Any Atheists here?

[XThexXTank]

Im an atheist. I think religion should be illegal.

 

[rickolasnice]

absolutely. people needed to believe in something bigger than themselves,
and a purpose beyond this fucking life, long before any structured schooling began.
they'd find something else dumb to teach, dear.
of course, there'd be just as many nuts willing to die for some other purpose which allowed them meaning..
there's a reason there are more than 42,000 religions world-wide.
as long as life's a bitch, humans will need something else to put their trust into.

I disagree on all accounts.

I'm not talking about religion never existing (as you seem to be talking about things that would have sprang up in place). We know that evolution by survival of the fittest happens.. The only reason people are disputing it is because it doesn't fit in with religious creation stories. What do you think could come up in place? We have things to learn about, Math, sciences, history, languages, etc, etc.. Creationism only got to being taught in schools because A) Evolution doesn't sit well with creation stories and B) Religion has enabled it to happen by having enough ignorant people believe in the same bullcrap story.

And no. There wouldn't be as many nuts willing to die for another purpose. Where are all the atheists killing themselves in the name of? (aside from depression). It generally doesn't happen.

And yes there is a reason. Religion was an answer to, at the time, un-answerable questions (where we came from, etc). Then it became a tool of control and oppression. DO NOT DO THIS! DEFINITELY DO THIS! DON'T EVEN THINK THIS! THESE PEOPLE ARE LESSER THAN YOU PEOPLE! WORSHIP ME! .. If you don't? Oh you only burn in agonising pain in the most horrible place imaginable.. For eternity.

Telling children this is child abuse.

 

[What 23]

How do you know that God isn't really like that in the end though? Not that you cant choose another, nicer God... But God the one that gets you might be one hell of a beast.

 

[rickolasnice]

We talking about YHVH (Or Yahweh) yeah?

There is no evidence for him (it?) existing. There is very little to no evidence that many (if any) stories within the OT actually happened. Theres so much contradiction within the bible it kinda makes him (it?) impossible.

How do Christians know that Mohammed wasn't the one true prophet? How do Jews know neither Mohammed nor Jesus were prophets? How do any of them know that Vishnu or Rah aren't real Gods?

Because the whole idea of it is absurd.

Plus.. Even if he was real. The OT, Koran or the Torah is good reason as to NOT worship him.

 

[RobotRipping]

The OT is fucked up, i read much of it while high, the stories are hilarious IMO and completely messed up! It's like a window into a schizophrenic mind. The 'Bible" is gay and boring in comparison. The OT laid shit out raw and real and actually has a historical context that is interesting. It's like watching a show on HBO vs ABC family.

I doubt any story in the OT happened, the stories are symbolic in meaning. If someone actually reads that shit and takes it literally they are fucking morons. Same with the bible or any religious text. It's plainly obvious they were written during certain time periods. Read them like any other book.

Vishnu lol, if Vishnu exists i'll laugh forever when i die. If OT GOD Yahweh exists, i'd be legit scared, if Jesus exists, i'd be pissed off. If there's no God, i won't even know it anyway, so that's cool. If there is a God, i hope it's a pantheistic God. I hope death is just like smoking DMT, that feeling of coming home and everyone there is so happy to see that you made it and you feel like you never left!

I dislike how people have to shit on theology because of organized religion. Now we have to wade through all this bullshit about how religion has done so much harm instead of just discussing the possibility of a God. Religion is necessary, even organized religion because there are too many stupid people. Ever notice how there's a huge disparity in people who go to church in terms of wealth and intelligence? yeah, it's a tool of oppression to keep those underprivileged poor or unintelligent people working to support the upper echelon of society. If all those people said, 'fuck it, we're not doing this any more, this is all bullshit' society as we know it would crumble. That'd be great to see but again, people are too stupid to even figure that out (on the whole).

I say 'God bless your dirty soul' when people sneeze, they don't seem to appreciate it lol Before tests at school, i tell everyone that it's in God's hands now as well. My grandmother used to say 'Jesus Fucking Christ' like a tick or something, it was hilarious. It became like one word, Jesufuckrist, after so many years, just something you put on the end of a sentence to add emphasis. Sorry for the lame personal anecdotes lol. I don't know why people get so enraged about religion, go learn all that shit and then use it to fuck with those fundamentalist assholes, provides endless entertainment.

 

[tokenname]

off topic:
as a whole, the united states is shit when it comes to taking care of our own.
i'm currently living in the south and i feel it warrants a mention, that several churches
and religious organizations are the only fundamentalist assholes stepping up to feed, clothe and
house many who otherwise would likely starve, shoeless and homeless.
i'm not a fan of people or religion..
but anyone believing that nothing positive ever comes of faith in a non-existent god
is, in my opinion, just as delusional.
it's a bold step to only believe, in such an uncompromising way, our own limited knowledge and people..
both are so very fucking fallible.

 

[rickolasnice]

Nobody said nothing positive ever comes from religion.

(I know you said off topic, but i can't help but feel that was aimed at me)

 

[What 23]

But when one focuses on how evil it is...

Same with people focusing on how much of an innocent little boy Trayvon Martin was... People will try to balance the view. It doesn't mean their views will be balanced, but you have to understand where it is coming from.

 

[mal3volent]

Nothing good comes from religion that couldn't come from several other places. All thats left is the bad.

