anger issues first time use / proper pct advice

The Real Fatman

The Real Fatman

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well I did read the rules so my stats:
22 y/o
220 LB
18% body fat
no prior aas exp.

well its my first time using, not real steroids but anobolic prohormones.

500mg 1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 2 weeks, 400mg 2weeks, 300mg 2weeks
1000mg 4-androstene-3b-ol,17-one 2 weeks, 800mg 2 weeks, 600mg 2weeks

its only my second day and I've been getting mad at shit that normally doesn't bother me, but it would bother most as normally I'm passive too a fault and let absolutely nothing get to me but I damn near got into 2 fights at work today it might've been the heat and homesickness that comes with being in iraq but normally assholes talkin shit and NCOs making us do retarded shit doesn't even phase me, I've been beastin it in the gym though no fatigue like I usually get and total focus on my goal to get big and slim.

as for pct my cycles 6 weeks so I was going to use AROM-X (3b-hydroxy-urs-12-28-oic acid 200mg, 1,4,6 etioallocholan-dione 25mg. milk thistle.) novedex xt, (6,17-ket-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol.
3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene
3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone)

I did a good bit of research and understand that I should include nolva and/or clomix but I'm in Iraq I'm not gonna risk trying to get something thats prescription only shipped to a military instillation in a combat zone. so I decided on what looked like the next best things.
 
Man, don't let the aggression phase you. You said you're naturally passive, but becoming aggressive (especially in your situation) can be very stressful. Keep your eyes on your goals. Don't let life right now get you down. When you feel fuckin' pissed :X, just breathe deep for a bit. You're in a rough situation trying to adapt to multiple things at once, just try to keep those stress levels down. Check out some stress relief techniques. You're awesome, and you'll get what you want... just don't let anything get in your way. Stay strong, brother.
 
i advise discontinuation in a safe manor. Violent streaks make you high risk to your loved ones when using roids so resign before you badly bruise your wife or mother for eating the last banana.
 
I'm good that was just the first few days,I got that that shit under control pretty quick besides I've only got 11 days left on cycle till I pct and I've made some nice bodyfat loss and muscle gains
 
meditation helps also. Block aside about 20 minutes during your regular daily routine and stare at the wall and concentrate on your breathing. This will help with the 'just count to 10' method also you can use when you get pissed off.

Anger management. Its not saying anything poor about your personality or character or whatever. You're not used to the amount of testosterone (or whatever synthetic analogue you're using) floating through your veins. Its providing a real strong 'push' to being aggressive, and since thats not how you usually are, you are having difficulty coping with it (since you don't have practice being aggressive).

My theory at least. Just take this opportunity to not only get fuuuuuckin ripped lifting but also use it to delve into your own mind and take further control of your thought processes, etc.

good luck
 
also, what is novadex XT? Is that tamoxifen?

I would highly recommend having tamoxifen citrate (noLvadex) on hand in case any gyno pops up. At 18% BF you'll be at least prone to having 'psuedo-gyno'. In fact, it would probably make a much better PCT to run nolvadex for 4 weeks 40:30:20:10 along with aromasin for two weeks 25:25

but then again I'm not familiar with those drugs you're using, but I have to assume if they are causing anger issues that means they have the capability of shutting you down (hence the need for nolva to bring back up to natural levels).

take care
 
novadex xt is an aromatose inhibitor, I had to settle for that since all serms are prescription only and I'm stationed in Iraq for the time being so I did'nt wanna run the risk of getting some nolva or clomid shipped out here it getting stopped going through customs and end up losing pay, rank and getting dicked out of my free time.
 
I suppose so, an AI is doing some wonders for how I FEEL, but I reckon the nut size increase is due to the nolvadex (i'm in PCT right now).

An AI as far as I understand won't upregulate you to natural levels, but it will let you feel like you are at higher levels than you actually are, plus it frees up some test which can help to preserve lean mass.
 
well I'm on week 4 and I haven't noticed any testicular atrophy besides my nuts are massive like about the size of golf balls I would'nt mind a little shrinkage lol
 
The drugs you listed are simply 1-DHEA (1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one ) and 4-DHEA (1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one).

1-DHEA converts (two steps) to 1-testosterone (more anabolic than testosterone) whereas 4-DHEA converts to testosterone. An aromatase inhibitor is good, although some question the benefits in using an AI. If anything, the AI's will be testosterone boosters, which is ok post cycle. A SERM is certainly advisable...

Have much weight have you gained?
 
negrogesic said:
The drugs you listed are simply 1-DHEA (1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one ) and 4-DHEA (1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one).

1-DHEA converts (two steps) to 1-testosterone (more anabolic than testosterone) whereas 4-DHEA converts to testosterone. An aromatase inhibitor is good, although some question the benefits in using an AI. If anything, the AI's will be testosterone boosters, which is ok post cycle. A SERM is certainly advisable...

