Anger at move to stop drug users having children

fastandbulbous said:
For fuck's sake, it's the thin end of the wedge; next it'll be smokers & fat people being punished for having kids. The logical extreme of that sort of thinking is to have a 'breeding elite' - none of us ugly fuckers allowed to breed.
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exactly.. as soon as the State gets involved in determining who can or cannot reproduce, you open the possibility that anyone could be prevented from reproducing. Why not limit reproductive rights only to those who are genetically perfect? History of disease in your family? Sorry you might pass it on to the child, no baby license for you.
 
just as people need to get a license to drive a car, people should also be required to get a license to breed...

...this is not a bad proposition at all...except that it will further alienate people from getting treatment...
 
staypuft said:
just as people need to get a license to drive a car, people should also be required to get a license to breed...
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Thats pretty nuts. It sounds like something out of a george orwell novel.

The right to breed is exactly that its a right. The government should stay out of the bedrooms of its citizens. If they try to put in laws such as this it will leed us down a very slippery slope.
 
This just makes me sad. We as users are already spat upon and looked down by a majority of society and now this. Seriously now they dont even want us having children.... I pray that in decades to come the opression, the hate, and the misunderstanding will end. We may choose to live our lives differently and indulge in things society may not accept but we are people to and we have the same emotions everyone else does, sober or not.
 
what about all the people who need coffee to get through the day? Tea? What about nicotene addicts? Tobacco is a leading cause for SIDS you know.
 
a person who is a balls to the wall heroin addict is most likely less fit to be a parent than your average citizen, but if someone is abusive or negligent then there are already laws in place to deal with their child custody. the simple fact that they are a user is not a good enough reason to traumatize a child by taking them away from their parents, in my opinion.

talk about a slippery slope....
 
I think we that need to concentrate on getting kids out of the hands of ALL unfit parents, rather than making the assumption that somebody must be a bad parent because of <insert issue here>. Wasn't there a program for awhile in the US where they were offering crack addicts money to get temporarily sterilized? Then the ACLU, NAACP, et al came in and said it was racist? Does anybody know if that's still going on?
 
NameTaken said:
We need to re-introduce velociraptors to the ecosystem. Cull the slow and weak ones, and keep natural selection going strong. I mean I not supporting HItler's ideas, but down the line were all gonna end up nearsighted, asthmatic, fat, and with tons of other genetics imperfections.

Were all gonna die.

Fuck, my post turned into one of those "the human race is doomed anyways" ones again.

There should be a test required to have children. Intelligence, genetic traits, ability to care for a child, tolerence, enough money to support a family, etc.

I mean YOU have the freedom to have children, but were having too many, and what about the kids born into families that can't take care of them? Whether its the rich parents who are never home, or the poor parents who can't nourish the children, or the dumb ones who smoke while pregnant, or the abusive ones, Some people should not have kids.

I agree govenment should'nt intervene, but if people are too evil or stupid to make a concoius descision to not have kids because they cannot care for them, someones gotta.
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you make sense up to the point where u say a test should be required to have kids. the kids are the test, and if they live long enough to make more kids, then the parents passed the test. natures way ahead of ya there :D
 
If all drugs were legal, that itself would be a form of population control, all the jackasses that would snort 10 gram lines of coke and shoot 1 gram speedballs would die within the first week, and a steady flow of other people who die for various reasons would die as well. The question of whether a person can be a fit parent or not has nothing to do with the drugs they use, it has to do with their priorities, and it isn't too hard to tell that many drug users first priority is drugs, this is not however everyone.
 
If it were across the board i.e. not limited to drug abusers then fair play.
 
Yeah: how dare they try to prevent some 16 year old jackass from reproducing--several times before s/he is even 20--!!! "Un-acceptable", I say...

I guess none of you live in big cities in which you routinely take the trains--you've never seen one young (Black, at the stations I had to use) chick after another with 1-3 small kids--filthy (all of them...): and these parents--on or off drugs--have NOTHING (good, anyway) to offer their genetic productions: no education, no money, no culture, no health program, no goddamn sense whatsoever...

No: "can't judge": let them all produce as many kids as they want--no need to consider how motherfucking MISERABLE their off-spring will be...and, consequently, those whom they will punish, directly or indirectly, for having grown up poor, un-educated, abused/neglected...

Yes: Let's all rely on gods and prayers: no need to intervene in any meaningful way in the "inter-course" of humans...

