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anti-rape devices

rangrz said:
Insanity: If the person is truly unaware of their acts and what they are doing, and with no control, it is not right to call them "guilty" or a "rapist" if they are GENUINELY sick, then we need to provide treatment for them, not punishment. Sometimes it is essential to have compassion for even the person who does most heinous acts.

Duress: If one is forced to rape another by imminent and clear threat of death, grievous bodily harm, or the same threats made against others if this person does rape, we again must understand the situation at hand, and the "rapist" is as much as victim as the raped. The true guilty party is the one who forced the person to rape.

Mistake of consent: If the person has good reason that a reasonable person would also agree on, that the person consented, that they said "yes" even if it happened that they did not, you can not call this person a rapist. This person lacks Mens Rea to the offense, because they genuinely believed that it was consensual...lets maybe try a thought experiment example: So they agree before hand to some S/M play. The bottom agrees to be gagged, bound and to be penetrated vaginally. During the seen, it is going well, until the top penetrates her anally, and she can not make a distinguishable sound to voice her withdrawal of consent. It seems to be reasonable that the top had reasonable belief of consent to sexually activity, and misunderstood that she meant vaginally only due to poor communications. It again seems that it would be wrong to call him rapist, as he had reasonable cause to believe it was consented to.
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Thankyou, I don't think anyone could have given a better answer.
 
The lip gloss is awesome! It is a sad but true reality that rape and drugging happens, and women deserve the option to protect themselves. However, the barbed condom just seems like a bad idea. Yes, women should have that option available to them, but, as many of you have already stated, for the barbed condom to take affect, the woman must have already been attacked and most likely threatened or injured. Damage has already been done before the female condom could help. The only thing more traumatic than the attack and forced penetration would be the possibly of getting pregnant or an STD from an attacker. For this, wearing a regular female condom around seems like a better idea than a barbed one. The barbed condom, as said earlier, would only serve to enrage an attacker and induce further violence, while a regular female condom would prevent pregnancy/STDs.
HOWEVER, I can see the barbed condom possibly being useful in a club situation, when everybody is getting warm and fuzzy on ecstasy and some guy tries to have sex with a girl who is not of Sound mind to consent. He feels the spikes, and gets the hell outta there. this or another non-violent but non consensual situation is the only time where I can think of the barbed condom being reasonable... Though it still seems a bit cruel.
 
I really was more interested in the lip gloss too when creating this thread, but so far this thread has focused on that horrible looking Rape-aXe I believe it's called even though it was something I found on wikipedia at the last second when looking for a statistic on rape.

I think the lip gloss is awesome too, I looked into it a little and besides learning that it seems to be made by a UK based company, and is called 2 Love My Lips if I remember correctly, I haven't been able to learn much more about it other than that it turns blue on contact with "ketamine, GHB, and others" but I am wondering what "others" it detects.

I wonder if there are any products like this based in the USA.
 
It must be considered why rape occurs before it can be wiped out.

There is a reason for everything every action every 'choice'. Why does a man choose to rape?

Consider that only recently has rape all rape been condemned by society. Traditionally for example rape was considered a spoil of war and was the main reason men wanted to go to war (for spoil of rape and loot). Rape was fine as long as it was against outside the group.

Would you men enjoy rape taken as war spoil? Most men did so in the same situation I'd conclude you would too. I admit I must too.

Rape at its most basic is sex. Sex begets children. As the purpose of all life is offspring and rape enables offspring to exist in situations where it may not have therefore rape is a desired outcome some of the time for human evolution. Each individual competes to spread their seed around and rape improves the chances and number of offspring.

If a man rapes another mans wife he gets the benefit of offspring while not having to pay with resources for that child to live. His genes are passed on.

Rape therefore is natural. Not good but natural. How do you wipe out eradicate something natural you don't want?

1. Abortion of all rape conceived fetuses to deny the basic benefit of rape, passing on the genes. This will take several generations perhaps as many as 10 to be successful.
2. All genuine rapists (not age of consent bullshit but real rapists) must be sterilized to prevent the rape gene transmitted.
3. Rapists who conceive subject to financial burden to simulate costs of raising child.


OR Alternatively we stop concerning ourselves with the act of rape sex without consent and instead legislate based on the harms of the action. Therefore a rapist who transmits a disease or rapes through violence or harms is punished more than the responsable rapist who uses a condom and so on.
The most responsable rapists get treatment the violent offenders get castration or life or something like that. This won't effect the number of rapes but it will reduce the harms associated with rape such as death.