Have much weight have you gained?
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I've stayed the same weight while losing a significant amount of bodyfat and putting on noticeable amounts of lean muscle mass
 
I have used pro-hormone's several times (the legal one, which is the only legal one but, can go by many different names) I cycled it on for one month, then off for one month, I did noticed that I was more aggressive while on the pro-hormone but nothing like Roid rage. You don't have to use a pct with legal hormones but it is a good idea, I used Novadex XT which is a legal anti-aroma tease but it is marketed as a test booster it was by far the best legal pct I have found, I actually used it just by itself for 4 weeks and got surprising results, but I think it has been taken off the market because I have not been able to find it for about six months now. Novadex XT is not to be confused with nolvadex (tamoxifen) which is a prescription drug, so no they are not the same thing not even close, nolvadex is illegal without a prescription, but is a true anti-aroma tease so it works a little better than the over the counter Novadex XT. And I never noticed any testicular atrophy while using the (only) legal pro-hormone which is made by several different companies. It does work but it is nothing like a oral steroid such a Dianabol (D-bol) but it's the closest legal thing out right now. I would also recommend trying herbal supplements such as Tribulus which works quite well by increasing the luteinizing hormone which signals your testes to produce more testosterone naturally, just make sure that the tribulus has at least 45% saponins which is the active component in Tribulus. I also recommend a natural herbal supplement forskolin (coleus forskolin) which acts as a anti-aroma tease.
This is my current stack which is all legal and I have made great gains with it (all of the ingredients are in one of the supplements I take ) I would name it if I were allowed to but it's in health stores everywhere:
Tribulus (45% saponins)
Dehydroepiandrosterone/7-Ketodehydroepiandrosterone
HMB
Magnesium Chelate (taken at bed time)
Taurine
Zinc
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
NAC
Zinc
B-multivitamin
Panax Ginseng
Glutamine
Ashwagandha
This supplement I split the dose in half (half in the morning and half a few hours post workout)

For pre-work out I take the following (all in the same supplement)
Keto-L-Arginine
Beta Alanine
Creatine Monohydrate (not sure how much is in it but I would guess around 1000mg.
Caffeine (not sure how much is in each scoop but probably around 100mg which would be 300 mg total)
Grape seed extract

This is pre-work out mix is the best well rounded overall supplement I have been able to find so far.

I don't drink protein shakes because they cause me too much abdominal bloating, Instead I eat a half of a protein bar pre-work out and one bar post work out which also is a good source of calories (400) each bar.

For anti aroma tease I take Arimedex HD (250 MG at bed time) not to be confused with Arimedex which is prescription only.

I have used this same stack on and off probably about 6 times in the past 2 years and have made significant gains each time (and kept them) I usually use this stack when I hit a plateau and my gains slow to a crawl. All of the above mentioned ingredients I get from 3 seperate supp's which are inexpensive under $100 for all three supps which should last about a month depending how many days a week you lift (I lift 5 days per week) 2 days on 1 day off.

My current stats:
6ft tall
150lbs
BMI around 6 percent (I am very much a hard gainer with a ectomorphic body type)

One rep max for the following: (currently, I was quite a bit stronger last year but I lost a lot of strength and size because I had surgery to remove my Gallbladder a few months back)

Bench 245lbs
Squat 260lbs(full squat all the way down)
Deadlift 220lbs

Best lifting advice I could say is pyramid your sets and DON'T sacrifice form for weight you will get better results in the long run and lower your risk for injury and remember to lift until failure on your last set for each muscle group

As far as the anger and aggressiveness you can try kava kava which is a natural plant root extract that has a calming effect and has worked well for me just make sure it's high quality kava with a high kalvactones percentage per dose. It can he liver toxic in high doses so if you are going to take it more than three times a day I recommend taking Milk Thistle as well to help keep your liver clean.

well that it from me hope it helps......
 
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The Real Fatman said:
well I did read the rules so my stats:
22 y/o
220 LB
18% body fat
no prior aas exp.

well its my first time using, not real steroids but anobolic prohormones.

500mg 1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 2 weeks, 400mg 2weeks, 300mg 2weeks
1000mg 4-androstene-3b-ol,17-one 2 weeks, 800mg 2 weeks, 600mg 2weeks

its only my second day and I've been getting mad at shit that normally doesn't bother me, but it would bother most as normally I'm passive too a fault and let absolutely nothing get to me but I damn near got into 2 fights at work today it might've been the heat and homesickness that comes with being in iraq but normally assholes talkin shit and NCOs making us do retarded shit doesn't even phase me, I've been beastin it in the gym though no fatigue like I usually get and total focus on my goal to get big and slim.

as for pct my cycles 6 weeks so I was going to use AROM-X (3b-hydroxy-urs-12-28-oic acid 200mg, 1,4,6 etioallocholan-dione 25mg. milk thistle.) novedex xt, (6,17-ket-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol.
3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene
3',5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone)

I did a good bit of research and understand that I should include nolva and/or clomix but I'm in Iraq I'm not gonna risk trying to get something thats prescription only shipped to a military instillation in a combat zone. so I decided on what looked like the next best things.
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No need for prescription Nolvadex or Clomid your are taking a legal pro-hormone not a anabolic steroid so over the counter pct should work just fine.
 
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