Anti Depressant and Motivational drugs...

[rockstar 69]

This post in the MXE thread is going along the lines I've been thinking for a while. When I first tried ketamine I found it to do exactly this, it's the best anti depressant, motivational drug for me. Like this post below it actually makes me want to exercise and improves my mental health/happiness aswell. For about a week after I feel on top of the world.

I know people say drugs like LSD have an afterglow, only once have I had this and it was never anywhere near as great an effect as the anti-depressant effect I get from ketamine.

I'm intrested in other drugs which people find like this. I imagine dissociatives mainly. MXE I've never really found does it for me, one time I did get some positive vibes from it I did 600mg over 3 days and found after I felt a bit shit the day it ran out. Ketamine I might wish I still had more when I run out but I'm not really fiending or feeling shit in any way.

Anyone have any ideas on drugs that cover these basis? Ketamine would be the obvious answer but with the UK drought at the moment it's tricky to be sure what you get will be worth it...

Answers on a post card.

It may not be a miracle soma for everyone. It may not be a miracle soma for me, either But I will say it's the best antidepressant and motivational drug I've ever known.

Having gone through maybe 75g of the stuff since February (probably I shared some of that), I think if there was any kind of "real" MXE addiction I'd be a case study for it. The only kind of withdrawl I've experienced is a feeling of less energy for a couple days after stopping. I haven't had any for 2 weeks now and that doesn't bother me at all.

I've had several batches of bad MXE in this time span. Two of these were almost certainly pure tiletamine, so I know what that stuff tastes/smells/feels like. And a few batches of questionable quality but still at least mostly MXE stuff.

But, with the good stuff, which is usually a white or slightly tan powder, I've never had a hangover. Never had a headache. Never had a "weird" experience. Confusion I suppose only if I really pushed the dose, which is pointless in most cases.

My physical health is as good as when I started. Actually MXE motivates me to exercise, and as I am pretty well tolerant to dissociative effects, it works mostly as a (really awesome slightly trippy) mood elevator and energy supply.

My mental health, no joke, is better than when I started. MXE has helped me overcome some personal issues and live the way I'd like to without seeing my actions through a 3rd person lens.

I don't think 2/3 of it is Tiletamine right now. But at least one of the major suppliers recently whipped up a batch of utter salty yellow shit with nasty effects and it is being distributed rather widely. So if you haven't tried MXE or even if you have please do your research carefully before picking a vendor.

 

[bluedolphin]

Since you quoted me I am interested to see where this thread goes as well.

I mean, I imagine 3-meo-PCE would be awesome for this purpose, but I haven't tried it.

Simple DARIs like methlyphenidate just don't do it for me. Feels good, man, but not quite right, man.

Ketamine pales in terms of antidepressant value compared to MXE, for me. Others disagree. But I'm open to alternative suggestions :D

 

[mesial]

Without tolerance I felt really low doses of MXE to be anti-depressant in the short term but with a good size dissociative dose there is definitely a long time period (a week or more) where my mood is clearly lifted. I know Jamshyd has a good thread on his anti-depressant regime of ketamine here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/372731-Jamshyd-s-Medicinal-Ketamine-Regimen!-(V-1.5-UPDATED-11-22-10)

It is a slippery slope as these dissociatives can be really addicting and can cause memory problems!

 

[limonov]

I suffer from diagnosised Borderline Personality Disorder w/ comorbid psychotic depression, social phobia and schitzoid traits (although I do not think that I display schizoid traits).

I have found that dissociatives can have an anti-depressant effect, however I think that it is incredibly dangerous for people who suffer from mental illness to self-medicate with dissociatives. I do not believe that taking (even low doses in a controlled manner) dissociatives (of any type) on a daily basis is a sustainable, realistic or advisable practice- even Jamshyd's 'regime' seems to be little more than medically-regulated addiction (like benzodiazipines for anxiety is medically-regulated addiction).

In fact, my experience has shown that using dissociatives on a daily basis causes them to rapidly lose all theraputic value, while making you unable to recognise this fact. Dissociatives have an extreme effect on your personality, they are truely personality-changing drugs. Many people who suffer from mental illness may interpret these personality-altering effects to be positive, 'an improvement', but I think that if this was examined objectively (i.e. if you spoke to the persons partner, not the person taking the drugs) I think that dissociatives cause a certain type of messianic delusions- you rapidly develop a jesus complex where you believe that you have been 'redeemed' by the drugs. Read through the Methoxetamine threads (all five of them)- you'll find dozens of posts that reflect this exact thinking- "I have found the key to life! I have been reborn! I am a new person! Better! Healthier! Happier! Saner! This stuff truely is ambosia!"

That said, I think that one day dissociatives (probably ketamine) may be used as a treatment for mental illness. However, I doubt that it will ever be prescribed to be taken on a daily basis. Instead, I think that it will be used more like Electro-convusive Therapy (ECT)- say once a month, or once every two months you'd go to a clinic and have an intensive several intensive therapy sessions in order to uncover and make clear the purpose of the treatment (what you want to get out of it and what you need in order to get what you want, as well as building a more general theraputic relationship) then you would administered a dose, you would discuss the things that you had prearranged to discuss in the preliminary sessions, you would then be allowed to sleep/meditate/whatever until the primary effects of the drug wore off at which point you'd be go home and not take anymore NMDA antagonists for another couple of months.

