Another Pedro thread (beyond the big danndy and other pedro threads)

[760rollz]

Okay, I know that the Big Dandy Xsists. I also know that there is already a thread as of right now up on here about torch dosage. I'm not asking something without looking into it first. I recently tripped on San Pedro for my first time. I cut up around two feet of cactus. I peeled it, chopped it and then brewed a tea with it. The tea cooked for around 6 hours. After brewing all day I let it cool then me and my wife shared it. The tea was about 64oz total which me and my wife split up into two separate cups and drank over the course of one hour. The tea wasn't that bad but considering we didn't trip as hard as we had wanted because we only consumed a foot each we want to take it to the next level. Next time we trip I want to try a simple extraction. I have the extraction method already. My questions in this thread have to do with dosage to weight to fresh to dried. Please read on and help.

So I've searched around this site to figure on the dosages of mescaline as compared to the weight of the San Pedro cactus (both dried and fresh) and from what I'm finding if I start with around 11lbs (5kg) of fresh cactus and dry it out then I should Xpect to yield around 200g of dried cactus. And if I use 200g of dried cactus for a simple Xtraction I would Xpect that my simple Xtraction should contain approximately around 660mg of mescaline in my final product.

Does this seem like I looking at things right, and if I am looking at this right would 660mg mescaline be enough for a fairly deep trip? Thanks in advanced to anyone and everyone who took the time to read this and who went even further and gave a reasonable response to this.


Rollz

 

[JBrandon]

The only problem with this question is that the alkaloid content varies from strain to strain. The Pedros can all interbreed which is why the ID is so difficult - so no one is going to be able to really tell you how much mescaline you are going to extract.

If you are doing the d-limo extraction on a Pedro, then just keep in mind that what you get out is likely going to be around a 50/50 mescaline / other alkaloid mix.

If you are growing the cacti yourself then you can start to get an idea if you harvest from the same plant, but if you are getting cuttings from a vendor, it seems to be a crap shoot.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help!

 

[guerillabedlam]

660 mgs would be more than enough. Next time if you are using San Pedro have 2 feet to yourself. Like JBrandon said the mescaline content varies dramatically between different cacti. I can't say it for certain but in my experience the fatter/wider cacti usually contain more than skinner cacti, if you have multiple cacti available.. i think on average getting 660 mgs of mescaline would be closer to 3 feet of cacti yourself. I can't provide much advice i usually just eat the dark green layer underneath the skin while boiling it and then drink the tea on top of that.

 

[760rollz]

First let me thank both JBrandon and guerillabedlam for their answers. Next in response to JBrandons answer, I was calculating the alkaloid content to be .33% cactus weight which from what I understand is a bit of a low but still reasonable estimate. As far as it being a crap shoot, I don't get my cactus from a vendor, but I do not grow my own either. I am fortunate enough to know where there is an abandoned 100 feet in total of the cactus growing in a public abandoned lot of land. I was supper excited to find this treasure and as soon as I did I harvested the two feet of San Pedro that night, took it home peeled it and chopped it up, and brewed the cactus the very next day. Now as far as guessing how much mescaline is in the cactus I am using I am going to have to guess it on the heavier side of alkaloid content because my wife and I split the 64oz brew made from 2 feet right down the middle so I only consumed a foot's worth but I tripped pretty good considering. I am an experienced tripper. I have tripped on everything from LSD to shrooms, to 2cb, to, moring glory, to woodrose seeds to salvia to you name it I've tripped on it. I've tripped pretty damn hard in my days and I tripped good enough on the foot section to get a good feel for what mescaline is like. Because of this I would have to guess the cactus is on the higher side of mescaline content.

Also this is the Xtraction tech I planned on trying. If you could take a look at it and tell me if you think that this one or the d-limo extraction method would be better for higher yield Xpectation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr39UfUuM7Y


I hope this will help you in helping me any more in my quest to trip.