If a rapist gets life and a murderer gets life and a rapist who leaves their victim alive has a greater chance of being caught then this creates a perverse incentive to murder.

If the punishment when using condom and not using condom is the same then the incentive is to come inside.

Decriminalizing some forms of rape would reduce the harm while we waited for the effects of aborting rape babies to take effect.
 
Take one step back, gather your strength, and kick him as hard as you can in the nuts. Then, if necessary, kick him in the stomach or head and say "Next time I'm going to kill you/ have you killed."

Might sound a bit much but I'm not going to passively allow someone to rape me and get away with it if I can help it. Time to find your killer instinct and turn the predator into the prey. This is not the time to turn the other cheek.

Pretty much the same as a man who's attacked should act to effectively defend himself.
 
there are many basic self defense mechanisms that can be practiced daily, that render size, strength, and sex totally irrelevant. every woman is strong enough to condition her hands into viable weapons, and can do so without changing the external appearance much. one of my favorite sayings is, "you cant grow muscles on your X" and fill that X with groin, elbow, larynx, eyeballs, temple, collar bone, kneecap, etc. well conditioned fingers can blind a man instantly. crushing a larynx to a point where suffocation may soon follow is not difficult to achieve for any person, regardless of body type. kneecaps are often unguarded areas. it only takes around 12 lbs of pressure on a very precise point to break a collar bone. a certain beginner's level shaolin strike involves tearing a scrotum off an attacker and slamming a fist in the hole left behind. the point is, there are many natural "deterrents" built into our bodies, and likewise every human, regardless of sex, size, or strength, has these weaknesses. when compromised from critical damage to these areas, the brain, the spine, and the heart tend to be quite vulnerable. its unfortunate that the court system may judge you for deciding such an act should receive zero tolerance.

Take one step back, gather your strength, and kick him as hard as you can in the nuts. Then, if necessary, kick him in the stomach or head and say "Next time I'm going to kill you/ have you killed."

Might sound a bit much but I'm not going to passively allow someone to rape me and get away with it if I can help it. Time to find your killer instinct and turn the predator into the prey. This is not the time to turn the other cheek.

Pretty much the same as a man who's attacked should act to effectively defend himself.
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love this.

dont think of your self as some frail creature, incapable of usurping the patriarchy that produces such an ignorant and violent culture. you were once the apex predator of the african savannahs, and have the will to kill in order to preserve your ability to create life deep in your ancestral dna. choose to live in a world where men truly fear the consequences of harming a woman. there is no contest of strength or display of valor to be achieved, only survival, and every single person is physically capable. your mind must choose to defend, and understand an attacker with such a goal cant protect all of these areas at once.

we have come so far out of balance with Nature as a species, that you must use your most raw natures to bring it back. your genes are made for hunting and killing, and your hands are made for clawing, grabbing, tearing, and crushing. i have taught many of my girlfriends knuckle and preying mantis pushups for this reason, their hands are small they perhaps have smaller frames than men, but they are cable of breaking a bone or taking a large chunk of skin out of a man's body in just one movement. with several movements, a human face can be turned into a rotten tomato. the nastiest self defense techniques are often the most simple.
 
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there are many basic self defense mechanisms that can be practiced daily, that render size, strength, and sex totally irrelevant. every woman is strong enough to condition her hands into viable weapons, and can do so without changing the external appearance much. one of my favorite sayings is, "you cant grow muscles on your X" and fill that X with groin, elbow, larynx, eyeballs, temple, collar bone, kneecap, etc. well conditioned fingers can blind a man instantly. crushing a larynx to a point where suffocation may soon follow is not difficult to achieve for any person, regardless of body type. kneecaps are often unguarded areas. it only takes around 12 lbs of pressure on a very precise point to break a collar bone. a certain beginner's level shaolin strike involves tearing a scrotum off an attacker and slamming a fist in the hole left behind. the point is, there are many natural "deterrents" built into our bodies, and likewise every human, regardless of sex, size, or strength, has these weaknesses. when compromised from critical damage to these areas, the brain, he spine, and the heart tend to be quite vulnerable. its unfortunate that the court system may judge you for deciding such an act should receive zero tolerance.
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I am friends w/a state constable whom I've worked events with before..
gun shows..things of this nature....
He has a self defense class which is free to women..why only women? i ask him..
to which he replies..men have the upper hand already...
crappy answer..but w/e

He did give me the lessons which are taught in the class...although on my own..with a male co-worker....but also gave me a kubatan...Look it up ppl...cheap..
well mine was free..you keep it on your keychain..and the classes you are taught specific pressure
points...and different places which rm-rf..you just explained could take someone down
instantly. This is assuming you are out..and attacked and are of sound mind.
We all know that many if not most of the time...rape does not occur under quite these
circumstances..
however it's still worth the $12 or so...to have with you when you're out..
I was able to try it out on a 250 lb. guy in a controlled environment..and he hit his knees..
and i barely applied any pressure..

rambling and off topic: sorry...