 

[8ball1234]

There is no god and that's a fact your brain creates the world around you that's how people have hallucinations there not demons or ghost it's just something ur brain has created
In a sense your brain is god and why people praise schizophrenic so called prophets is beyond me

 

[Droppersneck]

 

[Droppersneck]

 

[What 23]

What

 

[What 23]

Nothing good comes from religion that couldn't come from several other places. All thats left is the bad.

"Religion" is in the natural progression. While it is not a rule that these good spirits come from it, I don't believe it is purely "just coincidence". For any scientist to discount the role of a phenomenon of "religion" in these things and others, is... not... scientific. Uhh. While it is not a rule that it comes from something like this, it is only natural. Humans weren't made out of perfect "health". Religion plays a part in the machine.

 

[rickolasnice]

^ An outdated, unnecessary part of the machine.

It has become vestigial.

 

[What 23]

You have to comprehend (or have an idea as to) its purpose/component (the parts that aren't all bad) before you can decide its no longer useful, or how to move on from it. I don't think its vestigial... just needs to be more based in reality.

We have come a long way, in a sense, from 10 miles away being another land with other Gods, for one.

 

[RobotRipping]

i'd seriously love to see what would happen if religion were just outlawed and could no longer be practiced! Only then you'd see violent militant civil uprisings in NA! If it's one thing humans need as a whole, it is a belief that this isn't all there is. Cause if there's not even that belief there, not even people just pretending it's there just for the sake of it, then everything becomes nihilistic, absurd and meaningless to the masses of people doing your service work/shitty jobs/supporting the hierarchy of society.

If all those people were to wake up and realize what the fuck is happening it'd be the most profound thing in history IMO. I just don't understand why it does not happen? Do the powers at be really have this shit down that well? Is ideology more powerful than a drug? i do believe so.


@token: that's a good point. I think there are good people out there who do genuinely care for others and believe in God but there are many more who will completely manipulate the whole system to get what they want from it, be it political, financial, power, sex, whatever. Organized religion will likely one day be owned by big pharma and finally we'll have a true opiate for the masses.

There is no god and that's a fact your brain creates the world around you that's how people have hallucinations there not demons or ghost it's just something ur brain has created
In a sense your brain is god and why people praise schizophrenic so called prophets is beyond me

that's not even a reasonable argument for anything. Atheists like you are seriously disappointing. That subjective realism (brain = god, or creates reality) contradicts your brain's objective creation of reality in the mind (brain = tool to decipher sensory data).

i don't want to get into that but present a reasonable argument that there is no God and i won't be so quick to call you disappointing or a shame to your fellow Atheists.

re: the evils of organized religion: stay objective here, there's no evil/wrong/right/good those are all things we have created. Things are as they are. If one caveman kills another caveman to secure his rights to reproduce his genetics then that's the way it fucking goes, there's no assigning evil/right/wrong to that action. It's just what happens. Same thing if i get stabbed or shot down randomly by some tweaked out teenager. There is no moral authority to reference to, so there's no way to base whether an action is good or not. You can throw every ethical framework there is out there against that but every single one has a solid objection to it that makes it fail.

if you want to believe organized religion is evil go ahead but it's simply the result of matter and energy transforming and evolving under the principles of this universe, which could not possibly be any other way than it is. My point: it's natural, same point what 23 is making.

don't let your hate of organized religion fuel your Atheism at least.

 

[mal3volent]

^I suppose there might be some truth in your caveman statement, although Im not really sure since back in those days there was no such thing as monogamy. Females were just sperm receptacles, and there were plenty of them, so I'm pretty sure anyone could have found any number of ways to reproduce if they were so inclined. Only in certain specific situations would men have competed in that way...to the point of killing off another strong provider for the group. At least, thats my theory. I haven't done any kind of research to verify what I've said. I can only assume that primitive humans, being social creatures, would have valued their groups collective strength over their own individual interests.

However killing someone randomly is objectively wrong. Even from just an evolutionary standpoint.

The moral authority atheists answer to is ourselves. Are you one that believes there can be no morality without god?

 

[XThexXTank]

Religion is a tool used to control the masses. Karl Marx said that. Its aint nothin more than a multi billion dollar operation. That aint the reason why im an atheist though.

^How is killin someone objectively wrong? Morals an laws put into place to have murder outlawed are there only because we gotta have a functioning society. There is no such thing as 'morals'. Its an illusion set in place by religion an society. When ya think about it there is nothin right or wrong its all based on bias views on whether somethin is ok to do in our society.

 

[rickolasnice]

Are you one that believes there can be no morality without god?

Aye I couldn't work that out from his post (he's sleep deprived verging on psychosis and possibly under the influence of psychedelics)

Cause if there's not even that belief there, not even people just pretending it's there just for the sake of it, then everything becomes nihilistic, absurd and meaningless to the masses of people doing your service work/shitty jobs/supporting the hierarchy of society.

Bullshit.

Religion is a tool used to control the masses. Karl Marx said that. Its aint nothin more than a multi billion dollar operation. That aint the reason why im an atheist though.

^How is killin someone objectively wrong? Morals an laws put into place to have murder outlawed are there only because we gotta have a functioning society. There is no such thing as 'morals'. Its an illusion set in place by religion an society. When ya think about it there is nothin right or wrong its all based on bias views on whether somethin is ok to do in our society.

Nope I'm sorry but you are wrong. Morals are an evolutionary necessity required for the human race to have survived / done so well. They are as real as happiness or anger.

Reasonless murder, for example, just doesn't happen (outside of a minority of psychopaths) because humans evolved to live better in a you scratch my back i'll scratch yours, kinda way. Which of course needed to be backed up by emotion. Hello empathy.