Oh: and the fathers of these disasters: no-where in sight!--at least, not in sight of the present off-spring. No: they're working on the next batch with some other ignorant co-pro-creator.

Sweet.

Remember: "Can't judge anyone, no matter what; can't intervene"...
 
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This is a basic human right issue, I can't comprhend how a western country would even consider such idea...8(
 
No one should have the "right" to fuck ir-responsibly.

The resulting offspring of The Irresponsible have no "human rights": no "right" to responsible, attentive, educated, nurturing parents.

The only "right" that many such offspring have is the "right"--and Destiny--to be Abused, Neglected...

No "rights" for the senseless--whoever they happen to be: addicts, non-addicts, etc...

I acknowledge their foolish mistake of single-ing out only drug addicts, but let's not deceive ourselves: in too many cases, while Mommy is drooling and nodding away on the couch, and Daddy is out ripping someone off, Babies are crying on some floor...in their own filth.

But, hey: "human rights--can't judge, can't inter-vene"...
 
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Crazeee said:
This is a basic human right issue, I can't comprhend how a western country would even consider such idea...8(
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No, it is a responsibility issue. Some people are too fucking stupid and irresponsible to make proper decisions, and their children pay for that. What about the childrens rights? Fuck the drug addicts. The government who PAYS for these kids has a right and an obligation to make these idiots come to their senses.

I have had to deal with this personally for years now. A cousin who is addicted to heroin, and anything else she can get her hands on. She is on child number 3. My parents have one of the babies, another set of grandparents have another, and my parents are getting ready to take this newest one, because, of course, she is fucking up again. I drove 500 miles one night when i found out she was pregnant with number two to pick her up and try to help her. She didn't like living with me, so left. went to my parents, couldn't handle the rules there either and left. left her child there. The call of drugs was much more enticing than her precious child. She only permanently gave up her right to both kids recently, bc the system had gone after her for back child support. know why she had another?? because she started getting a check again.

Some of you people on this site care so damn much about your addictions and the lack of respect you get, to the point that you don't want the government to try to do something to stop these people from having children when they shouldn't??

sickening, seriously sickening.

I was an addict for a year and a half, not heroin, which i know is a hard kick, but i was doing meth daily, among a plethora of anythign else i could get my hands on. I immediately stopped everything when I found out I was pregnant, and expect nothing less of anyone else.

It isnt' like they are sterilising these people. Which they SHOULD if they repeatedly have kids they can't take care of. This is a step, a step to help in some way. Maybe there are better options, but this is better than nothing.

end rant.
 
You are totally going overboard. You really are doing a disservice to the harm reduction intent of this community to compare heroin addicts to smokers.

but alcoholism....I am a bit of a lush, but still an excellent mother, it is still apples and oranges. But yes, should an alcoholic who can't stay sober ever, and loses control on a regular basis be a parent? Not at all, and if a child isn't taken care of, no matter what the reason why, someone should step in and give these people some tough love. Straighten up, and take care ofyourself, so you can take care of your children.
 
^ If you believe in the in the 'pleasure centre' hypothesis of addiction then they are one and the same in a physiologic nature. Granted the social consequences and increased physiological/mental deterioration is in a different league.

There should be, and are where I live, agencies that will go in and forcibly remove kids from this type of a situation if necessary. The parenting skills should be the test. I gather from your post that you condider yourself a 'functioning alcoholic'. That would imply that you are , in fact, an addict and therefore this would apply to you (theotetically)and almost certainly for your children. Is that something you really want? Think about the implications.
 
And think about what I said already. These people who are so addicted have resorted to asking for help from the government, because they can't do it themselves. They have gone beyond their own abilities to take care of themself, I haven't. And yes, while I am a "functioning alcoholic" it doesn't interfere with my life, and my ability to take care of my children. If I got to the point where I was asking for assistance from the government to supply me with a drug to stop my cravings, and worried about my ability to control myself...then I would reconsider the best position of my children. whether they should be in my care or not.

It doesn't matter if it is heroin or alcohol, if you can't take care of your self, you shouldn't have children. It is a simple matter of responsibility. It takes a village, and the village in this situation is trying to assist in the best way they can.

I do understand that there are many addicts who are truly trying, and will not relapse....but those who want the best for themselves and their family will have no problem agreeing to the terms of this either.

No reasonable person would have a child in the midst of a hardcore addiction.
 
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