~token
 
You can't really say death isn't the worst thing b/c you haven't ever died. Not that I'm going easy on rape, it's completely ridiculous and can ruin lives, but death is final and unknown. It could be an eternity of getting raped, just saying. That may of came across a little ridiculous, but I'm in that kind of mood.
 
jasonmccarthy5 said:
You can't really say death isn't the worst thing b/c you haven't ever died. Not that I'm going easy on rape, it's completely ridiculous and can ruin lives, but death is final and unknown. It could be an eternity of getting raped, just saying. That may of came across a little ridiculous, but I'm in that kind of mood.
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depends on beliefs...ie..subjective and relative...
what some ppl have to endure/have endured...
if they believe death is finality..
i could understand wishing for it..tbh..

token
 
Are we actually talking about girls implanting mouths with sharp teeth inside the Vagina for fear of rape?
 
I think it's very extreme. Unfortunately, you can't lock up a rapist unless he's actually commited the crime yet. Once caught, life in prison is the only way for me to be honest. Get them off the streets, encourage more reporting of rape etc.

I also echo sentiments that some nutter woman will go around wearing one of those and consent to sex to inflict pain on random men. I think there's better alternatives to be honest.
 
Yeah it bothers me. And even if you disfigure or even take the penis off, rape is about control...I'm sure the desire for these men would still be there and they'd think of other ways to inflict themselves on innocent women.
 
wiki says : "U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1999) estimated that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male"

Just throwing it out there it's innocent women and men.

That's all.
Don't stop.

~token
 
tokenname said:
wiki says : "U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1999) estimated that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male"

Just throwing it out there it's innocent women and men.

That's all.
Don't stop.

~token
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Yeah I think people also forget there is a gay community of males as well and forget that a lot of them are raped too. I'm not saying that straight males can't be raped either. I believe both can be but just mentioning this as well because it seems like people tend to forget about that.
 
How about not put yourself in "rapey" situations?
Not getting plastered would be a start.. maybe not dressing provocatively when you're in a "hot" zone (high incidence of rape).

Make your boundaries clear.

Its ridiculous how many girls are "afraid" to say no or resist, and the guy is completely unaware she isn't comfortable with the situation. Then she slams the guy with a "rape" accusation when she made no move to stop it. Ruins the guys life.

Also occurs when the women/girl regrets sex, and then in an attempt to justify her actions to herself or to a significant other, pulls the rape card.


I'm not saying its anybody's fault they get raped, but you can minimize the attention and the chances of it if you're smart.

And the degradation of personal responsibility in our society is disturbing..


Also in regards to a previous post, just because you are not in control of your actions and rape somebody doesn't absolve your from being called a rapist. It means you are a rapist that cannot control your actions and you should be quarantined from the general population because you are a danger to society.

Just like a murderer who pleads insanity should be locked away, and they are a murderer regardless of if they are insane or not. Most people murdering and/or raping have something wrong with them. When does this level qualify as insanity? To me, it doesn't matter. If it makes someone feel better to call them insane rather than a cold blooded killer, then good for them, but the person in question needs to be put in a place where their mental instability doesn't put others at risk.



ALSO: if i was a rapist (i'm not), and someone chopped my dick off with some device while i attempted rape, I would probably want to murder them. (no rapist/murderer, but i assume this would be the outcome to a severed penis..)
 
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Need to address ways of preventing rape in the first place else there will never be change.

I believe my proposals have some merit.

Abort all rape babbies.
Decriminalize rape while legislating on harms caused by each rape because currently rape laws cause a perverse incentive to kill rape victim when done.
Understand why men rape women (babies) instead of imagining it's about power.
Studying past evolutionary uses for rape and understanding why those situations in which rape was desirable no longer apply such as rape as a spoil of war then remove rape incentives.
 
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