Thanks much,

Rollz

 

[guerillabedlam]

1 foot of cacti to me is almost mdma like with a somewhat more stoning effect and slight visual disturbances. You didn't really explain your trip but you said it's kind of disappointing which doesn't suggest to me a higher than normal mescaline content. I considered extraction but I've heard the yields are poor.

with 2 feet you shouldn't be disappointed at all. It's probably comparable to a 300 ug acid trip but not quite as 'electric'. It's more flowing, but colors really stand out and the closed eye visuals are the best of any of the longer acting psychedelics i've experienced. Mescaline also has the best aphrodisac qualities. I love the lucid but curious mindstate it takes me too. San Pedro > Shrooms

 

[760rollz]

1 foot of cacti to me is almost mdma like with a somewhat more stoning effect and slight visual disturbances.

I couldn't agree more. In fact I was very surprised by how similar it seemed to me. Many of the physical sensations reminded me a lot of MDMA. The visuals were VERY much like the visuals one gets when one takes a large dose of MDMA (like the 250mg-300mg MDMA range).

You didn't really explain your trip but you said it's kind of disappointing which doesn't suggest to me a higher than normal mescaline content.

Lol about that. The next day I woke up and wrote the longest trip report to post up on here. I did trip, just not as much as I had wanted to. Then I went to post the report and when I did somehow I had been logged out of Bluelight and I lost every bit of my trip report. I was sooo very disappointed but I knew there was no way to recover it because bluelight clears all your cookies from the site once you log out and I wasn't about to sit down for another two hours to try and rewrite all I already written.

colors really stand out and the closed eye visuals are the best of any of the longer acting psychedelics i've experienced.

During my peak I would describe the visuals as much more "pop out" than that of the other hallucinogens I have done. The CEV were GREAT I would describe the CEV as actually going on a flight over distant lands. The landscape on the CEV journey was so vivid and detailed. It was a very dreamy, and giant land. I was surprised by this because it has been my past experience that the CEV on most other hallucinogens are much more like seeing electric multicolored neon lights swirl, twist, pulse and contort on your closed eye lids. The mescaline CEV was very intense and real in a psychedelic world sort of way.

I love the lucid but curious mindstate it takes me too. San Pedro > Shrooms

My trip was very lucid and lacked the racing thoughts that I typically experience with other hallucinogens. As I fell into my peak my thoughts were clear and I did not go on that deep mental journey which I find to be the most rewarding part of any hallucinogen. In a way the mental aspects of my first trip reminded me of a morning glory trip in that the trip was visual but lacked the mental aspects of a strong LSD or mushroom trip.

with 2 feet you shouldn't be disappointed at all. It's probably comparable to a 300 ug acid trip but not quite as 'electric'.

I look forward to my next trip. I suspect that once I bring it to the next level the visuals will be MUCH more visionary and trance like because of how vivid the visuals were from my first small dose voyage. I hope the higher dose will also bring my mind to the next level.

 

[JBrandon]

Wow! You got lucky with that find! Those sound like pretty good results for one foot of cactus so you might have found a very high potency strain.

As far as extraction goes, it sounds like you had pretty good results with the tea. I might try that again, as long as it didn't make you nauseous or sick. Most of the extractions appear to have low yields and require a lot of work, but if that doesn't bug you I'm sure it would be fun to try.

It sounds like the cactus you discovered is so massive, you can afford to play around with different routes of ingestion!

Good luck and have fun!

 

[760rollz]

Ya that's what I thought. I can't wait to take it to the next level.

 

[guerillabedlam]

^ That's cool, I know what you are talking about the landscape with the CEV's too. Last trip I saw some naked women dancing while their faces were changing and there was like aztec ish squiggly blue and yellow lines dripping from the 'top' of my closed eyes to the 'bottom.' I've never gotten figures on any other psychedelic with eyes closed.

 

[760rollz]

So now this thread branches off to a new question, yet still asks one of the same. The new question is to those who have experienced mescaline at higher doses. As your dose increases do you start to loose that clarity of thought that you seem to keep on a lower dose of mescaline? Do you begin to get the psychedelic mind set, or are you still relatively lucid while just getting insane visuals?

And now the question that will return us to our first topics and reasons for this particular thread... Do you think that if I start with 11lbs of fresh cactus I will end up with 200g of dried cactus?