When I have used dissociatives in this way (one largeish dose with a 'emotional purpose' with no more use for a prolonged period) I have found them to be more theraputic than anything I have ever tried (and I've done it all- Dialectical Behavioural Therapy is the only thing that has helped in the slightest). Daily dosing of any recreational drug, no matter how fancy you make it seem, is nothing more than drug dependence.

I have immense respect for Jamshyd, he is an extremely intelligent, insightful and informed individual- but his 'regime' is nothing more than highly-intellectualised drug dependence. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing- most people with severe mental illness ARE drug dependent (whether it be ketamine, or anti-psychotics or SSRIs or benzos), there is no shame in needing a little chemical assistance so that you can be the person that you know that you are- but taking ketamine everyday is no different from taking benzos every day- it just has a different addiction profile. You can't rationalise that simple fact away, no matter how much you may try.

 

[rockstar 69]

I agree with much of the above. Dosing dissociatives daily or every other day is not really sustainable (although probably fun at the time), and they are going to loose effectiveness fairly quickly. If I dose ketamine on three consecutive days by day 3 my tollerance has doubled from when I started and I'm doing beefy lines, which means your going through it quickly and it's becoming a binge scenario. However that said I would still rather just buy a few grams blast them over 2-3 days and feel great for a week - two weeks after than try and dose that few grams consistently over the week - two weeks, that in my mind is leading more to dependance and causing more problems than you originally started with.

I can't ever see ketamine being legitimately used in the UK to treat depression. A shame as out of anything I've tried it does really give me more motivation and I feel on top form after.

I have tried MXE but I think the problem is I'm constantly comparing it in my mind to ketamine and it's just not as good. Yes I have had an afterglow after it a couple of times, dosing maybe 120mg in a night (30mg doses), but after a few days like this (similar to the way I would normally use ketamine) I don't feel that great and sore heads etc (the opiate effect?).

The only other dissociative I can get my hands on is 4-meo-pcp, and it hardly sounds worth the hassle going by what I've read on here.

 

[Darksidesam]

I use ketamine for my manic depression.
it was working fine i was doing 200mg every 7 days, In one dose.

I found the sunday, (took on saturday usually)
Wouldnt be entirely mind clear but come monday 100% and i felt great alllll week, then friday ish sometimes early thursday felt a bit not so great but still okay.

someone on here said to do it every 3 days instead in a lesser dose, to stop damage to my bladder

so i did. which turned into 100mg every 2 days then 50mg a day to 100mg a day to 150mg a day.

and i was getting more and more manic and weird and when i felt a bit bad i thought oh yes i need more ket. yes more ket definately.

Fail...........

Ive gone back to once a week since then, (like a few weeks to a month ago that was)
lol although i think im hooked on weed now i smoke a joint every day atm haha!.


I ate some magic mushrooms too,
i recon like half a grams worth if that.
It didnt make me giggly( not that i expected to) but i did fall asleep (rounda friends with lots of friends and music playing)
haha.


I felt a nice anti depressant effect for days and days after though wonder if that caused it? it lasted like 10 days.

or was it like a rare rare rare 800mg ketamine weekend binge ??????

Also rockstar, mxe was kind of just for giggles thing for me, i wanted to see music appreciation and wonkiness and wonky dancing at a rave on it. It fit the bill perfectly,
but mixed it with ket and i had the worst comedown of my life on the tuesday i wonder why how odd??? i was in such a great mood earlier then Crashhhhhhhh That quite literally was Suicide tuesday

 

[rockstar 69]

I've never heard of ketamine giving anyone a comedown, that's the MXE for me.

I'd feel good after 800mg of ketamine in a night tbh, it's only if I go over a gram or two I sometimes feel a bit groggy in the morning, still completely positive mentally though.

 

[Darksidesam]

240 horsepower later, and im still not picking up lol.
Shieieeeettt go away bad feelings (the feelings i used to get in october and before that, which is before i touched any drug except for alcohol )

 

[rockstar 69]

I've discovered the answer to this is just ketamine, case closed.

 

[Darksidesam]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7953967/Ketamine-is-magic-drug-for-depression.html

In my experience,
it has to be a nice whopper,
1 dose,

Say on a saturday like just below 200mg ,

also it has to be decent K.
Then im good all week long then, Repeat on Saturday.

Not like the advice i was given on here "oh you should take like 60mg every few days instead, for harm reduction for your bladder"
That didnt work, no afterglow and it made me think when i felt down again i need more k

I was doing 100mg a day for a good few weeks in the end and i was like Wtf am i doing...... It's not even working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Harm reduction for me is being stable all week, not feeling like my soul is dying and repeatedly thinking suicidal thoughts,
instead i have these positive thoughts all week then,

The afterglow is amazing too.... Feels like my brain has airconditioning on, and that cool euphoria flows through my body for the next day or 2