phase_dancer
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Another fabulous post superbabydoc although I must say that beer statement has got me a bit worried. I drink lite beers usually, so if I'm rolling at home its not uncommon for me to have quite a few on a special night. I always figured the alcohol content (although low) would be sufficient to overcome the antidiuretic affects of MDMA, but I do notice what sometimes seems a small "tug of war is going on".
With meth I find it's a different story. Alcohol can play some weird games with the vasoconstrictive properties of meth. You want to go, but just can't. 10 minutes later all is well, but it often feels like you don't quite empty the bladder. Once, the inability to go was so long lasting I started thinking about a friend who once had polyneuritis and didn't pee for nearly 3 days, upon which time he volunteered for hospital and received a relieving catheter (or the urethra equivalent). It was later established [?] that the illness came from a virus in some Thai dope he was smoking at a rate of knots.
Anyway, while on MDMA I don't find beer has too much effect on urination if it is full strength. Maybe its because I drink less, or maybe it's because the alcohol content is sufficiently diuretic in nature that the MDMA doesn't get a look in?
From: Osmolality Disturbances
8( ...err..think I might go back to 2 small glasses of wine a day....
With meth I find it's a different story. Alcohol can play some weird games with the vasoconstrictive properties of meth. You want to go, but just can't. 10 minutes later all is well, but it often feels like you don't quite empty the bladder. Once, the inability to go was so long lasting I started thinking about a friend who once had polyneuritis and didn't pee for nearly 3 days, upon which time he volunteered for hospital and received a relieving catheter (or the urethra equivalent). It was later established [?] that the illness came from a virus in some Thai dope he was smoking at a rate of knots.
Anyway, while on MDMA I don't find beer has too much effect on urination if it is full strength. Maybe its because I drink less, or maybe it's because the alcohol content is sufficiently diuretic in nature that the MDMA doesn't get a look in?
From: Osmolality Disturbances
- An example of decreased solute delivery to the collecting duct is beer potomania.
- Without beer, a normal individual on a normal diet produces roughly 1000 mOsm of solute for urinary excretion.
- Because maximally dilute urine is 50 mOsm/kg, each 50 mOsm of solute can capture no more than 1 L of free water.
- Thus, on a normal diet, an individual can consume up to 20 L of fluid without becoming hyponatremic.
- However, beer has a low concentration of salts and other solutes, except it has a relatively high carbohydrate content that prevents metabolic generation of solutes by preventing protein catabolism.
- Indeed, it has been estimated that total urinary osmolal clearance is no more than 200 mOsm.
- Thus, beer drinkers who get most of their calories from beer cannot drink more than 4 L of free water (most of which will be consumed as beer) without becoming hyponatremic.
- Hyponatremia due to reduced solute intake is not restricted to individuals with beer potomania but may occur during starvation, when intake may be dramatically reduced without parallel reductions in water intake.
8( ...err..think I might go back to 2 small glasses of wine a day....