Anonymous Post: Is this assault?

[Winding Vines]

All I can say is that unfortunately, he will probably do it again. And then she will realize what a creep he is. And you can advise her this yourself, and that be the end of it. Or not, do what would be best for you,your S/O and her- some people learn best the hard way, and sometimes you'll never know unless other things happen.

 

[qwe]

^touche

You think they could have used another word for "penal" in a rape law. It just sounds like the mother of all puns.

ok I have an issue with this section of the code:

3. A person is deemed incapable of consent when he or she is:
(a) less than seventeen years old; or
(b) mentally disabled; or
(c) mentally incapacitated; or
(d) physically helpless [...]

C rules out nearly all drunk chicks and B rules out blondes. Damn you justice system!

so this means that the mentally disabled and some physically disabled are, legally, NEVER allowed to have any sex? poor people

 

[Swiss Banker]

supertrav, once again, if you want to discuss something, discuss it. If you have something of value to add, you can certainly do it in an adult manner.

Legally speaking starting a blowjob while my husband is sleeping is assault,

Battery, actually. Sexual battery. %)

 

[QuestionEverything]

^True

 

[Infinite Jest]

^^
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Depending on your jurisdiction (no separate offence of battery, where I am .

 

[QuestionEverything]

How about we simplify it to illegal/against the law?

 

[Winding Vines]

^^

Thank you.

:sigh; semantics lol! I love it.

 

[The Real Fatman]

B) I know a lot of women who would be turned on by that.

uhh can I get there numbers man.

 

[supertrav77]

supertrav, once again, if you want to discuss something, discuss it. If you have something of value to add, you can certainly do it in an adult manner.

For someone who named themself QuestionEverything, you sure don't like being questioned. I wasn't trying to add anything. I was asking for a much needed elaboration.
Hell, I'm not even saying you are wrong. I think they are different too. Not "totally different" like you say, rather its just a difference in severity. The general principles are identical.

Legally speaking starting a blowjob while my husband is sleeping is assault, but that doesn't make it the same as the situation the OP has presented us with. Legally, reaching over and giving him a hand job would be too.

I'm not talking legally. No one here is disputing that they are legally the same. What I do have a problem with is this part.

Every situation is different, every situation has it's own specifics. They're two totally different scenarios, while legally they may be called the same thing, that does not make them so. If it did, there would be no need to present evidence and hear the specifics of every case, we'd just sentence people based on the act.

You will do anything to keep from having to give a straight answer. OK so details should be taken into account before rendering judgement.
That's funny because earlier you said...

The fact that the female here has yet to acknowledge the issue at hand, or see it as one at all is concerning. Is she (X) really not concerned about it at all??? I think she must see something wrong with what he did; she did call your SO and tell them about it.

Black and white. He has sex with an unconscious girl therefore she MUST see that as wrong. No details or specifics could possibly come up that could justify it.
The only "detail" that really matters in these cases is how the person feels about it after the fact and the fact that the girl in the OP doesn't mind seems largely irrelevant to you.

My comment regarding men being ok with their women riding them while unconscious was in response to the earlier comments in this thread.

So repeating gross generalities is OK as long as someone else says them first? That is no justification and you know it.

Unconscious in that scenario also = sleeping, not knocked out cold on drugs, which is another big difference IMO.

Yes and I'm still waiting for you to explain what that difference is.

Comparing the two (or three or four or however many hypothetical situations you want to bring up) is not an option in my opinion because of that.

I'm not asking you to compare them. I'm asking you to contrast them. If the two hypothetical situations are so incomparably different, it should be very easy for you to do.

But for the sake of arguement lets pretend that all the details are the same except that in one case a girl unconscious from drugs gets fucked and in the other a someone puts a sleeping guy's penis in their mouth. All other things are equal. What is this big difference you speak of?

 

[Perpetual Indulgence]

If my husband fucked me while I was in a drug induced stupor, I would be fine with that. I would not consider myself violated. I would be embarrassed that I was so fucked up that I didn't remember it or feel it. However, it would not be a story we would be sharing with others.

OP, there is nothing for you to do or that you should do. No one is asking for your help.

 

[Beatlebot]

supertrav, you are being ridiculous. Do you mean to say you don't know the difference between waking your partner up with sex in the morning and fucking them when they are completely unconcious? Do you live in a hole in the ground?

I mean really, what is your angle here? Are you trying to argue that it's ok to fuck unconscious women? Or is this just a (misguided) attempt to best a moderator?

 

[Amebix]

QuestionEverything, this is so typical of you.



Oh really? Care to elaborate?



Yes, honey, we know you said it before but just saying it doesn't make it so. What we want to know his HOW. Tell us HOW are they different.

consent.

 

[Iculdb3....]

supertrav, you are being ridiculous. Do you mean to say you don't know the difference between waking your partner up with sex in the morning and fucking them when they are completely unconcious? Do you live in a hole in the ground?

I mean really, what is your angle here? Are you trying to argue that it's ok to fuck unconscious women?

There is a BIG difference to waking up and finding your partner doing that to you..and your partner doing that to you when you are passed out from drugs/drink..

I personally feel that for a man to do that to a woman is really unexceptable!


And really...How could anybody really enjoy doing that to another person when they are just lying there?! Passed out!

Sorry but i think the bloke who did that is really Fuckd up and has little respect!

