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anti-rape devices

Please explain to me how aborting rape babies will prevent rape from happening in the first place, how decriminalizing rape will lower the occurrences, how you propose to understand why each rape happens without questioning those involved.
Please explain this, as I currently see no merit to such ridiculous proposals.
 
DeathDomokun said:
Please explain this, as I currently see no merit to such ridiculous proposals.
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Sex is to make a baby. Sex is to pass on our genes. We get pleasure from sex to induce us to have children and pass on our genes even if we consciously do not want children. That pleasure in sex and its various scenarios are determined by the only thing that can determine it GENES.

Rape is sex. Rape is to make a babby and then not have to care for it and various other benefits. Rape is not a deviation from the norm as most men once raped if we go back a ways in time generally during war. Most men today would rape women in similar circumstances.

I repeat rape is not an abberation it is the norm it is natural. Rape is also immoral as it is harmful without consent. Natural does not equal good. Lions eating humans is natural but not good.

We wish to retain sex but exterminate rape altogether. HOW? What would you suggest? Nothing tried so far has eliminated rape.

My suggestion would be to eliminate the rewards for rape behaviour and allowing natural selection to remove the genes that mean men see rape in of itself (not the sexual component) as a turn on. With this 'rape gene' now not a benefit but a detriment this would take some time but it would be permanent and stop ALL RAPE FOREVER.

Main benefit is baby making. Therefore abort all rape babies. Sterilize all rapists. Eliminate rape. Eventually.





Now for the other matter of decriminalizing rape (also burgulary robbery so on all except natively violent crimes like murder itself). Right now a rapist (in places) gets a similar or same sentence as a murderer. Any rapist who doesnt kill his victim increases his chance of capture. Therefore, logically (if not humanely) a peverse incentive is for the rapist to murder the victim. The law causes murder as it currently stands.

If we sentence rapists in fact all criminals based on the amount of harm they cause then youll create incentive to when they commit crimes to minimize the harms they cause and therefore their punishments. Such things as mandatory sentencing for minor crimes increases the harms (for the victims) of minor crimes like shoplifting or drug use and also rape. Clearly rape with a condom and without violence is a better outcome than rape without a condom and with violence (and maybe death at the end).

This is borne out that treating weed smokers as criminals makes it more likely that already criminals they will then engage in other criminal behaviors and harder drugs.

This is plain logic.

As for implementation Id say that the responsable rapist for a first offence who comes forward should get no jailtime or sex offender status but merely treatment including compulsory sterilization and monitoring. From there the punishment graduates in steps.




Removing the incentive to rape by killing rape babies will eventually eliminate rape.

Removing the incentive to commit a larger crime which carries the same or similar enough punishment to a smaller initial crime will reduce rates of offending simply as the rapist will have committed the crime of rape but not murder (so on) and so only half the number (in that example) of crimes is committed and ALSO the harms from crimes are reduced.



Thats my idea.

Does anyone have any plan or idea to eliminate rape from society and reduce its harms.


PS teaching women to fight back can work. It also may not work. It also may just push the rape off onto some other less able woman not reducing the number of rapes overall. One must prevent rapes being initiated OR EVEN DESIRED. It shoudnt be up to the victim to defend themselves society needs to solve it not the victim.



Response???
 
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Dr Pepper said:
How about not put yourself in "rapey" situations?
Not getting plastered would be a start.. maybe not dressing provocatively when you're in a "hot" zone (high incidence of rape).
<snip> /pukes
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Victim blame much?

just because you are not in control of your actions and rape somebody does not make you a rapist.
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Double standard.

Blood pressure rising.

/facepalm
 
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DeathDomokun said:
Seeing as you've only got 6 posts and just joined I'm not going to humour your troll account/posts.
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So if someone has recently joined you disregard their posts?

Don't you think we should eradicate rape?
Don't you think harm should be reduced where it can be?


May I suggest you simply are unable to prove me wrong. Show me tell me where the logic is wrong.

