death is what most people are referring to when they say they have had a "breakthrough" DMT experience. The latter is more like being immersed in strange visions and forgetting one's self in the alien intensity and grandeur of it all rather than the far more explicitly ego and perception of self-directed agency targeted experience of what I call ego death.
 
Actually, know you mention it, IV 4-AcO-DMT is probably the closest thing to DMT I can think of that I've tried. But as I've never quite broken through on DMT (I don't think so anyway - presume I'd know if I had) I can't say it compares. Was way more intense and long-lasting than any time I've smoked DMT but am not all that experienced with DMT. Disgraceful for a PD mod but also true.
 
5-MeO-DMT and DPT freebase are both very similar to DMT when smoked and can lead to similar types of break thru experiences. All 3 have similar time frames and can envelope your senses entirely in a very short amount of time. Smoking 5-MeO-DALT has some similarities to smoking DMT also, but it is not on the same level as a break thru type experience, but the similarities are there.
 
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