Perpetual Indulgence- You really must have little respect for yourself, Sex is meant to be between two people..yeah some times you go for it and just "fuck" ect but you know Normally its for both people to enjoy...Not for one person to Come while the other is non the wiser! Not feeling anything..Its like just using the other person.. If he is THAT horny..I would tell him to use his fuckin HAND

 

[QuestionEverything]

supertrav, if you can't figure out the difference between being knocked out on drugs and sleeping, I'm certainly not going to explain it to you as that is the least of your worries.

You're being ridiculous just for the sake of being ridiculous, you said yourself you have nothing to add. Move on because I'm not playing that game.

Now we're going to focus on my username? Please. If you have a personal issue with me then take it up with me, otherwise, cut the shit.

supertrav, you are being ridiculous. Do you mean to say you don't know the difference between waking your partner up with sex in the morning and fucking them when they are completely unconcious? Do you live in a hole in the ground?

I mean really, what is your angle here? Are you trying to argue that it's ok to fuck unconscious women? Or is this just a (misguided) attempt to best a moderator?

Exactly.

 

[supertrav77]

supertrav, if you can't figure out the difference between being knocked out on drugs and sleeping, I'm certainly not going to explain it to you as that is the least of your worries.

You're so cute when you're trying to condensend. And I love how you're pretending to misunderstanding what I'm talking about to avoid having to answer the question. You may not be the smartest person in the world, but you're not as dumb as you are trying to make me think you are.

What I am asking about is what is the difference someone being asleep and someone being knocked out on drugs IN PRINCIPLE. Punching someone in the face and hitting them with a bat are different BUT THE PRINCIPLE IS IDENTICLE.

You have said that having sex with someone while they are knocked out on drugs is "totally different" that someone putting a sleeping person's dick in their mouth. Where is this fundamental moral difference you are talking about?

 

[Beatlebot]

Because a sleeping person will WAKE UP and have a chance to have input on the matter. An unconscious person will not wake up, so if you keep having sex with them, you're basically using them as a fucktoy.

Now I ask, how dumb are you? I really thought that distinction was obvious, but you needed it spelled out for you.

 

[supertrav77]

supertrav, you are being ridiculous. Do you mean to say you don't know the difference between waking your partner up with sex in the morning and fucking them when they are completely unconcious?

First of, you're deliberately misinterpretting the question. I'm not talking about "Hey, honey. Hey, honey, wake." "Hmmm.. What is it?" "Hey honey, do you wanna have sex?" "Oh sure, OK". That's not what I'm talking about and you know it. I never said anything about the person being a partner. That is an invention of your own.
What I'm talking about is someone putting a sleeping person's dick in their mouth. So there: the difference between that and fucking an unconscious person.
In both cases, you are not getting consent beforehand. All this "it's so different" comes from an assumption that all men would give consent once they wake up which is flawed on many levels.
QuestionEverything seems to think it is OK to violate someone if the victim is EVENTUALLY able to give their consent.

What everyone seems to be overlooking is that being violated while completely unconscious could be less damaging psychologically because the person would not have any memories of the incident. Waking up with your dick in someone's mouth could be horrifying.
If I woke up and saw my cock in Rosanne Barr's mouth, you can be sure that my therapist will be getting ring in the morning.

Or is this just a (misguided) attempt to best a moderator?

Shit... I do that just by breathing.

 

[supertrav77]

Because a sleeping person will WAKE UP and have a chance to have input on the matter. An unconscious person will not wake up, so if you keep having sex with them, you're basically using them as a fucktoy.

Now I ask, how dumb are you? I really thought that distinction was obvious, but you needed it spelled out for you.

OK, so you think if you violate someone in their sleep, they wake up and and tell you to stop, then that person has not been been violated? Am I mistaken or is that your position?

Honey, I'm at least 5 times smarter than you. You wanna meet up for a game of trivial pursuit, name the time and place but trust me: it won't be pretty.

 

[Perpetual Indulgence]

Perpetual Indulgence- You really must have little respect for yourself,

I REALLY MUST have little respect for myself. Give me a break. I said IF. Hypothetical. How dare you pass judgment based on a solitary response to a thread.

I doubt we would ever be in such a drugged up state nor do I think my husband would fuck me while I was out of it. He prefers a responsive partner.
I would not be upset if he gave it a go just to see what it felt like.

 

[QuestionEverything]

You're so cute when you're trying to condensend. And I love how you're pretending to misunderstanding what I'm talking about to avoid having to answer the question. You may not be the smartest person in the world, but you're not as dumb as you are trying to make me think you are.

What I am asking about is what is the difference someone being asleep and someone being knocked out on drugs IN PRINCIPLE. Punching someone in the face and hitting them with a bat are different BUT THE PRINCIPLE IS IDENTICLE.

You have said that having sex with someone while they are knocked out on drugs is "totally different" that someone putting a sleeping person's dick in their mouth. Where is this fundamental moral difference you are talking about?

Do you realize how hard it is to have a discussion with you? It's very possible I have not understood what you were asking. It's also very possible you haven't understood what I'm saying. But noooo, instead you consistently resort to personal attacks and smartass remarks. I'm not the first person that you've had this problem with, maybe that should tell you something.

Differing opinions are what make discussions worth having a lot of the time, everyone can learn something, but when you become so combative and hostile it's near impossible to take anything you say seriously.

Step back and chill out. If you want to have a conversation, do it, but there is no need to turn everything into an argument.