Rapist rape because they want to and they want to because evolution caused them to want to because it rewards them through transmission of genes all behaviors are controlled through genes therefore my argument.

And the law does create a perverse incentive to murder your rape victim even if that wasn't your intent.


These are logical chains of causality. I have provided evidence and proof of these claims. These claims are well known and recognized within anthropology if not the softer social 'sciences' where it has become PC to claim its about power. Power? Doesn't make sense. Why power unless power is of use?
 
Btw you asked me to explain and give evidence.

Why if you didn't intend to engage with idea?

Do you have better one?
 
If rape is about power and BSDM is about power then BSDMers would be more likely to engage in rape...

Can anyone into BSDM confirm or deny increased desire to rape?

I suggest not.
 
Okay, I'll bite.

No, that's not the case. The amount of posts someone has counts for fuck all, you can make 1000s of shit posts or you can make 100 decent posts. The fact that a stupid post came from someone who just joins makes it much more likely that you're trolling than you being genuinely stupid.

No, I don't think we should eradicate rape. We can't eradicate rape, and even if you happen to stop all instances of the act it is a fleeting state until someone gets the idea/urge to rape. You can't kill an idea, not permanently.

I just want to reiterate, as I'm writing this after I've written the latter 2 paragraphs, that you have a misinformed perception on everything pertaining to genes and you should do some research before trying to talk about them.

First off, sex isn't to procreate. Procreation is to procreate, sex is just how it's done. Look all around the animal kingdom and tell me how many animals enjoy sex. Insects especially, preying matis' have their heads eaten off and spiders risk their life, yet they're still around. We're one of the few species that has sex for fun, and that's what it is. Sex is fun, it feels good. Yet you can't even make that generalisation, as different people like different things. You might like traditional vaginal sex whereas others don't, I mean there's even sexual anhedonia or whatever it's called, so not all people even enjoy sex.

The reason we enjoy sex isn't so we have more babies, or else everything that has sex as a means of procreation would enjoy sex. Just in case you hadn't gathered, that's not the case.

You obviously know fuck all about genetics, as sexual anhedonia, fetishes/kinks/turn ons/offs, sexuality as a whole, isn't genetic. If you inseminate a homosexual female with a homosexual males sperm will she have a homosexual baby? No.

But this is completely OT, so let me address the rest of your OT post.

Rape isn't making babies not to care for them. First off, you have the choice to abort if you don't want it. Forcing all rape victims to have an abortion is only causing MORE harm. They've already had their bodies violated and controled once, and now you want to do it again? For what? There are single parents out there, there are couples with adopted children, and I'm sure there are couples who have kept "rape babies"

Rape IS a deviation from the norm. This isn't 'once upon a time' this is 2012. Men used to kill each other over women quite frequently, but that's not the norm, is it? No.

This is 2012. The norm has changed and will continue to change, history is irrelevant in this conversation.

How can you say most men would rape? You don't know that. Maybe you would rape, but I wouldn't rape. Even if it meant the rest of the army men would kill me, I still wouldn't rape the women whose husbands and brothers were just killed right before their eyes, and I'm sure I'm not alone in holding such a notion.

Rape is not genetic. It's like me saying we should sterilize you because your children will start spreading misinformation about things they know nothing about. That's not true, you could have intelligent children, you could have children with down syndrome. Either way, rape and opinions are not genetic.

What rewards for rape behaviour? Is somebody handing out trophies to rapists? No. The reward they get is from the rape itself. You can't take away the reward, you can prevent them from getting it, but once they have it there's no way to take it back.

Babies aren't rewards. Men don't rape so that some random woman can have a child they won't ever see. That's absurd.

Yes, decriminalizing rape may prevent murders that result from rape, but it won't prevent rape. In fact, if rape were decriminalized I bet you'd see an INCREASE in rape, irrespective of murders. This is a topic about rape, not murder.

The law doesn't cause murder. It may contribute to it, but it doesn't cause it.
Sure, having logical laws would be benevolent and reduce harm, but that's got nothing to do with rape/this thread.

Mandatory minimum sentences increase the harm for the victim? In the examples you gave:
Shoplifting: The victim is the owner of the shop. How would they be harmed by sending the shotlifter to jail? Shoplifting doesn't even have a mandatory minimum sentence.

Drug Use: Who's the fucking victim? Do you understand what the word 'victim' means? There is no victim in drug use you fucking dolt.

Rape: Rape is now a minor crime? Okay buddy, you put rape on par with drug use and shoplifting. Sure. Lots of logic there.

Yes, peaceful protected rape is better than violent unprotected rape.

Cannabis is illegal in some places, yes. Are the smokers criminals? Only if they get caught. You have to be very stupid to be caught, but that's not the point I'm about to make. Smoke Cannabis has absolutely no correlation let alone causation with engaging in other illegal activities. As far as other illegal drugs go, smoking Cannabis isn't going to make you try other drugs. Someone that uses other drug won't have the qualms with using illegal drugs that someone who doesn't use illegal drugs might have. Cannabis isn't a gateway to harder drugs or illegal activities. What is this the fucking 50s?

Just a mere sterilization? Too bad if you want kids. Going to jail or having the label of 'sex offender' doesn't prevent you from doing so. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if everyone was sterilized. There are too many humans, I'm all for human extinction but it's not my place to remove peoples ability to reproduce.

I've already said this but I will repeat myself: having babies isn't the incentive of rape.

Once again, that prevents murder, not rape. This is a thread about rape, not murder.

Now, you're either a troll or genuinely stupid.
My plan is to chill out and stop replying to stupid posts
Does anybody have any plans or ideas to help me?
Oh, I've got one! I just have to smoke more!
 
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Let's keep things civil and constructive please.

There isn't a reason to let this thread devolve.
 
Death domokun.

You do not understand genetics evolution or natural selection.

1. Homosexuality is genetic not a choice. This is proven science. Example if one twin is homosexual then the other is far far more likely to be homosexual. I don't think ANYONE except the religious fanatics believe homosexuality is a choice.

2. If homosexuality is genetic and heterosexuality is genetic then every other mix of human sexuality is also genetic. Therefore proven is that rape sexuality being a rapist is determined genetically (not the action but the desire even a homosexual can decide NOT TO have sex but that unrealistic.) rape is sexuality rape is genetically determined predisposition.

3. You may have sex for the pleasure but the reason you are given pleasure for having sex is as a reward for engaging in behaviors likely to pass on those behaviors genetically. This is not absurd. The rapist consciously only seeks pleasure however THE REASON he enjoys rape is because it is a behavior that possibly produces children and so the gene that predispositions the rapist to rape is passed on to the child.

People have sex because it feels good. WHY DOES SEX FEEL GOOD? Because your genes want to induce you to have sex and increase the probability of having children.

Evolution has not caught up with condoms and the pill so it doesn't know the people are having sex only for recreation but that every sexual act is possible a procreative act and thus rewards with pleasure.

I don't know what it is you cannot grasp or understand about this. Maybe educate yourself. Read some Dawkins. All of this is fully accepted science. The only idea that's mine is abortion of rape babies.

Could you point me to where I said force women to have abortions. Obviously that would be a case of cure worse than the disease. No it's up to the woman.

I make no predictions or plans on HOW to breed out rape as a sexual predilection only point out that it CAN BE DONE. Nature evolved rapists, we can unevolve them.

Many many species of animal rape each other have sex "for fun" even pay each other for sex with the market rate for each sexual act going up and down as per supply and demand.

You don't know everything, you've made lots of claims like "that's absurd" "troll" "rubbish" "untrue" so on but with literally not one of your claims have you provided evidence nor logic nor causality just your opinion that that's not right couldn't be right.


PS since most or many men who went to war just a few hundred years ago did engage in rape and it was viewed as ok proves that most or many men who live today would indeed do the same thing if in the same situation with the same societal attitudes. People now are the same as people back then no difference if we were suddenly plunged back into those conditions rspe level would rise. As proof of this look at the fact that rape stats are different depending on the situation in each county ie whether they can get away with it, then they will.



Weed is not a gateway drug.

If however someone smokes it and the government and society deems them a criminal then this increases the likelihood of them engaging in OTHER or even MORE criminal actions both through the fact they are already criminals in the eyes of society even if not caught they know inside they are criminals and also by forcing these minor criminals to associate with drug dealers coming into contact with and using harder drugs.

Simple logic with casual chain.

If you wish to engage in discussion then I suggest not doing it in such a mean manner towards me rather use logic and facts to disprove me if you believe I am wrong.




I believe rape can and should be eliminated.

I also believe most forms of criminal violence can be dealt with in the same way.

If the law creates an incentive that increase the number of dead bodies then clearly something is wrong with that law.

Humanity can evolve into the society/lifestyle of non aggression against women and everyone else rather than the normal violence. It just means incentivizing and removing perverse incentives.
 
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Mandatory minimum sentencing increases the harms to the victims because no distinction can be made by the judge about the severity of the offence inside the class of offense.

Example in armed robbery you'll have a choice of weapons actions threats and actual levels of violence up to murder to employ. Mandatory sentencing that says all armed robbers must get 40 years doesn't distinguish between whether the victims are left alive or not injured or not traumatized or not.

In fact it creates the perverse incentive to murder all witnesses to robbery to prevent them identifying you later as the punishment for armed robbery is close enough (EVEN WITHOUT MANDATORY SENTENCING) that the path of less risk is murder.

Repeat that to yourself. The laws as they stand mean that murder is the path of least risk LEAST FUCKING RISK to murder your victim whether robbery or rape.
 
munki said:
Victim blame much?



Double standard.

Blood pressure rising.

/facepalm
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I meant to say it still makes you a rapist, sorry for that typo, i can see how that's frustrating.

Also, don't blame the victim, but what i meant is the victim can take precautions to decrease the chance that she/he gets raped in the first place.



Also Comrade, very interesting idea... i don't think you're gonna ever pass the "kill rape babies thing" though..
seems pretty messed up.
I see the logic but that just isn't happening. Many of your ideas do have merits however i doubt they will ever be embraced.
 
Comrade Kane said:
Death domokun.

You do not understand genetics evolution or natural selection.

1. Homosexuality is genetic not a choice. This is proven science. Example if one twin is homosexual then the other is far far more likely to be homosexual. I don't think ANYONE except the religious fanatics believe homosexuality is a choice.

2. If homosexuality is genetic and heterosexuality is genetic then every other mix of human sexuality is also genetic. Therefore proven is that rape sexuality being a rapist is determined genetically (not the action but the desire even a homosexual can decide NOT TO have sex but that unrealistic.) rape is sexuality rape is genetically determined predisposition.
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if sexuality is genetic, and evolution mixed with desire to spread ones DNA creates sexuality, is it only a matter of time until homosexuality is darwin-ed out of existence?

what about the strong correlation between having been sexually abused as a child and then growing up to sexually abuse children?

maybe a combination of genetics and environment factor into the development of sexuality.

sometimes homosexuals and christians make extreme claims about sexuality based of off favorable implications, not solid evidence. might not be the greatest premise for whatever your argument is.
 
Because I am a simple girl..
I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly...

The theory on why rapists do what it is they do...
is not to have power or dominance over another..

but actually, is a genetic compulsion to spread the seed of life and for sexual gratification?
 
Comrade Kane: You have no clue how genetics vs learned behavior work. You really don't. At the very minimum, you are forgetting the role of environmental triggers on gene expression.

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^^personally, i feel your last sentence was unnecessary...and your point was made with the first paragraph!

please don't call me anything now. :(

~token
 
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